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Did you know ...

... that Friedrich Spee wrote the lyrics of the Christmas carol "Zu Bethlehem geboren" to a popular French tune with a frivolous text?

... that while the Three Kings bring gold, incense and myrrh to the manger, the singer of "Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier" offers spirit and mind, heart, soul and courage as gifts? (6 January)

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Thank you

Thank you for the positive comments at the AI thread. Hard spot for anyone to speak up when a gang of editors are attacking someone....thanks. All my fault I took the bait. I really don't see a point in commenting anymore as they don't seem to care about accessibility dispite studies and reader after reader saying something. I will still have fun watching these guys scrabble all the time this comes up. It's to bad and funny because most of them are great editors. I spoke up about every 3 months or so...but think things are personal between me and Cass now..thus think it's best to let others deal with his odd inflamitory attitude. --Moxy (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, - I just stopped commenting, it's a waste of time. I add infoboxes, and when they are reverted, I add a new one, - for the readers. 2017 is the year of reformation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 is the year of serving with joy, - the same still applies. I'd advise everybody to stay as far away from the infoboxes topic as they can. There are so many other good things you can do here with the limited time we are given in life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cantata query

Hi Gerda, are you up for a Cantata Query please? It has ****-all to do with Wikipedia really so I would email you if it's OK. Bribery terms highly negotiable! Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

go ahead --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Emailed you just now. Sorry in advance ... Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit, BWV 106? Can't be said too often. Happy 2018! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh good grief, how beautiful and how deliciously weird too! The boss is out walking doggies right now but I have downloaded the Suziki Vol. 2 (I love the Cantata article structures!) and I'm going to play it to her as soon as she is back. Just from her description, I think you have nailed it - you amazing knowledge repository you! Thank you so much and Happy New Year to you too. I'll get back to you when she's heard it (watch this space) but I think I know the outcome ... with all good wishes DBaK (talk) 13:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely nailed it, thanks: you star. We are now listening to Suziki and JEG. So great - many many thanks DBaK (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Magnificat and Nunc dimittis (Gloucester)

On 1 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Magnificat and Nunc dimittis (Gloucester), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Herbert Howells composed the Magnificat and Nunc dimittis for Gloucester Cathedral after having organ lessons there with Herbert Brewer as a boy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Magnificat and Nunc dimittis (Gloucester). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Magnificat and Nunc dimittis (Gloucester)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier

On 6 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that while the Three Kings bring gold, incense and myrrh to the manger, the singer of "Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier" offers spirit and mind, heart, soul and courage as gifts? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Music

Hello Gerda. I’ve just read today’s featured article, Der Psalm 100, and saw you had something to do with it. For that effort I thank you. I would also like to ask if you are a musician. My mother taught me to play piano when I was a child - she played piano for the small Southern Baptist chapel she grew up in in a small town in the Southern US. I hadn’t touched a (musical) keyboard for nearly 25 years (except upon visits to my mother) until this Christmas when my wife surprised me with an electronic piano as a gift. I have greatly enjoyed relearning the true wonder of music these past few days. I was so incredibly surprised that I still remembered the notes to Minuet WoO 10, No. 2 (Beethoven)! Today I am thankful to be able to appreciate music and have a desire to learn more about it. Mr Ernie (talk) 03:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, Mr Ernie! I almost cried when you mentioned your mother because today is the birthday of my mother, and the day was chosen because this is so, DYK? In loving memory I recall that she had sung all the time I can remember, and I got a piano - something she would have loved to learn but her family couldn't afford it - when I was ten. Professionally, I did something else, but the love of music stayed (I have an infobox on my user page), and yes, this past Christmas was especially musical, - happy 2018! The psalm by Reger (celebrated in 2016) is a giant work, and carries what I stand for: rejoice, serve, serve with joy, reflect, come together to dance and give thanks. There's a YouTube link if you want to listen to us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for St. Nicolai, Lüneburg

On 10 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article St. Nicolai, Lüneburg, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that St. Nicolai, Lüneburg, a brick Gothic church with a "star" rib vault (pictured), was the location of the first Lutheran sermon in Lüneburg? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St. Nicolai, Lüneburg. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, St. Nicolai, Lüneburg), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Heinz Wunderlich

On 11 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Heinz Wunderlich, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the organ virtuoso and teacher Heinz Wunderlich held a Hamburg post that Bach had once wanted? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Heinz Wunderlich. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Heinz Wunderlich), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Singers

Well, to be fair, I've also known a few singers who weren't musicians, so... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cristina Pasaroiu

On 13 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cristina Pasaroiu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Cristina Pasaroiu played Manon in boots, even in bed with her lover? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cristina Pasaroiu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cristina Pasaroiu), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Diethard Zils

Servus Gerda, ich habe in der deutschen Wikipedia die Werkangaben bei Diethard Zils ergänzt, für den Fall, dass du sie hier auch ergänzen möchtest. LG und Gutes für 2018 --Ἀστερίσκος (talk) 10:24, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Danke, später vielleicht, bin im Urlaub. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...gute Recreation! LG--Ἀστερίσκος (talk) 16:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Propsteikirche, Dortmund

On 15 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Propsteikirche, Dortmund, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the high altar in the Propsteikirche, created by Derick Baegert, includes the oldest depiction of Dortmund on its left panel (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Propsteikirche, Dortmund. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Propsteikirche, Dortmund), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda

Just a message that on 30 December–11 January I was in Addenbrookes Hospital with a stroke. I was lucky that I mostly recovered my vocabulary; and I was also fortunate that on 12 January I was able to play BWV 653, "By the waters of Babylon I sat and wept", on manuals and pedal (our 1708 baroque organ). Perhaps I might play one of the Reger 52 "easy" chorale preludes on that organ as a tribute. Regards, Mathsci (talk) 09:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shocked and relieved! Makes us remember what's important. I pay tribute to my parents, above, did you see? I wanted the image on 1 January, but today is even better. I grew up in Dortmund, Aplerbeck, to be precise. Article will grow, I'm on vacation. - All the best for your health. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mass, Op. 130

On 15 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mass, Op. 130, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that, although Joseph Jongen conducted the first performance of Mass, Op. 130 at Liège Cathedral in 1946, it was not published until 1990? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mass, Op. 130. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mass, Op. 130), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:03, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Diego Fasolis

On 16 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Diego Fasolis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Diego Fasolis conducted L'incoronazione di Poppea at the reopened Staatsoper Unter den Linden, adding music by other composers of Monteverdi's time? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Diego Fasolis. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Diego Fasolis), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mark Milhofer

On 18 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mark Milhofer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the English tenor Mark Milhofer appeared as Mozart's Ferrando in Beijing and Moscow, and as Poppea's nurse in Berlin, dressed as a parody of Riff Raff? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Milhofer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mark Milhofer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 03:47, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Christmas Lullaby

On 18 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Christmas Lullaby, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that John Rutter wrote the lyrics for his choral composition Christmas Lullaby, with each verse including the refrain "Ave Maria"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Christmas Lullaby. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Christmas Lullaby), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 15:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Lorenzo Viotti

On 19 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lorenzo Viotti, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lorenzo Viotti conducted Massenet's Werther in three productions in opera houses of three countries in 2017, silently singing with the soloists? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lorenzo Viotti. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lorenzo Viotti), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 has been scheduled as today's featured article for 2 February 2018. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 2, 2018. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, will check! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"In the third movement, Bach set the librettist's text differently than the interspersed hymn quotations, but unites both all with a continuous "motif of joy" in the accompaniment." Could you rephrase? I don't know what that means. - Dank (push to talk) 21:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that's your job ;) - Long version: Bach sets the elements recitative and chorale differently, rendering the librettist's text in "rhythmically free diction of recitative",[24] and the chorale as arioso. He unifies the movement by a continuous motif in the strings, called "Freudenmotiv" by Dürr, which "always indicates an underlying mood of happiness". - Explanation: the text combines the librettist's words and quotations from Luther's hymn, not one after the other, but switching several times. See here, librettist's normal, hymn bold. Bach set the librettist's words as recitative, but Luther's as arioso, with the accompaniment the same throughout for both: a motif that stands for joy (Freude). Please try, - this is an outstanding movement (both text and music are unusual), so should be mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like your version, but ... the motif is repeated over and over, and Freudenmotiv is a symbol of joy rather than plain and obvious "joyful". But I guess it works for a casual reader. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"We are not amused"

Your comment turned out to be far more prescient than I think either of us could have imagined! I hope you're keeping up with events. I know you said you're on holiday but if you take a sideways look at all the drama it's hilarious in a Kafkaesque sort of way. (Sorry, I know that word is grossly overused but you get the idea.) nagualdesign 02:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For me, amusement is a kind of joy, see just above, call it a deliberate joy perhaps. I translate the title as "in peace and joy I let go" and try to live by it, could also say "without [the time waste of] discussion, but amused I go away". Sing a new song! Rejoice, serve! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I've woken up rather less amused than when I went to bed. Even when the bad guy ends up in the clink I can't help wondering if he's going to be alright in there. I feel responsible. That's a positive thing though, right? Better than not giving a f**k, that's for sure. Ah well. nagualdesign 13:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You came past my edit notice "Every editor is a human being." - no? I tell it myself, again, again, again, again ... - A friend died 2 years ago, - all the rest is of minor importance, kafkaesque at best. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As the day went on I began feeling better. I remembered The Place of No Pity. nagualdesign 21:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good, no self-pity ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ilona Durigo

I have done a quick translation, but I was not sure of the meaning of Kopfregister and had to guess at repertoire, you may need to correct that. I have left the original in the footnote for reference. Moonraker (talk) 10:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not repertoire, but a vocal technique thing, resonance in the head (Kopfstimme = head voice), rather than chest/breast (Bruststimme = chest voice). Thanks for undertaking that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I thought it was something I didn't understand. I'll leave it for you to correct. Moonraker (talk) 10:52, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let's look at it:

Frau Durigo sang these and all other songs (with those added there were nineteen) ... with the deepest perception.(?1) Her own experience of the songs(?2) expressed itself (?3) not only in the musical differences of enunciation (the tones of her repertoire, so wonderfully fine, so poetry-transfigured, were never heard before from any singer),(?4) but also in the sparkle of her eyes, the true mirror of the soul,(?5) as it came and went. And that her interpretation throughout captured the perceptions of the composer, showed the perfect harmony between her splendid singing and the exceptionally(?6) beautiful piano playing of Schoeck.(?7)

Frau Durigo sang diese und alle anderen Lieder (mit der Zugabe waren es 19) ... mit tiefster Empfindung. Ihr eigenes Erleben dieser Lieder äusserte sich nicht allein in den musikalischen Vortragsdifferenzierungen (so wunderzart, poesieverklärte Töne, wie die ihres Kopfregisters, hörte man vorher von keiner Sängerin), sondern auch im zu- und abnehmenden Glanz ihrer Augen, dieses wahren Seelenspiegels. Und dass ihre Interpretation durchwegs das vom Komponisten Empfundene zutreffend erfasste, bewies die vollkommene Harmonie ihres herrlichen Gesanges mit Schoecks eigenartig schönem Klavierspiel."

Is "perception" (Wahrnehmung) really "Empfindung"? as in Empfindsamkeit? I'd roughly think "feeling", "sensitivity", "open for the sentiment". In other words: you can perceive without a soul, but not "empfinden" without one.
"Erleben" should be experience of what is going on in the song, rather then repertoire. She lives what she sings.
"äusserte sich" means simply "showed", - now put that in idiomatic, - I don't think you can personalize "experience" (or whatever better word you find) as some "it" that has an expression.
the whole phrase in brackets needs rewording, after adding "head voice", - "so wunderzart" is explained/illustrated by all the details that follow, therefore should be at the beginning.
"... of her soul", no?
"eigenartig" means "one of a kind" or "unique", - today almost always used in a negative way, but not then.
The whole sentence should be the other way round: the harmony between her and the pianist/composer showed that she had the right sensitivity for his songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Flowery language

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		For your excellent suggestion to use flowers for arbitration case names [1] Thryduulf (talk) 01:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Zu Bethlehem geboren

On 21 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zu Bethlehem geboren, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Friedrich Spee wrote the lyrics of the Christmas carol "Zu Bethlehem geboren" to a popular French tune with a frivolous text? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zu Bethlehem geboren. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Zu Bethlehem geboren), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:16, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear...

In response to your comment: "Alex, do you really not see the irony? - See thread just above. Amused." -- Clearly, Gerda, you are suffering from a touch of selective reading. Gnome points out in his post that comments can be removed if they are "...harmful posts, including personal attacks, [and] trolling...". His comment on the Shelley talk page has nothing to do with the subject in hand and is a response to a now 8-day old comment. It is designed to belittle and patronise the people on the other side of the argument and that does not make for constructive editing. I would consider that to be "trolling" and "harmful" to the project as it is taking other editors away from improving the project to comment on this. No response required and your welcome to revert. Cassianto^Talk 10:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm simply warning the neophyte of the dangers inherent in the toxic environment created by the childish and amateurish anti-infobox fanaticism. (Sample case in point, here. Lots more around but I can't be bothered.) I happen to find your comments in almost every thread and your general behavior extremely antagonistic, the opposite of constructive, and uncivil. In all my years in Wikipedia (about ten, so far), yours amounts to the worst violation of the code of civility by established editors I've come across. If you perchance find this "insulting," I'm sorry but that is not the intention. And you know what's sad? I checked up on some of your contributions and, if I may say so, in all humility, you still can be an otherwise quite valuable contributor to the project. Alas, you seem to have a temper shorter than Lady Gaga's hotpants! Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about the childish and amateurish infobox fanaticism? We see this on a daily basis - and yet nothing is said? Why do you assume that those who dare to have a differing opinion to you are "childish and amateurish"? With regards to my "civility"? Well, I'm not here to make friends; I'm here to write, and if people piss me off along the way, without good cause, then I'll tell them, as I would in a real life situation. I'm afraid I don't pander to the Snowflake generation. I have always maintained that I would never say something to someone on here that I wouldn't have the balls to say in real life. And I think I've been pretty consistent with that. I abhor ageism, sexism, racism, homophobia, and the mocking of people with mental health issues. So to say that I'm by far the worst offender, is entirely inaccurate, I assure you, as I've seen it and have been the recipient of it on more than one occasion. For someone whose supposedly been here ten years, I'd suggest that you've led a pretty sheltered life around here if you consider my comments to be the worst. Cassianto^Talk 17:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I concede that I do not see nor watch everything. :-) But this is the honest truth as far as I'm concerned: I both find your contributions to articles valuable and your behavior towards editors with whom your disagree extremely uncivil. Of course, you'd see this very differently. You state that you are "not here to make friends" but being civil is not the same as seeking friendships; the insinuation about physical confrontation does not help either (i.e. "I would never say something to someone on here that I wouldn't have the balls to say in real life"). That's great, neither have I ever. But this is not because I'd be scared or be afraid of getting my ass kicked, or something. Anyway, what can I say - ever since I fell upon it (some weeks of months ago), I found the whole "infobox brouhaha" something strictly for the funny pages. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cassianto (and this is in response to your first message, edit conflict, but it's probably good for the other as well): I have a clear and simple policy about infoboxes on top of this page, summary: stay away from the topic as far as you can. There are people writing about them who don't understand the basics of our article, and it's tiresome to repeat the same things, for example "not necessary" (yes, of course not, nothing we do here is necessary), "redundant" (yes, of course, designed to repeat), and so on. Happy editing! It will be happier for everybody if the phrases "toxic", "insane" and "obsessed" are avoided. Remember? (2014) - I'd know a few more terms I really hate (and then being amused is more positive than despair), but let's try just those for a start. Alex, that means you as well. I wish you well with your attempt to improve the atmosphere. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The trouble is, Gerda, you don't stay away from infoboxes, do you? You add them more frequently than they are taken away. And when they are taken away, you make a note of them on your user page. You "thank" people who add them and snipe at those who disagree with you. You are as bad as Gnome, Jcc, and the rest of them, only you are passive aggressive about it. Cassianto^Talk 19:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::I concede that I do not see nor watch everything. :-) But this is the honest truth as far as I'm concerned: I ''both'' find your contributions to articles valuable ''and'' your behavior towards editors with whom your disagree extremely uncivil. Of course, you'd see this very differently. You state that you are "not here to make friends" but being civil is not the same as seeking friendships; the insinuation about physical confrontation does not help either (i.e. "I would never say something to someone on here that I wouldn't have the balls to say in real life"). That's great, neither have I ever. But this is not because I'd be scared or be afraid of getting my ass kicked, or something. Anyway, what can I say - ever since I fell upon it (some weeks of months ago), I found the whole "infobox brouhaha" something strictly for the funny pages. Take care. -[[User:The Gnome|The Gnome]] ([[User talk:The Gnome|talk]]) 17:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 : Cassianto (and this is in response to your first message, edit conflict, but it's probably good for the other as well): I have a clear and simple policy about infoboxes on top of this page, summary: stay away from the topic as far as you can. There are people writing about them who don't understand [[infobox|the basics of our article]], and it's tiresome to repeat the same things, for example "not necessary" (yes, of course not, nothing we do here is necessary), "redundant" (yes, of course, designed to repeat), and so on. Happy editing! It will be happier for everybody if the phrases "toxic", "insane" and "obsessed" are avoided. [[User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 170#DYK about early learning|Remember]]? (2014) - I'd know a few more terms I really hate (and then being amused is more positive than despair), but let's try just those for a start. [[User:Alex Shih|Alex]], that {{diff|User talk:Alex Shih|821170011|821140028|means you as well}}. I wish you well with your attempt to improve the atmosphere. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt#top|talk]]) 17:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
+::The trouble is, Gerda, you don't stay away from infoboxes, do you? You add them more frequently than they are taken away.  And when they are taken away, you make a note of them on your user page. You "thank" people who add them and snipe at those who disagree with you. You are as bad as Gnome, Jcc, and the rest of them, only you are passive aggressive about it. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Cassianto#top|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span>]]</sup></span>''' 19:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)