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Pardon of Joe Arpaio

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WP:Soapbox attack-like article with speculation and innuendo. The pardon was already mentioned in Presidency of Donald Trump and there's a long, detailed section in Joe Arpaio#Trump Presidential pardon with 88 mentions of the word "pardon" in that article. UNDUE is putting it mildly. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• This is 90%+ copied from that long detailed section in Joe Arpaio..so I highly doubt it is an attack-like article. I was hoping to do a WP:SPINOFF and make that section in Joe Arpaio much shorter, as it is undue and a lot of it is irrelevant for the article on Joe Arpaio. Galobtter (talk) 18:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

90% copied makes it a copyvio which should be speedy deleted because of the multiple authors involved who are not credited in this article. Aside from that, it's nothing more than a "newsy" event, Galobtter. It holds little encyclopedic value beyond POV in what appears' to be a soapbox attempt to either justify the pardon, or condemn it. It was a pardon, period the end. Everything surrounding why is speculation, and even though it was covered by MSM, it doesn't warrant as much coverage as it has already received in the article, nevermind a stand alone. Not everything that is covered in the news belongs in WP. I think this article is clearly one of those instances but I'm only one voice, so let's let consensus decide, ok? ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 18:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 18:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion is not applicable for not giving credit or for this kind of copying. Will be adding the proper credit to the talk page. Please read WP:NPOV again. I point to the first sentence: all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. If there are significant views that the pardon was xyz we include that. Also considering this was taken straight from the Joe Arpaio article, I assume this has already been atleast somewhat hashed out there. Galobtter (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• Just linking to Talk:Joe_Arpaio#Pardon section where I explain why I think a WP:SPINOFF is justified. Galobtter (talk) 18:58, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

^{Which also includes arguments for why it isn't.😁 Atsme📞📧 19:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)}

• Regarding the "only news media" nature of the event - here's an article in a journal that has some analysis on the pardon and its ramifications and how it crosses a line. The article already has a lot of legal analysis and what not that cannot really fit and would be (and is) mostly irrelevant for the Joe Arpaio article. Galobtter (talk) 19:22, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Vehement Oppose. "Aside from that, it's nothing more than a "newsy" event,"- This comment reveals nothing about the world but your own ignorance of it. Many of America's most respected legal scholars have stated that the Arpaio pardon provokes major constitutional questions due to 1) the pardoning of a close Trump associate and supporter; 2) the unprecedented pardon prior to sentencing, without expression of remorse or partial service of the sentence; 3) due to the fact that Arpaio's crimes were themselves in violation of the constitution. I could cite for you literally well over 1,000 articles written by legal academics on this issue, which is far from over- there will be legal battles over this pardon for years. If you'd like to insert your foot deeper into your mouth, please be my guest though. Infamia (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)