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{{u|Punetor i Rregullt5}} Other have edited articles that I made, even if without my consent, and I don't always mind, unless it's something important. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard#top|talk]]) 08:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
{{u|Punetor i Rregullt5}} Other have edited articles that I made, even if without my consent, and I don't always mind, unless it's something important. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard#top|talk]]) 08:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


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We writes Wikipedia to give the people references about what we are talking about. The differences between tigers and lions continually interested the public, especially which would win in a fight. It's not to be a pro-lion if there is no evidence that it is the tiger that wins most of the time but that there is evidence that it's the lion who wins most of the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoleo7495 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Who said that a lack of WP:Neutrality would make things easier for the lion? Leo1pard (talk) 05:44, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]


According to you Clyde Beatty was Biased towards the lions, Clyde Beatty was bias?

Every tiger fans like you don't like Clyde Beatty, because he proved inadvertently that the lion kills the tiger 9 times out of 10. They don't like him because he favors the lion, they don't like him because he's right. He only favored the lion after he had definitive proof which would win in 1 on 1 before and after the Big Cage in 1933 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/76673362.

Those experts you mentioned who favors the tiger like John Varty, Big Cats Rescue of Tampa, National geographic, and John Smith Clarke the tamer, cannot even produce one footage on the tiger beating a lion like Clyde Beatty did with The Big Cage in 1933; they can only produce subjective comments to up their lies and their favorite animal. (i didn't finished i will come soon)(leoleo7495) leoleo749513:13, 16 March 2018

Nonsense, who said that I said that Clyde Beatty was 'biased' towards lions? I kept a reference to him in Tiger versus lion, albeit with a change. Leo1pard (talk) 17:14, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense?? if you consider Clyde Beatty as a non biased towards lions why you didn't write the entire wikipedia Tiger versus lion with his books in which he describes most of the fight between the lions and the tigers he has seen during is whole career as a tamer ??? you should write this wikipedia Tiger versus lion with Clyde Beatty's references from his books because he gives more details in describing how the two big cats are during the fighting, and he's right when he proved inadvertently that the lion kills the tiger 9 times out of 10 https://www.quora.com/Of-the-two-feline-cats-which-is-more-powerful-Bengal-Tiger-or-African-Lion.

If you are agree with Clyde Beatty you should mention definitely that the lion wins most of the time and the tiger can win but it's uncommon because the tiger is not designed for fighting but for hunting because internet users when they read Tiger vs lion it's because the differences between lions and tigers continually fascinated and interested the public and particularly they want to know in this page of Wikipedia who would win in a fight.

And you should confirmed why the lions wins most of the times with the references from Clyde Beatty's books because he based his opinions upon the experience. And you should explain with unbiased references why the lions are superior in fighting than the tiger with the unbiased references from the entire team of tiger territory a site that has 200 pages of studying information dedicated to the tiger has a confirmation that lions are superior to the tiger in fighting because lions are designed for fighting and that why they are superior to the tigers in fighting, and the tiger are superior to the lions in hunting because they're designed for hunting like it's mentioned in the link below according to most of the experts http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict7.html


And i would like to tell that most of the people who favor the lion over the tiger are at first tamers and secondly zookeepers; and you didn't mention them in the Wikipedia Tiger versus lion; So i will give to you the list of the tamers and zookeepers who favor the lion over the tiger and you should mention them in the wikipedia Tiger vs lion:

Beatty Cole a Trainer, Lee Yong Phil a Zookeeper in Everland Zoo, Carol Soo Hoo a Zookeeper in San-Francisco Zoo, Dave Hoover a trainer, Burt Nelson a trainer, Sir Samuel Baker, Marco Peters a trainer, Louis Roth a trainer, Alfred Court a trainer(all of them are cited in this link if you watch below this link)https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/lmion-s-vs-tiger-s-who-is-the-superior-fighter-in-t-t3351.html, Dave Salmoni in Youtube video favor the lions (even most of the video in Youtube favour the lions you should also mention that in Tiger vs lion article),Terrel Jacobs a trainer according to him a lion rip a tiger https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19391108&id=ReFPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xxVQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2949,6681702&hl=en, Giuliano Russini a Biologist Zoologist explains that the tiger is inferior to the lion in muscle mass and in fight http://www.photomazza.com/panthera-tigris?lang=enleoleo7495 leoleo7495

What Clyde Beatty said is briefly mentioned here, as with what others said, which is why I said 'nonsense' when you said "According to you Clyde Beatty was Biased towards the lions ... Every tiger fans like you don't like Clyde Beatty," though I could add what others said. Leo1pard (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Links to YouTube videos could exist in the article, but due to issues like the possibility of tampering, they might not be always used to write down information as if they are trustworthy. Leo1pard (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All claims needed to be supported by facts otherwise it is irrelevant. The best way to make a judgment is to see them in action.

Lion vs Tiger historical battles in Youtube:

1-Black and white film tiger vs lion fight. Tiger loose retreats running after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRLYzRvYkE

2- A white lion run after a tiger and defeat another tiger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtOVnkPars

3-Jungle Jim a black and white movie, lion winner run after tiger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSWIzhS_Rw (I will come soon i didn't finish this list of videos)

4- The Lost Jungle 1934 part 3 black and white film. lion male is winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbrrzJLURVI

5-Victorious old male lion against two younger adult male withe tigers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRcmeaL1pFw

6-1929 black and white film Gir Forest lion kill tiger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJhd4F6YO90

7-Two cases of single lion male killing 3 tigers, one lioness defeating two male tigers and cases extraordinary powerful male lions in circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DJzRSuXA0

8-Single male lion enter a group of 7 tiger or more and made them all retreats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csd_sxQ4wzw

9-Three whites tigers males run away from one lion male

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcYXLR_QyGE

-10 A Asiatic lion attack a Siberian tiger and after a short fight the Siberian tiger submits front of the Asiatic lion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8irc0codB8

-11 One small asiatic lion beat up and chase away 7 white tigers and defeated the dominant white tiger male

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbeRD8YuIM

-12 Submissives tigers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njh7UoJCdAM

-13 Asiatic lion chasing a bengal tiger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao5FMNjgPLQ

-14 African lion beat Bengal tiger male - in Everland zoo fight-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzB8XMZgAGw

-15African lion kill a Bengal tiger male in a circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGvmr6N45-g

16- in this following clips Asiatic lion and lioness beat tiger Bengal tiger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEqdCpqQ4sY

17-The zookeepers have said the male lion is the most dominant of the two cats, this is most evident at feeding times...in this video below lion male control the food tiger force to back up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedrGq2DUQk

18-In an another zoo in the same enclosure the male lion impose his law to the tiger and steal the tiger's food, tiger flee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRQWPRVDsY

19-Asiatic lion dominating two tigers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTdmZV7wS6Q

20-Siberian tiger run away from Asiatic lion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ_ns7BnNoQ

-21Siberian tiger submitting to a Asiatic lion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0GENwhoMJ4

-22 Lion chases and owner thetiger which run from lion for his life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJyP-3E6y0

-23Lion, lioness, and tiger in the same enclosure. Male lion warn tiger not come close lioness and tiger obey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1D-fJEWYOM

-24 Tiger are submissive part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njh7UoJCdAM

-25 Submissive lions is a joke, tiger are really submissive next to the lion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHYoQVcw1gU

-26 Female lion dominates white male bengal tiger. The lioness had the best over the white tiger and the jeep separated two cats. I say a times it's better to compare tigers with lioness who is like tigers no fighting specialist but more a hunter. The male lion belongs to a higher league. Generally what is stronger than a lion is another lion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_mcPesVeuc

-27 female lion slamming tiger's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9LQ-gAY8q4


I didn't FINISH i will come soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoleo7495 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoleo7495 (talk • contribs) 09:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(I didn't finish i will put also all videos of the tigers beating or killing lions, please don't do anything i'm not biased toward the lion)

Similarly, there are videos of tigers beating or killing lions, even apart from what I mentioned before, so I could put these as links to the article, somehow. Leo1pard (talk) 11:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Actually, the copyright belongs to me, because I had the information posted on another article, before the user in 'Insidehoops.com' copied it from there. Leo1pard (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Actually, the copyright belongs to me, because I had the information posted on another article, before the user in 'Insidehoops.com' copied it from there. Leo1pard (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi I have been busy and have not been active in wikipedia editing for a long time after bringing the few big cat articles to GA and FA standards. I didn't check your edits on Amur tiger page but from your efforts and edits in other articles like tiger vs lion I think you are generally a good editor. Keep up the good work. Note however that wikipedia is not a site for those animal vs animal wars in details and these articles will easily become the targets of vandalism and unless you can keep track on these articles continuously, they will likely deteriorate quickly and even be manipulated to spread false info which isn't what we want to see. If you ask me, it took me far much more efforts to correct Tiger vs lion page than bringing the main Lion and Tiger pages into FA/GA standards. I appreciate your great effort but these less popular animal vs animal pages simply have too few good editors to edit but too many vandals to destroy. As such I don't recommend putting more animal vs animal pages like your Atlas the Barbary lion versus the Bengal tiger of Simla - you will be most likely editing alone without too much help from other editors. Big Cats - talk 22:15, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I read your edits on amur tiger page. It is a common knowledge that amur and bengal tigers represent the largest felines and most reliable sources that also compared tigers and lions mentioned that. While it may not be your original intention, it appears that you cherry picked a single Mazak research that doesn't include lion sizes as a source to suggest amur tigers are not the biggest feline. Also your addition of the size of the exceptionally large lions weighting up to 249.5kg while omitting the exceptionally large amur tiger sizes which are obviously larger than the largest lions further gives readers the wrong impression that lions are indeed larger than amur tigers. Those edits are syntheses and cherry picking of sourced material that the original sources didn't mention. Wikipedia is not a site to publish original research. Big Cats - talk 23:05, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say that lions and tigers are the same size, and no, not all information say that tigers are the biggest cats, rather, that they are the largest species of cats, if you check what I said more accurately, and no, that is not original research, I was saying what was in the sources. Leo1pard (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My goodness, your comments on what you did mislead me about what you actually did to those articles, but thank for not doing what I thought you did. Leo1pard (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I did not even make 3 reverts on that page, as far as I see, but anyways, this is good advice. Leo1pard (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Asiatic lion versus Indochinese tiger

They did coexist, and I'm not sure a source that considers elephants to be ungulates is exactly reliable.Sumanuil (talk) 06:08, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did not personally say that the Asiatic lion and Indochinese tiger did not exist, but I cannot put in personal opinions without reliable references, and the reliable references that I have so far would deny it. Do you have reliable references on that? Leo1pard (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Page view graphs

Can I ask what the point is behind this sudden rash of page view graphs? This is certainly not a recommended or even moderately common feature of talk pages unless the article is either wildly popular or there's some special interest in how many hits it gets. Otherwise this is just clutter and of minimal importance to editors. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That I am the one who created talk-pages like that for the Far Eastern leopard, but this user, WWGB, blanks them out. Leo1pard (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, what is this tool FYI that you speak of? Leo1pard (talk) 13:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Now that you mentioned it, I might as well put it here. Leo1pard (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So, stubbornness and ownership behaviour? Those are just about the worst motivations you could have named... (FYI is meant to read as "for your interest" - if you personally want to see the view stats, just use the site tool). --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Who said those? Leo1pard (talk) 13:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And now you are redirecting talk pages of multiple articles to another unrelated talk page? Sorry, have you gone nuts? If there is no suitable content for these, I am going to put the lot up for CSD. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Elmidae: Wrong, they are related. For instance the Amur leopard is also called "Siberian leopard," so do not do it. Leo1pard (talk) 14:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed these redirects (and generally gone back to the graphs-only version, because the way things have been going, that is the least wrecked state available right now). Really, don't redirect talk pages; it can only lead to confusion. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean

Are you talking about my new articles on shows, or improving articles on actors? Not sure what either would be as a redirect since actors often work on multiple shows and shows often broadcast on multiple stations. ScratchMarshall (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ScratchMarshall: I meant new articles. As you have just seen, new articles may be rather quickly put up for discussion on their deletion, so what I would often do is not to make a new page as an article, but as a redirect to an existing article, before I can put in enough references and information to make it a worthy article. Leo1pard (talk) 08:18, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Occasionally, even articles that have been there for longer may be put up for discussion on their deletion, so I would keep the option to redirect them to others open. Take the article Writing motivation, which was created in 2006! Leo1pard (talk) 08:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited additions to Tanzanian cheetah

Hi, I see you have been editing for some years. However, recently you have been making uncited additions to Tanzanian cheetah, so perhaps it is time to remind you that the policy on Verifiability is core to Wikipedia; every addition must be cited to a reliable source, another core policy. Any editor may remove uncited materials at any time, so it is in your interest to comply with these policies. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Actually, I did not add the information that you deleted to the article, I merely adapted and put that information in that paragraph, from the paragraph before the Section "Enemies and competitors".

The paragraph "Cheetahs are diurnal animals (active mainly during the day), whereas the stronger apex predators, such as hyenas, African leopards and lions are nocturnal (active mainly at night). Hunting is the major activity throughout the day; peaks are observed during dawn and dusk indicating crepuscular tendencies.[1] Groups rest in grassy clearings after dusk, though males and juveniles often roam around at night. The cheetah usually stalks to within a few feet, then chases the animal down at high speed. The cheetah will make its prey trip and fall during the chase, then bites the underside of the throat to suffocate and kill it. It prefers to eat its food quickly to avoid losing it to stronger predators such as lions, leopards and hyenas."

is an adaptation from

"Tanzanian cheetahs are diurnal animals (active mainly during the day), whereas the stronger apex predators, such as hyenas, leopards and lions are nocturnal (active mainly at night). Hunting is the major activity throughout the day; peaks are observed during dawn and dusk indicating crepuscular tendencies.[1] Groups rest in grassy clearings after dusk, though males and juveniles often roam around at night.

...

The East African cheetah hunts at daylight, often during early morning or in the evening. It usually stalks to within a few feet, then chases the animal down at high speed. The cheetah will make its prey trip and fall during the chase, then bites the underside of the throat to suffocate and kill it. It prefers to eat its food quickly to avoid losing it to stronger predators such as lions, leopards and hyenas." Leo1pard (talk) 10:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, I merged and adapted 2 paragraphs, I myself did not add the unreferenced information there. Leo1pard (talk) 10:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "Basic Facts About Cheetahs". Defenders of Wildlife. 2012-04-08. Retrieved 2017-08-23.

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Articles "saved" in sandboxes

I think there may be a big problem with the sandboxed things listed above. First, you have copied existing articles in what's called a cut paste move which violates our requirements for author attribution for copyright. Second, it seems to circumvent the community's desire to have many of them deleted without either contesting the PROD or following normal AfD process. You really should IMO delete these sandboxed articles and instead request WP:REFUND after a deletion debate is completed. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:57, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bri The only mention that I see of sandboxes in there is regarding particular cases, here, here and here. None of them suggest that there is anything wrong with sandboxes having the same information as articles, whether existing or deleted, and it is not like I am going to use these sandboxes to recreate articles that have been deleted, or are under the risk of deletion. The discussions regarding deleted articles are about the articles themselves, not personal sandboxes, and I do not see how using sandboxes to store the same information as articles that were deleted or are under the threat of deletion is problematic, especially as sandboxes are not supposed to be articles, given the statement "This is not a Wikipedia article: It is an individual user's work-in-progress page, and may be incomplete and/or unreliable" on top of every one of these sandboxes, so are you sure there is an issue regarding these sandboxes? Leo1pard (talk) 04:48, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think if this were in front of an administrator (which I am not) she would follow WP:UP#COPIES and permissibility of these sandboxes would come down to intent and duration . If the intent is to improve the article offline for a bit, that's permissible. But that would necessarily be followed by posting back to the original article and eventual deletion of the draft. Obviously this is not possible for the deleted articles, so IMO the sandboxes for deleted materials should be immediately removed. If the sandbox's purpose is for a private copy indefinitely for any reason, that's not permissible per WP:CONTENTFORK or WP:NOTWEBHOST plus the attribution issues noted earlier. If the purpose is for recreation of a deleted but not improved article, that would also be disruptive as well as impermissible for attribution. So as I see it there's only one alternative that works: for sandbox copies of existing articles, actively improve the sandboxed material with the intent to post it back, or delete it. And for deleted articles, WP:REFUND instead of cut-paste copy. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:00, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Bri How about something like this? Leo1pard (talk) 05:24, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Read WP:LISTPEOPLE (good lists) and compare and contrast to WP:COATRACK (bad lists). Which one does "list of all notable Indians" look like? ☆ Bri (talk) 05:50, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Bri Partially what is in this. Leo1pard (talk) 05:53, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm at my limit of what I can explain here. Do you mind if I ask an administrator to look and see if I'm way off base? ☆ Bri (talk) 05:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've requested input on this disucssion at WP:ANI ☆ Bri (talk) 05:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, over here. And by the way, that was before the user was blocked. Leo1pard (talk) 06:01, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Nobody there seems to be interested, but I intend to change the sandboxes anyway. Leo1pard (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • My opinion as an administrator is that you should not have done this. You did not follow the instructions at WP:CWW and all of your sandboxes are copyright violations. If you want to have a copy of a deleted article put in your user space with the intent of improving it for resubmission to the encyclopedia, the proper way is to request that the article be "userfied", either in the deletion discussion before it closes, or if the article has already been deleted you can ask the deleting administrator. In both cases you will need to convince us that you plan to address the issues leading to deletion, not that you just want to have a copy in your user space forever (WP:NOTWEBHOST). I'll give you some time to do this now, but I will shortly be back to delete these per WP:G12 if you have not followed up. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:57, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As of now, not all of them, but anyways, I did not know that the issue of cop-paste applies to sandboxes as well, until Bri told me about it. Anyways, I intend to make modifications to them. Leo1pard (talk) 16:35, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, all of them: you copied work by other contributors without giving attribution to those contributors. That violates Wikipedia's content license. As a side note, for the list of Malayalam films you're working on, you might be interested in List of Malayalam films of 2017 and the other existing lists by year on that subject. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you tell me ...

... why you would replace the granular parameters "last" and "first" by "author"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Apart from the first author, to reduce the space occupied by references with over two authors, and hence the length of an article with plenty of them, such as Cheetah, which got reduced by over 1500 B. Leo1pard (talk) 08:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is space a higher value than granularity? - General advice: don't put so many changes in one edit. Make one edit for changing authors, and another for dashes, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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WikiProject Zoo

Thanks for the edit on South African Zoos template. May I interest you to be member of WikiProject Zoo? Also saw that you seem to collect a lot of old records (Clyde betty etc) Im interested in any records of elephants for my database at http://www.elephant.se/ Dan Koehl (talk) 07:53, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Koehl Welcome, let me look into it. I did edit African bush elephant regarding the largest specimen in Angola, the information is there. Leo1pard (talk) 08:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

thālith al-ḥaramayn

Why is the fact that thālith al-ḥaramayn ثَـالِـث الْـحَـرَمَـيْـن means "the third of the two holy places" in need of any special citation, when it would be obvious to anybody who knows some simple basics of Arabic noun grammar, and is able to look up nouns in an Arabic dictionary? There are a number of similar assertions in the article which did not have citation needed tags added.

By the way, there are a number of Islamic scholars who would agree that Jerusalem is quite holy, but would strongly object to comparing its holiness to that of Mecca and Medina. Ibn Taymiyyah was one of the most vehement about this, but I don't think he was the only one. AnonMoos (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Check WP:BUTITSTRUE. Leo1pard (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that condescending dose of snark which does not particularly help toward resolving anything. Do you know Arabic at least to the extent of being able to look up nouns in an Arabic dictionary, or are you not able to do that? If the answer is that you aren't able to, then maybe you're not the most qualified person to edit the ḥărăm article in the way that you've been doing. If the answer is that you are able to do this, then why are you creating unnecessary difficulties over something that we both know is true? In either case, honestly answering my question will do much more to usefully resolve the issue, rather than snarkily and smarmily linking to a mere essay (i.e. NOT an official and binding Wikipedia policy)... AnonMoos (talk) 00:39, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I could have looked up "Arabic: ثَـالِـث الْـحَـرَمَـيْـن, romanized: Thālith al-Ḥaramayn" if I wanted, but the problem is not that I put in "[citation needed]", but that since adding that piece of information on the 18th of September, 2005, you have not bothered to add references to support what you said about this matter, even though you are required to do so, and you should be thankful that I decided not to erase your work, but only change it with the support of references. If I was one of those strict editors, I would have erased your unreferenced work, since that is allowed. Leo1pard (talk) 04:00, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are many assertions in many Wikipedia articles which are unreferenced. The standard is not that every assertion must always be referenced or deleted. About 3/4ths of the text in Wikipedia articles would be immediately deleted if that were the case. If you look at WP:CITE (an official policy), you can see that while citing is almost always a good thing, there are different levels of priorities -- some things which have much greater need of citation than others. I'm not sure that basic meanings of words that can be easily looked up in a number of dictionaries are a high priority. You left uncited assertions about the meanings of words in the Etymology section, so why is it only the meaning of ثالث الحرمين which must be cited?
HOWEVER, as the article now stands, it's the quasi-paradoxical nature of the phrase which for which a citation is being demanded, and not really the basic meaning of the phrase. That's fair, and I'll leave the tag in place in its current position,.. AnonMoos (talk) 09:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Arabic: ثَـالِـث الْـحَـرَمَـيْـن, romanized: Thālith al-Ḥaramayn" happened to be in a paragraph that I chose to edit, including by adding references, whereas for another paragraph that I made virtually no change to, it was left as it is, and I joined an unreferenced paragraph with another one that had a reference. Leo1pard (talk) 12:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Noted. Leo1pard (talk) 08:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please

I know that "Template:Taxobox" is with vendalism, but i want you to let me copy that. I tried in Template:Taxobox/sandbox but that didn't work. I want to copy that template and past in Stampa:Taxobox in Albanian wikipedia. Albanian wikipedia is having one Taxobox but is nor really good. I swere, I'm not gojng to do any stupid thing, just copy paste. Can you let me? Or I want you to copy the source of Taxobox not the Taxobox/sandobox and past in this message. I wish you're fine. Punetor i Rregullt5 (talk) 06:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Punetor i Rregullt5 (talk) 06:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Punetor i Rregullt5 I don't think that that is WP:vandalism, let me look into it. Leo1pard (talk) 14:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Punetor i Rregullt5 Now I understand, you want to copy what is in Template:Taxobox into here, but I am not sure how that would work, because I noticed that different language versions do not have the same content, even if translated. For example, the Spanish Wikipedia has different things. Leo1pard (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leo1pard Don't worry I did copy it from sandbox and it works ;). Have a nice day!

Why are you deleting sourced photos that have been published without copyrights on public forums or Flickr?

Why are you removing great photos showing Saudi Arabia? There seems to be targeted campaign to prevent people from showing the historical depth and natural beauty of Saudi Arabia? Why is that?

You removed numerous fantastic photos from the Saudi Arabia and Hijaz pages. First the previous consensus reached history section was removed with great photos and now this?--OxfordLaw (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2018 (UTC)--OxfordLaw (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OxfordLaw But I kept at least one photo that you put in Hejaz which did not have the issue of copyright, so can you not see why I did what I did? Why should photos that might get deleted from Wikimedia Commons due to the issue of copyright be kept there if they are going to disappear from Wikimedia Commons anyway? Leo1pard (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, the photos were left untouched after the issue was raised on Wikimedia Commons. They will not be deleted. They have been credited, they were published on public forums and on Flickr.--OxfordLaw (talk) 15:55, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you make valuable additions to the Arabian Leopard Wikipedia page and also create a separate page about the Arabian Lion?

Hello Leo1pard

I noticed your great interest in lions and animals as a whole and wondered whether you could contribute to the existing Arabian Leopard Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_leopard

And maybe create a separate Wikipedia page about the extinct Arabian Lion.

https://snarla.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/arabian-lions/

http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/198201/the.arabian.lion.htm

http://saudi-archaeology.com/subjects/lion/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7D_25yXARk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae6Xk_r-7fA

Thank you a lot in advance.--OxfordLaw (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OxfordLaw I have been contributing to Arabian leopard, but with regards to Arabian lion, since Arabia is in Asia, the Arabian lion can be considered to be an extinct subpopulation of the Asiatic lion, like a Kenyan lion can be considered to be a subpopulation of the East African lion, so this information could fit in Asiatic lion. Leo1pard (talk) 17:54, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your answer.

I am not an expert when it comes to lions but I have previously read, the sources that I posted claim it too, that an distinct Arabian lion existed that was a fusion of the African and Asiatic lion.

A bit like how the Arabian horse, Arabian oryx, Arabian leopard and Arabian wolf and gazelle, etc. are unique species. --OxfordLaw (talk) 22:20, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OxfordLaw African lions themselves are divided into different subspecies, and the Barbary lion of North Africa and West African lion, amongst others, were found to be related to the Asiatic lion, which currently survives in India, and the Arabian peninsula is located between India and North Africa, so I would at least believe that the extinct Arabian lion is related to the Indian, North African and West African lions. Leo1pard (talk) 07:47, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Northern lion

You have me completely confused. The Barbary lion is said to be Panthera leo leo. You say the Norther lion is P. leo leo. So how are these not two different common names for the same subspecies?? --Randykitty (talk) 13:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Randykitty Lion subspecies have been revised, so according to the new classification by the Cat Specialist Group in 2017, the Barbary lion of North Africa is part of the subspecies Panthera leo leo, which now includes the Asiatic, West African and (northern) Central African lions, see pages 71–73:[1] Leo1pard (talk) 13:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Randykitty The consensus is that the Barbary lion of North Africa is a part of this subspecies, like the Asiatic lion is a part of this subspecies.[1] Sensu stricto, the Barbary lion, also known as the "Atlas lion", was the lion that inhabited the Atlas region of North Africa, so whereas Asiatic, West African and northern Central African lions may be regarded as Northern lions, they are not Atlas lions, because they are not from the Atlas region where the Barbary lion had been. Something similar has happened to tigers. I expect that you know that a Siberian tiger (formerly Panthera tigris altaica) is not a Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris), but the Cat Specialist Group has grouped them together under the Mainland Asian subspecies (Panthera tigris tigris).[1] Leo1pard (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c Kitchener, A. C.; Breitenmoser-Würsten, C.; Eizirik, E.; Gentry, A.; Werdelin, L.; Wilting, A.; Yamaguchi, N.; Abramov, A. V.; Christiansen, P.; Driscoll, C.; Duckworth, J. W.; Johnson, W.; Luo, S.-J.; Meijaard, E.; O’Donoghue, P.; Sanderson, J.; Seymour, K.; Bruford, M.; Groves, C.; Hoffmann, M.; Nowell, K.; Timmons, Z.; Tobe, S. (2017). "A revised taxonomy of the Felidae: The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN Cat Specialist Group" (PDF). Cat News (Special Issue 11).
  • Then the article should make it clear that you are talking about different populations of the same subspecies and tell us why this particular population should have a separate article from the rest of the subspecies (i.e., what sets them apart). As it stands, it just confuses the reader (like me). --Randykitty (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Leo1pard So, Northern lion is like Mainland Asiatic tiger right?

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Is asiatic lion include in northern lion??????? Punetor i Rregullt5 (talk) 17:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Punetor i Rregullt5 Yes, but Asiatic lion may be too WP:detailed to be fully merged with Northern lion. Leo1pard (talk) 17:56, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Commons

I saw your comment about my photos in my commons talk page (here). Your comment against me was ironic and I didn't like it. I want to have teamwork between us as we both care about editing animals such as tiger and lion. I hope next time to get understanding quick about our editings and a more polite way ;). --Punetor i Rregullt5 (talk) 16:53, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What's ironic about that? I know that those photos are not of the fight between a Barbary lion and Bengal tiger in an Indian amphitheatre in the late 19th century, in which the tiger beat the lion, but of an Asiatic lion and Bengal tiger (likely involving more than one lion and tiger) in a jungle pit in the 20th century, in which the lion was depicted as beating the tiger. Leo1pard (talk) 05:45, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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August 2018

Information icon Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:History of lions in Mesopotamia, from its old location at User:Leo1pard/sandbox/History of lions in Mesopotamia. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 19:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maneless lion

Hi Leo1pard, I saw you edits on my maneless lion article. You made some changes even after I changed the article again! I do not remember to have edited in your articles, so please, before you make any other changes, consult with me. Thank you. Punetor i Rregullt5 (talk) 06:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Punetor i Rregullt5 Other have edited articles that I made, even if without my consent, and I don't always mind, unless it's something important. Leo1pard (talk) 08:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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