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In case any edit wars crop up around this template, I think we should note some inclusion criteria. I'm in favour of broad criteria, namely any radical bookshop/social centre that disseminates political literature, acts as a meeting space or library for radical groups. In other words, I don't think it would be produictive to insist on reliable sources explicitly calling the operation an "infoshop" (which would injudiciously exclude non-American operatinos, for example). <font color="404040">[[User talk:Skomorokh|<font face="Garamond" color="black">the skomorokh</font>]]</font> 23:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
In case any edit wars crop up around this template, I think we should note some inclusion criteria. I'm in favour of broad criteria, namely any radical bookshop/social centre that disseminates political literature, acts as a meeting space or library for radical groups. In other words, I don't think it would be produictive to insist on reliable sources explicitly calling the operation an "infoshop" (which would injudiciously exclude non-American operatinos, for example). <font color="404040">[[User talk:Skomorokh|<font face="Garamond" color="black">the skomorokh</font>]]</font> 23:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:Given the content of this template, I'd like to suggest that it be renamed to [[Template:Infoshops and social centers]]. &mdash; [[User:Hex|<span style="color:#000">'''Hex'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Hex|<span title="Hex's talk page"><span style="color:#000">(❝</span>'''<span style="color:#900">?!</span>'''<span style="color:#000">❞)</span></span>]] 15:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
:Given the content of this template, I'd like to suggest that it be renamed to [[Template:Infoshops and social centers]]. &nbsp; [[User:Scott|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900"></span> [[User talk:Scott|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 15:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
::As no objection's been raised since I made the suggestion three years ago, I've gone ahead and done the rename. &mdash; [[User:Hex|<span style="color:#000">'''Hex'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Hex|<span title="Hex's talk page"><span style="color:#000">(❝</span>'''<span style="color:#900">?!</span>'''<span style="color:#000">❞)</span></span>]] 17:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
::As no objection's been raised since I made the suggestion three years ago, I've gone ahead and done the rename. &nbsp; [[User:Scott|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900"></span> [[User talk:Scott|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 17:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


==Accurate reflection of number of centers==
==Accurate reflection of number of centers==
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My point is that to make this list encyclopaedic it would be gigantic. The list gives the impression that it is mainly a small northern European phenomenon whereas it’s actually more prevalent in Southern Europe.
My point is that to make this list encyclopaedic it would be gigantic. The list gives the impression that it is mainly a small northern European phenomenon whereas it’s actually more prevalent in Southern Europe.
[[User:FrutiDurruti|FrutiDurruti]] ([[User talk:FrutiDurruti|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
[[User:FrutiDurruti|FrutiDurruti]] ([[User talk:FrutiDurruti|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
:Hi FD - the list can only reflect places that we have articles for; and in order to have an article, a place has to meet our [[WP:general notability guideline|general notability guideline]]. Perhaps there needs to be an article about social centres as a southern European phenomenon; that's certainly possible if there are [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] that discuss it. — [[User:Hex|<span style="color:#000">'''Hex'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Hex|<span title="Hex's talk page"><span style="color:#000">(❝</span>'''<span style="color:#900">?!</span>'''<span style="color:#000">❞)</span></span>]] 23:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
:Hi FD - the list can only reflect places that we have articles for; and in order to have an article, a place has to meet our [[WP:general notability guideline|general notability guideline]]. Perhaps there needs to be an article about social centres as a southern European phenomenon; that's certainly possible if there are [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] that discuss it. &nbsp;— [[User:Scott|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900"></span> [[User talk:Scott|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 23:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
:: Another possibility is to create a list article, detailing all the centers [[User:Jonpatterns|Jonpatterns]] ([[User talk:Jonpatterns|talk]]) 12:53, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
:: Another possibility is to create a list article, detailing all the centers [[User:Jonpatterns|Jonpatterns]] ([[User talk:Jonpatterns|talk]]) 12:53, 16 December 2013 (UTC)



Revision as of 16:59, 26 March 2019

Inclusion criteria

In case any edit wars crop up around this template, I think we should note some inclusion criteria. I'm in favour of broad criteria, namely any radical bookshop/social centre that disseminates political literature, acts as a meeting space or library for radical groups. In other words, I don't think it would be produictive to insist on reliable sources explicitly calling the operation an "infoshop" (which would injudiciously exclude non-American operatinos, for example). the skomorokh 23:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given the content of this template, I'd like to suggest that it be renamed to Template:Infoshops and social centers.  — Scott talk 15:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As no objection's been raised since I made the suggestion three years ago, I've gone ahead and done the rename.  — Scott talk 17:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Accurate reflection of number of centers

Hi my problem with this list is that it gives a totally wrong impression of the number of social centres in existence. If you go here http://usurpa.squat.net/ And click on the PDF you get the events happening in Barcelona centres this week. As I’m writing this there are 60 centres listed as running events this week. This is more centres than this entire list has listed for the world in just one city. Athens Greece also has vast numbers of centres, Italy at least 2 in every city and many more in places such as Milan or Rome. My point is that to make this list encyclopaedic it would be gigantic. The list gives the impression that it is mainly a small northern European phenomenon whereas it’s actually more prevalent in Southern Europe. FrutiDurruti (talk) 16:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FD - the list can only reflect places that we have articles for; and in order to have an article, a place has to meet our general notability guideline. Perhaps there needs to be an article about social centres as a southern European phenomenon; that's certainly possible if there are reliable sources that discuss it.  — Scott talk 23:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Another possibility is to create a list article, detailing all the centers Jonpatterns (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ungdomshuset

Ungdomshuset in Denmark reopenned in a new location, should be moved to Current, and left in old? Jonpatterns (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Binz

[1] @Mujinga, care to explain this re-revert? Through BRD, your addition has been contested, so the courtesy is to discuss rather than add it back yourself. czar 21:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Czar Sure. The explanation is that you appear to be hounding me by policing my edits (fro exmaple: herehere and here), which is flattering, i guess. This template has quite vague inclusion criteria, as stated above. It started off i believe as an 'infoshops' infobox, then was changed to 'social centres and infoshops' now for some reason it is 'autonomous social centres.' I agree with the original discussion point that "I don't think it would be produictive to insist on reliable sources explicitly calling the operation an "infoshop" (which would injudiciously exclude non-American operatinos, for example)." If you now want to insist that all autonomous social centres need to be reliably sourced as such, please discuss it first here, seems like a good place for it. I would note that if that is the case you should practice what you preach and explicitly reference the recently recreated 121 Centre as such.Mujinga (talk) 10:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]