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Iraq After The Muslim Conquest

Hello HistoryofIran! You used this source to create Hazarbed years ago, but now, unfortunately, it's not available on Google Books. Do you have a PDF? I really would like to have such source, but I don't know where there is a PDF archive. Cheers!--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Yeah, I have quite a lot of pages of the book stored in my mail (pages 27-99 and 180-213 with info about the Hazarbed and alot more). Here's the mail I use for Wikipedia, contact me so I can send them to you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Can you help verify translations of articles from Farsi

Hello,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Farsi to English Wikipedia?

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This would involve evaluating a translated article on English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Farsi article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Farsi , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Farsi. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

• Islamic Revolution Document Center
• Standing in the Mist
• Homafaran allegiance
• Ciyos Guran
• Persian Gulf Forever

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Farsi article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't read the Persian script. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh. You have a {{user fa}} box on your user page, so I thought you were a native speaker. Thanks anyway! Mathglot (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Help save these files?

This collection of files and this file are nominated for deletion.
It would be nice of you to leave a comment.
Thank you.
—Rye-96 (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Safavid Grand Viziers

Dear HistoryofIran, I want to thank you for editing the List of Safavid Grand Viziers. I want to inform you that in the book "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" It is mentioned that "Mortezaqoli Khan" was "Vakil-e Divan" and not the grand vizier of Tahmasp II. I also want to be familiar with your sources for the viziership of "Mirza Abdol-Karim". I saw his name in "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" as "E'demad al-Dowle" which was the title of Safavids' Grand Viziers, but in the book "Ashraf Afghan on the throne of Isfahan: narration of the Dutch witnesses" he is just considered as "Mostowfi-ye Khasse (Special state accountant). I am not familiar with "Farajollah Khan Abdollah", "Mirza Mohammad Hossein" and "Mirza Mohammad Rahim". Please, introduce me your source or sources which mention their names. About "Mirza Abdollah", I should say that he was the son of "Mirza Davud Mar'ashi (Custodian of Astan-e Quds-e Razavi)" so he must be the brother of Suleiman II of Persia. There is another figure who might be one of Tahmasp II's Grand Viziers: "Ismail Beg E'temad al-Dowle" who signed the Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1723) on the side of Safavids. Saeed Nafisi mentioned his name with the title of "E'demad al-Dowle" but did not directly called him the Grand Vizier of Tahmasp II. In "Alamara-ye Naderi" he is mentioned as "Tabin-e Vazir-e A'zam" which I do not know what means exactly. At the end I should say that "Rajab-Ali Beg" and "Rajab-Ali Khan" maybe was one person. "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" mentioned that "Rajab-Ali Beg" was "Nazer-e Boyutat" at the beginning of the reign of Tahmasp II and "Alamara-ye Naderi" mentioned "Rajab-Ali Khan E'temad al-Dowle" was the Grand Vizier of Tahmasp II which started his viziership after the Battle of Murche-Khort and died 2 months before the deposion of Tahmasp II. Best regards Shfarshid (talk) 03:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello there - the article is not yet done. The source I primarily use is this one [1]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Shfarshid (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congrats on reaching GA with Arsaces I of Parthia! A great article on a pivotal figure in Iranian history. Keep up the good work! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Happy Nowruz

This graphical design of mine, even though is not prestigious enough to represent Nowruz, but as a symbol of good faith for the beginning of a new friendship, is presented to you.

Happy Nowruz, the most accurate new year festival with respect to astronomical calculations!

I have decided that if a group of few users can be formed, together we start a new wikiproject, to make a tree-view of detailed content of all policies and guidelines for handy usage of ourselves (in Iran wikiproject) and the new users. Here is the proto-type of what I have in mind. I have always felt lack of any such tool for wikipedia contributors. If you were interested, I would be glad to see you in this wikiproject. --Shahreman (talk) 07:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Uh sure I guess, I'm in. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Good Work

Hello HistoryofIran, let me congratulate you, first and again for Nowruz and New Iranian Year, second for your good work on the history of our country Iran which I see you are continuing. As I am also interested in creating articles about history, including of our own, I hope, somehow, in this new year, we can work together more. Thank You Alex-h (talk) 09:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks mate, and likewise! --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hyspaosines

Hello HistoryofIran. I am not sure why you delete all my edits. One main source for this king is Pliny the Elder. In the moment he is not once mentioned in the article. The article mainly refers to modern authors making it very hard (or impossible) to see what is fact and what are suggestions by modern historians. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

If there is a certain suggestion by a modern historian then it will be mentioned thats it's a suggestion and not fact. The information on the article (well at least the properly sourced ones) is fact. Hyspaosines being appointed governor is already written in the governorship section. But yeah the article is very incomplete. Also, mind you that ancient/medieval historians tend to say inaccurate/biased stuff, which is often corrected in modern sources. Also p2, even if the source can be viewed online you still have to add a citation. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

For your contributions on "Hyspaosines". Shahreman (talk) 18:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

GA's

In addition to my reply on my talk page; you could ask Cplakidas and Attar-Aram syria to review your articles. I sure they'd be willing to help you out. As you know they're two excellent editors who edit late antiquity/classical antiquity/Islamic, etc. articles, and they both review GA/FA-nominees as well. You should definitely pay them a visit when you have time. :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 15:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Example:[2] - LouisAragon (talk) 16:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey mate, can I ask you a favor? I'm currently dealing with the points raised at the GA review of Safavid occupation of Basra (1697-1701). The GA reviewer has asked me to add a few more words about the Ottomans and Safavids to the lede:

• "The Ottomans and the Safavids need a bit more of an introduction in the lead, even if only two or three words each"[3]

Would you as an uninvolved reader be willing to add a few words about these two polities to the lede? I always find such simple points, though obviously valid, difficult to carry out when I'm the main editor. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I'm not really good at it either, especially with the Muslim dynasties of Iran, but I tried (source; http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/safavids);

The Safavid dynasty was one of the most prominent and influential dynasties of Iran. Unlike most of the previous dynasties of the country, they were, however, Shiite Muslims, and had declared it as the official religion of the country under its founder, King (Shah) Ismail I (r. 1501–1524). The young dynasty, due to its religious and political differences with the neighbouring Sunnite Ottoman Empire, was seen as a threat. As as result the two empires would constantly clash with each other, with both sides gaining some decisive victories over each other. EDIT; Ops, didnt know this was for the lede. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah I need a short introduction of both empires for the lede haha. Do you have any other suggestion? PS: just sent you Axworthy's A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

The reviewer proposes this:

"The Safavid occupation of Basra was the takeover of the important Persian Gulf city of Basra by the Muslim Safavid dynasty of the Persian, or Iranian, Empire between 26 March 1697 and 9 March 1701. They gained control of the city of Basra with the support of 5,000 members of the Moshasha, a Muslim Shi'i sect based in western Khuzestan Province. In 1695, Shaykh Mane ibn Mughamis and his Arab tribesmen had revolted against the Ottomans, the Muslim Empire which controlled much of the Balkans and the Middle East."

Thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ye it's fine. And thanks mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you add this page to your watchlist?[4] WP:SPA IPs/accounts are on a WP:TENDENTIOUS mission. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Sure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:55, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

So did you manage to log into Oxford? - LouisAragon (talk) 12:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Not yet, they told me that I can expect to receive access details within a week or two once it has been processed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Aight. Until that time, if you need any entry or whatsoever, don't hesitate to let me know. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Could you add this one to your watchlist as well?[5] Disruptive edits every once in a while. - LouisAragon (talk) 09:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Seems you got access to Oxford at last :) Good stuff, innit? - LouisAragon (talk) 14:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah lots of new stuff I haven't read about before, a shame its so short though.

True. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

[6] No edit summary/explanation, extremely far-fetched POV claims. Also, you might be interested in this.[7] - LouisAragon (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Your GA nomination of Hormizd III

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Hormizd III you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hormizd III

The article Hormizd III you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Hormizd III for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

For quality work

		The Feather Barnstar
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of the great work you are doing in improving the quality of articles. Please keep it up. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much @Gog the Mild:, appreciate it coming from someone like you :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yazdegerd II

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Yazdegerd II you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yazdegerd II

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Istakhr, Eberhard Sauer (Sasanian Persia: Between Rome and the Steppes of Eurasia)

I just went for a full rewrite.[8] Could you take a cursory look at the changes I made when you have time? Also, sent you a reply in relation to the Sasanian Empire source (Sasanian Persia: Between Rome and the Steppes of Eurasia). - LouisAragon (talk) 18:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Ye sure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Do we need an article about this?[9] Or is it already covered somewhere else? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh btw I wanted to go for a full rewrite of Kermanshah, but its gonna take a lot of time, hence I'm gonna postpone it for the time being. I did however decide to add a small etymology section.[10] By any chance; if you have sources at your disposal about the words Middle Persian vs New Persian transliteration (similar to what we've done at e.g. Istakhr), that'd be great. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Well we don't have an article of it and it is technically mentioned in Kavad I, but as a city instead of province ("Many places were founded and re-built under Kavad. He founded Eran-asan-kar-Kawad in Media;[1]"). It's up to you I guess. Also ye I'll notify you if I see something regarding Kermanshah. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Gave it a shot.[11] - LouisAragon (talk) 17:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I can review the article if no one responds at this venue. Just throw me a ping/notification. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yes that would be nice, thank you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Will start within the next few days. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Whoa. Livius.org offers a wide array of interesting art pictures that are freely uploadable.[12]-[13] I just added these two to Commons.[14]-[15] - LouisAragon (talk) 19:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah I recall seeing something like that. Never completely explored what pictures the site offered (until u messaged me), but ye it's quite promising. Uploads inc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I adjusted my comment like 10 times, lol. Some of the pics definitely close a long-standing gap. Pretty sick, to put it politely. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Got access to Brill Online for a day. If you need anything, lemme know. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:02, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Actually, yes, I do have loads in mind. Names inc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah, take your time, lel [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Check your email ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 11:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

I was wondering; should Darius the Great's Suez Inscriptions and the clay tablet from Romania (Gherla) be added to Template:Persian literature? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ehh, no idea xd. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry didn't see your reply mate. Yeah I wasn't sure cuz it does include some inscriptions but not all of them. Btw I added Category:Zoroastrianism to Kingdom of Cappadocia. Yeah, it was not a fully Zoroastrian entity anymore as it was getting Hellenized, but it did have a very important role in relation to the kingdom and to the survival of Zoroastrianism in general. Per the same rationale, should it be added to Kingdom of Pontus? Bear in mind that there are less extant records available of "proper Zoroastrianism" from Pontus during the period of kingship. I think it should be added, but I was curious for your opinion. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ye sure, why not. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm back! - LouisAragon (talk) 01:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Nicee! --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the content guideline and the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. Please do not add new additions to these pages without direct sources as the burden to provide them is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 13:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I see - there you go, I've added it now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Jewish revolt against Heraclius

Hey, i asked for page protection, since this article is the target of IP disruption. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Suleiman of Persia

Hi. Could you please look at the above article. Someone is making edits to it and I can't confirm whether they are good faith or not. Thanks in advance.TheDoDahMan (talk) 13:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	I have just passed your article on Mithridates the Great as a good article and you deserve it. Thanks a lot for your contributions to articles related to the History of Iran. Congratulations and all the best! P.S: When I have time I will also get to reviewing your other articles nominated for good article. Migboy123 (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you very much for your unbiased and purely information contributions to articles related to the History of Iran. Migboy123 (talk) 12:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move

Hello HistoryofIran, maybe you are interested in this requested move Talk:Kurdistan Province#Requested move 2 June 2019, regards Coron Arol (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

There are also two requested moves in the articles Talk:Iranian Kurdistan#Requested move 2 June 2019 and Talk:Turkish Kurdistan#Requested move 2 June 2019 Coron Arol (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Just to let you know

Hey, i reported the disruptive IP who is edit warring on numerous articles, including Avicenna and Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi here. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey again, seems it's trolls day today, i think it's better to leave the IP who is edit warring on Tabriz, Tehran and Sanandaj alone, he has reverted all of us repeatedly and will not stop that easy, i asked for page protection and we will be able to restore last good version after that. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

"Somewhat" related, did you see this? - LouisAragon (talk) 13:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: @Kansas Bear: - LouisAragon (talk) 13:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Jeez. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Actually, I stumbled upon this a few weeks ago and lost track of it. But to be honest, can we really say we are surprised? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Not in the slightest way. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, we all know why this happened ...---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Periodization

Hi. I want to talk with you about Periodization of History of Iran. In Fawiki, we discussed a lot in دوره بندی تاریخ ایران. I believe Periodization of History of Iran should be changed from dynasty-base form. Qajar dynasty was a ruling house of Realm of Iran. For example, Ottoman dynasty differs from Ottoman Empire, and House of Romanov differs from Russian Empire; they were not a same thing :(( Sovereign state of Iran before 1979 was «Imperial State of Iran», not Pahlavi dynasty. I believe that the sovereign of Iran from 16th century had a name such as «Mamālek-e Īrān», «Mamālek-e Maḥrūsa-ye Īrān» or other names… but Safavi, Afshar, Zand and Qajar were the ruling house of this territory. What is your opinion? Do you agree with separation of the articles of ruling houses from sovereign states of Iran?
Perhaps it is interesting for LouisAragon too. Regards Benyamin-ln (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

:) Benyamin-ln (talk) 20:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, we should it per the sources, which we are doing now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Safavid dynasty was a dynasty, not a country. Are you disagree with this? Benyamin-ln (talk) 12:17, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

The same can be said for the Sasanians and many other articles. I've said my bit, sorry but I don't wish to delve into this any further. HistoryofIran (talk)

Sasanian Empire and House of Sasan have different articles.

I thought you would like this subject. Ok. Benyamin-ln (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

How I'm understanding this is that you want an article that includes several Iranian dynasties, the Safavid/Afshar/Zand/Qajar dyasnties in one article etc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Not exactly in one article. Perhaps I hadn't explain correctly in previous time.

Only in articles of Iran's history, dynasties and territories are mixed. We haven't see such misunderstands in articles of other countries —from Habsburg Spain to Bagratid Armenia—. Benyamin-ln (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Do you like this topic? Benyamin-ln (talk) 14:08, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Benyamin-ln: Hi there, excuse me for my belated response. Hmm that's an interesting proposal to be honest. However, it wouldn't work. For instance, how are people supposed to know that "Mamalek-e Iran" refers to Safavid Iran? The title doesn't reveal anything particular. Unless WP:RS sources start using these native nomenclatures en masse, or Persian becomes a lingua franca like English, I don't see any reason to implement such changes.

Having said that, what I "do" believe should be done in the near future, is moving articles like "Qajar dynasty" to "Qajar Iran". This is supported by WP:COMMONNAME as JSTOR and Google.books yield much more hits for "Qajar Iran" compared to "Qajar dynasty". Alle dynasty-related articles of Iran of the early modern period (i.e. Safavid, Afsharid, Qajar) deal with the country known as Iran/Persia during the rule of aforemetioned dynasties. Currently, the content within these articles reach far beyond a mere description about the ruling monarchs. The dynasties proper in turn could have their own separate articles if needed (like Bagrationi dynasty, Ottoman dynasty, etc.). This implementation would bring articles like Qajar dynasty properly in line with Bagratid Armenia and Habsburg Spain amongst others. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Hi buddy, thank you :)

I done some searches as you said and I saw that for Safavid government: "Safavid Iran/Safavid Persia", for Afsharid government: "Afsharid Iran/Afsharid Persia" and for Qajar government: "Qajar Iran/Qajar Persia" widely used. It's great!

How long does it take to happen in ENwiki? Benyamin-ln (talk) 23:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Benyamin-ln: Once enough support has been gathered, the change can be manually implemented as far as I know. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Question

Hi HistoryofIran, I have a question and would like to know if you have any information or research regarding the Achomi, Larestani, or the Huwala in Iranian history books or culture? There's very little information written about them that I found. I am not entirely certain if they are all the same and grouped together and called Larestani? Also, how different are they from the Huwala? When I was in the Emirates, I have met some elders of well known families who have migrated from Iran (mainly fars province). Many of them carry names of places in Iran (Bastaki and Janahi, for example). The general view of the Arabs in the Emirates is that they're not pure Arabs because they've migrated, or are true Persians, or simply not bedouin enough to be Arabs. They are pejoratively called Ajam. The bedouin Arabs carry last names of tribal affiliations (Al Falasi for example). However, when I actually sat down with some of the 70-80 year old elders, they mention that their ancestors were seafarers and they have settled in Iranian coast due to the bustling ports. They explain that they traveled from the peninsula to Iran (Fars and Hormozgan) and some to even India (Mumbai) in the 17th and 18th century, intermarried with the people there and learned the language and left when hostilities in Iran increased against them. To me, this was confirmed when the ruler of Sharjah wrote an autobiography about his family and that they lived on the Iranian coast. Hence, they started calling themselves Khodmonoi. Although I am not certain if being a "Khodmooni" is the same as being an Achomi or larestani? They told me they were Sunni Muslims compared to the large Shia followers in Iran. To us the general Arabs in the emirates who form the majority, we call this minority Ajam, some hardliners even call the Al Qassimi, a royal family, Ajam. The Arab hardliners state that those are Persians who came to the peninsula looking for trade and almost always were referred to as Ajam. In their words "in the Arabian peninsula they call us ajam and in Iran they call us Arabs so we're just content calling themselves Khodmooni".

Sorry for the long prose. My question is, are the Achomi or Larestani an ethnic group within the Persian people or are they the same as the Huwala? Some say the Huwala are both Persanized Arabs and Arabized Persians who moved from Iran to the peninsula. Are they all the same people; a combination of Persian-Arab? They share the same language (which I understood is not the same as true Persian), but they call it the "Ajami language". I would love the input from a Persian who knows the history of Iran very well. I am not looking forward to add this information to wikipedia due to the lack of verifiable sources, so I am only asking for my own knowledge. I would love the input from a scholastic well lettered Persian. Thank you. -Wikiemirati (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry bud, I don't even possess a single source regarding those groups. They are quite obsecure indeed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:20, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

No worries, thanks mate. Wikiemirati (talk) 01:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiemirati: I had a brief look. Not sure if this helps but:

• The Encyclopaedia of Islam (2nd edition) contains 1-2 sentences about the Huwala in its "Dawraḳ" and "al-Baḥrayn" entries.
• The "Persian Gulf" entry of the The Oxford Encyclopedia of Maritime History contains one sentence about the Huwala.
• The Encyclopaedia of Islam (2nd edition) contains some information about the Larestani in its "Lār, Lāristān" entry.
• The Encyclopaedia Islamica contains some information about the Larestani in its Baḥrayn (Bahrain) entry.
• The "BANDAR-E LENGA" entry of the Encyclopaedia Iranica contains 1 sentence about the Huwala.

Some papers in JSTOR also briefly mention the Huwala[32] and Larestani[33], but this is really all I could find. Our best bet would be to wait for the Encyclopaedia Islamica, the Encyclopaedia of Islam (third edition), and/or Encyclopaedia Iranica to publish entries focused on these groups.

- LouisAragon (talk) 22:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

For Persian Sunnis in southern Iran, I found the following article [34]; although it has quite a few factual issues, the following excerpt is pretty insightful:

>There are few, if any, documents that shed light on how a large number of Persians remained devoted to the Sunni faith during the forced conversion that began more than five hundred years ago. Did they flee to distant areas to escape conversion, or was the central government unable to reach them because they lived in remote parts of the country?

>“Generally, both the above happened,” said Sheikh Abdulkarim. “We assume they mostly fled to remote and uninhabitable areas, such as here, because they were not within the reach of the Safavid army. Historically, security was assured in places where life was difficult.”

Basically, the land beyond the Zagros was less accessible for the Safavids, so their forced conversion wasn't effective there. Many Persian Sunnis from the rest of the country also fled there for safety. Those people are today known as Larestanis, basically with their own Persian dialect and Sunni faith, inhabiting southern Fars and western Hormozgan.

Huwala are a different people though; Arabs from the peninsula who arrived starting in 16th century (mostly in 18th though). The emirates they set up in Bushehr and Hormozgan were in the 18th century, after fall of the Safavids (Arab wiki has articles on those I believe). Some assimilated with the locals and stayed (a few hundred thousand today in Bushehr/Hormozgan provinces), many returned back south (plenty of Gulf Arabs have ancestors from Iran, probably most of them are Huwala ancestors though). - Qahramani44 (talk) 04:29, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

LouisAragon (talk · contribs) and Qahramani44 (talk · contribs), thank you very much! Those are really interesting findings. Thank you for mentioning them here and bringing them to my attention. I am interested in reading about the Larestanis, their dialect, and history. If you come across more sources, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks! Wikiemirati (talk) 21:05, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiemirati: Found some more sources, written by a well-known Iranologist.[35]-[36]-[37] - LouisAragon (talk) 21:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

New Article

Hello, I found a new article that was created three days ago here [38], its quite a sensitive article (deals with history of Khuzestan), especially given that quite a bit of the content is either unsourced or uses sources that are difficult to verify (early 20th century British sources in particular). Even for the sources the creator linked, the wording in the article is altered from the source to suit an Arab nationalist POV. I tried improving it a bit, but I don't quite have the time/energy to rework it all on my own or check every source the creator linked (got partway through this one which is 350 pages long [39]), was wondering if you or anyone else you know could help improve the article as well, would greatly appreciate it. - Qahramani44 (talk) 19:49, 06 July 2019 (UTC)

@Qahramani44: Hi there. I'd say if there is pov/unsourced content then it should just be removed. I'm not really interested in the article and its story, thus I unfortunately gotta say that I can't help with this one. Thanks for notifying me btw. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

For your info :)

It was hashed to bits as recently as last month. All the best! ——SerialNumber54129 09:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Merv

Hello! My change in the Merv article saying that ancient Merv is now located near the current Turkmen city of Bayramaly was reverted. I live in Turmenistan and visited Ancient Merv a number of times, it is located in the outskirts of the Turkmen city Bayramaly, which is nearly 25 km from the city of Mary. I hope my change will be added back into the article. Thanks! Bayram A (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

If you open the Wikipedia article about the city of Bayaramaly, it clearly says that Ancient Merv is localed near this city Bayram A (talk) 09:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, I totally didn't see your reverts in that article. I didn't get any notification and that article isn't in my watchlist. Did you undo my edit in a regular way or did you click on earlier version then edit then publish? I haven't received any revert notification recently and I fear that the reverting notification isn't working with me. Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 19:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, I work in magic ways. Anyways, conversations (and many other things) in ancient sources should be taken with a grain of salt. The majority of the stuff you've 'written' here [40] is the stuff of legends and most likely didn't happen (and also should be removed, that is if it's to be a proper article). --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Congrats!

Congratulations on getting Boran to GA, splendid work! ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks bruv, one of my first goals on Wikipedia was to make the two Sasanian sisters GA. Hopefully Khosrow I next :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Awesome!! - LouisAragon (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

An interesting read

Recently decided to reopen James R. Russell's Zoroastrianism in Armenia.[41] Other than it being an excellent work, I stumbled across some newer works dealing with the same matter, which I thought were pretty interesting as well. Some excerpts:

• "There are two very important exceptions to this general pattern of the spread of Zoroastrianism: It is certain that the Armenians and the Georgians (or Iberians) were Zoroastrians before they converted to Christianity. This is not an obvious fact to everyone; on the contrary, it has been (and continues to be) bitterly opposed, especially by Armenian and Georgian scholars, who prefer to think of the pre-Christian religions of the Armenians and Georgians as chiefly “local” or “indigenous” traditions, which accommodated some Iranian elements (Ananikian 1925). They are aided in this interpretation by the fact that the (Christian) Armenian and Georgian sources rarely, if at all, identify the religion of their ancestors before their conversion to Christianity as “Zoroastrianism.” These sources either prefer seemingly neutral terms (such as “the religion of our forefathers”) or polemical ones (“heathenism”), but do not label the reli-gion as “Iranian” or “Zoroastrian.” Where these terms occur, they refer to the religion of the Persians, chiefly of the Persians as enemies of the Christian Armenians. This fact in itself, while undeniable, is not compelling; on the contrary, it seems to be in harmony with the selfidentifications of most of the Iranians; the wide spread of the term “Zoroastrian” is of post-Sasanian date and even “Mazda-worshipping” is mainly used in limited (e.g., imperial and liturgical) contexts. Iranian Zoroastrians seem to have been identified after the Iranian land they came from (Persians, Parthians, Sogdians, etc.), with the Zoroastrian element of their identity selfunderstood."

• "Historically, the first trace of an Armenian polity is the inclusion of the satrapy of Armina in the Achaemenid Empire."

• "From the period of Alexander to the downfall and partition of the kingdom(s) of Armenia between Sasanian Persia and the Byzantine Empire, Armenia is usually presented as a battle-zone between the two superpowers of the ancient world (Iran in the East and Greeks and Romans in the West). While this is true politically, it is not a very promising perspective culturally, for Armenia and the Armenians clearly and unequivocally participated in Iranian culture."

• "Recently, intensive archaeological study of various sites in the eastern half of Georgia has strengthened the case for a very early inclusion of Iberia in the Iranian political and cultural realm (Knauss 2006), and, like the Armenian sources, Georgian historical sources present a variety of evidence for a long period of intimate interaction between Georgian and Iranian culture. In both cases, this interaction continued after the (early) conversion of the kingdoms to Christianity. The conversion of the Iberian king Mirian III (with his realm) is traditionally dated to the year 337 CE. Georgia too was ruled by families with an Iranian ancestry (Persian and Parthian), who participated in the Iranian dynastic network that dominated the eastern half of the ancient world from Alexander to the end of antiquity."

-- Albert de Jong (2015) "Armenian and Georgian Zoroastrianism" in The Wiley Blackwell Companion to Zoroastrianism; Michael Stausberg, Yuhan Sohrab-Dinshaw Vevaina; Anna Tessmann (ed). John Wiley And Sons Ltd. pp. 119-128[42]

- LouisAragon (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Couldn't have said it better myself. I cringe everytime I see pre-Christian Armenian/Georgian wiki articles (aka 99% of articles) stating that some sort of "local Paganism" was worshipped there. While it is true that they generally didn't practice the "orthodox" variant of the Sasanian priesthood, they still practiced Zoroastrianism nonetheless. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Spot on. Tbh, its the most important reason why no one wanted to touch these articles. Not even with a 10ft pole. Even anno 2019, these factoids remain a pill too big to swallow for many. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Well, we gotta start sometime, and somewhere. Perhaps Mirian III of Iberia? even though he was a Mihranid from Iran proper he is described as a "pagan" (and in the category as well, lol). --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

We all wuz pagans 'n shiiet... Great suggestion, I will add it to my to-do list. Btw, I was wondering, would you be willing to create an article about the office of Bidaxs/Pitiakhsh? - LouisAragon (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Just sent you some new material in relation to Kavad I and Adurbadagan. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Awesome, thanks mate. The Sasanian-Caucasian articles are in dire need of expansion indeed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

They surely do. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Btw [43]. Not sure if you've already sent me this. There's more [44]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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@Vanamonde93: Not gonna lie, I don't really get it lol. Anyhow, if it helps to reduce the constant pov-pushing then thank the heavens u guys are finally taking action. Only took a few years. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Better late than never; but what is it you don't get? Vanamonde (Talk) 01:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, it's a combination of my brain being a bit dead due to lack of sleep, and that I've never really been arsed to delve into how Wikipedia sanctions/boards and that all work. Is this some kind of watchlist over said editors or are these actual real sanctions being implemented that somehow restrict the freedom of said users in post-1978 Iranian politics stuff? --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The details of how this works are at WP:GS. Essentially, this authorizes admins to impose individual or page-level sanctions at their discretion, ie without needing community consensus first, when the behavior of editors falls below expected standards. In practice, this means that those standards are stricter than they would be elsewhere. So, if you're editing within policy; you're not restricted at all; if you're not, you can expect a sanction soon. I hope that helps. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I see, hopefully it shouldn't be easy to WP:GAME. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Btw, could you please take a look at this [45] [46] --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP address, because their behavior was terrible. For future reference, though; please also warn disruptive editors when you revert them, using the escalating five-level warnings; and if they have received a final warning, report them to WP:AIV. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Well, where can I find the template for the five-level warnings? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Twinkle does it for you, you just have to pick the level of the warning you want to post on disruptive editors' talk pages. Do you use Twinkle ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

As Wikaviani said, Twinkle makes this process a lot easier; but if you're disinclined to use it, the relevant templates should all be listed at Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Multi-level_templates. Please take care to use the right one, regardless of whether you use twinkle or not. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Wrong button?

Hey, i guess you reverted me while i had reverted the IP who was making unsourced changes. No worries though, but please take a look at your last revert at King of kings to be sure that this was what you meant to do. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Think we reverted at the same time or I accidentally saw the IP's name instead of yours. Anyhow I've restored it now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:38, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah, ok, thanks.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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Iranian rulers in the Persian Wikipedi

Hi dear HistoryofIran,
First, please accept my apologies for the delay. Due to your discussion with Ladsgroup about Iranian rulers in the Persian Wikipedia, If you still want to collaborate, email me. Best regards -- ImanFakhri^Talk 02:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@ImanFakhri: Hi mate. I've mailed you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Kavad I for OTD

Hello. Do you think you will be done with your editing of Kavad I before 13 September (UTC)? I was thinking of adding the article to the list of births/deaths for WP:Selected anniversaries/September 13. If yes, I just need citations for his date of death and for the family tree. If not, then I will find another article to feature. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 23:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Howcheng: Hi. Yes I believe so. The source for his date of death is at [49] (chapter XXI, which I will add in the main text shortly). But I don't really see the necessity of adding citations on his family tree? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:31, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

The way I see it, a family tree is a statement of fact, that person A is a descendant person B. Thus, it should be cited. You can see discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive69#References for Ancestry sections. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 23:42, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Edits

Hi HistoryofIran. You have to be a bit more tolerant of the edits of others. You keep reverting me in these articles. For example, I'm afraid not showing the Kushan type coins of Hormizd is a disservice to the reader. And millions of Wikipedia articles have galleries, there no rule against these (especially a small gallery of three photographs...). Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, I am. I don't mean to be mean/rude, but I'm not the first editor to revert you when it comes to too many images. Also, two of the images you added were practically the same. If you want to add it, then please do so in a more thorough way. I've just re-added one of the coins. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

That was precisely my point, this article lacks key visual information which is otherwise discussed in the article... like "deity Oēšo (Shiva) on the reverse"... what does this mean if you can't visualize it???... Thanks for the correction.पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: I'm sure we could get a few more lines of space for a extra image if we for starters remove the huge block of text in the image description and added it in the main text with a reliable source (like Peroz I Kushanshah, where the part regarding his coin mints fills 5 lines). Anyways the Hormizd I Kushanshah article is far from complete, there's still more to be added. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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Conquests

That was fast! ... and sorry for meddling into this stuff, but it had been bothering me for a while. Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I am briefly jobless and thus have no life atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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Peroz III Kushanshah

Peroz III Kushanshah, rather than a Kushano-Sasanian, actually seems to be one of the first Kidarite rulers according to recent sources, quite unanimously it seems. I guess we are going to have to rename him something like Peroz (Kidarite). What do you think? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 06:58, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: If there is a general consensus amongst scholars that he was Kidarite, then suer. If it is a possibility and remains uncertain, then no. --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify, even your preferred and most recent source Khodadad Rezakhani affirms it as a settled fact now: "Kidara and a certain Peroz (previously called Peroz 3; Cribb 1990"), the first Kidarite authorities". Also "the "Kidarite" ruler Peroz (III)" "Peroz, Kidarite king, c ad 360" "In the Punjab the stylistic progression of the gold series from Kushan to Kidarite is clear: imitation staters were issued first in the name of Samudragupta,'25 then by Kirada, 'Peroz' and finally Kidara" Do you have recent sources that actually dispute this notion? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 11:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

If thats the case then go ahead. I'm not too interested to delve into it tbh, I trust that you know what you're doing. HistoryofIran (talk)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Btw, I'm really beginning to doubt that the Kushano-Sasanians ruled Sogdia, since recent sources don't seem to indicate that, and also due to the fact that Sogdia and Bactria/Tukharistan were separated by the Oxus river, making it a rather awkward area to rule for the Kushano-Sasanians, whose northern extent seems to have been Tukharistan and Merv. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:55, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Good question. I don't know at this point, except for the fact that they minted coins in Merv as well as Balkh, which suggests some sort of territorial control in the vicinity, but not necessarily. In a related matter, I also don't know what to do with this map, which shows the Kushano-Sasanians entrenched in Sindh after the arrival of the Kidarites, circa 400 (!).पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Yeah a lot of this style of maps are heavily inaccurate. Also, Ardashir II Kushanshah and Varahran II Kushanshah doesn't seem to have existed, at least per recent sources such as Cribb and Rezakhani, thoughts? (btw I say we should mainly try to use new sources that actually specialize in this field, thus not Mehrdad Kia, and the Cambridge History of Iran is pretty outtdated nowadays). --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:15, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Coin captions

In high quality articles, it is standard practice to add as a caption detailed descriptions of the coins being shown (see for example Cleopatra). Why? Because when commenting about the details of a coin, nothing beats having the text right next to image, rather than drowned somewhere in the body of the article. It is generally not a good idea to separate a text from its illustration... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:56, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes it is like that on Cleopatra, but at the same time it's not like that on many other articles. I would say it ultimately depends on the article. In an article regarding a obscure figure we barely have any information about, it would be better to have it the main text. If the reader actually reads the article, I'm sure the image makes sense as well. Also no need to make the images go above 300, I'm sure the readers won't miss them. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is not the way it is normally done. The standard practice is to use the body of the article to describe the analysis and conclusions made by historians in a literary fashion, but to use coin captions to make a purely factual, non verbiose, description of the content of the coins in question, with a standard Obverse/ Reverse description of the coin devices, attached to the image. This is the only way you can properly identify and show the location of the devices discussed in the body of the article. Detailed captions might not be necessary in articles where coins do not play a major role and can only be used as illustration, but precise coin descriptions are important for rulers such as the Kushano-Sasanians, because we basically only know these guys from their coinage. Most deductions of historians about their rule is based on their coinage: the scripts they used, the legends, the symbols and their position, the costumes... I'll try to make it more compact though. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Well I disagree regarding this so called standard practice part. I have myself no problem in the front and reverse being described in brief detail in the image description (which is what I usually see on articles and do myself) whilst the more detailed stuff is in the main text. Imho this works much better, especially for very short articles, where there is barely space for a single image. --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hormizd II Kushanshah

Hormazd Kushanshah II coin

Hi History of Iran. The coin you have uploaded for Hormizd II Kushanshah is actually a non-Commercial license, so you'll have to delete it from Commons. However I've found this one. Photographically it's less perfect, but the details of the coin are actually better, especially the crown. Not too bad for a bronze coin of this little known ruler... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Wut, from my understanding, it's no different from the other coins uploaded from the site, such as [50]? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

If you look at the bottom of the page it says "All images licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.". So it's impossible to use of Wiki (sadly) ... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: I see, but at the same time it says it says "public domain mark" and "no copyright" under rights. @LouisAragon: thoughts? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I see, it might just be the secondary site Mantis that places non-commercial licences on its content... we'd have to find under what status the American Numismatic Society actually releases its images. I'm not aware that their content is free, but I'll try to check. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:42, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

So... Mantis is apparently the database service of the American Numismatics Society. They place all their content under a CC4.0 non-commercial licence. But indeed, some of the coins on their site have this mention "public domain mark" (sic) and "no copyright", which, by the way, is not a legal format at all. I agree it's a bit of a mystery. The individual notices probably superseed the global one... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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You really deserve it. I honestly don't know where you get the patience to always deal with these idiots.
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Thank you! Tbh I really don't know it myself ;). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Varahran I Kushanshah

Hi HistoryofIran. I am trying to reconcile the presence of Shapur II in the east, and the fact that the Kidarites minted silver coins of Varahran I Kushanshah in Gandhara (Cribb, 2018, p.23). Could it be that Shapur II's base was really around the Kabul region (as suggested by mints, also Cribb), or that he just made a very brief foray into Gandhara at one point? In case you're interested... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Varahran I did not rule in Gandhara, that seems pretty clear to me. It could just be the Kidarites that circulated their coins in Tukharistan to Gandhara. Shapur II's main base was at Kabulistan, however he did for some time rule Gandhara, as stated by ancient and modern sources. Also, please see the Kidarite source I sent - the Kidarites continued the role of Kushano-Sasanians at least under Shapur II. Perhaps [51] could be of use as well. Also for the love of everything that's holy please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images - some of the other articles I've been editing lately such as Darius I had image spam added by you as well, it's getting tiring to clean up after. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hi HistoryofIran, I thought you had done quite enough on King Phraates to warrant the article being GA. Shorter articles can clearly be rated as GA (have a quick look at Ricberht of East Anglia, my article about a man who may have king of a small obscure country, and of which almost nothing at all is known). Best wishes, and keep up the flow of GANs, Amitchell125 (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I see, once again thank you very much for your avid reviews! Really appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:55, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Revert for small changes in iranian history

Sorry about earlier, im new on wikipedia and not really familiar with the features yet. Anyways the main point is, since the safavid empire is considered as a persian empire by many authentic scholars it therefore make sense they had persian ancestry along with kurdish. Same thing goes for other dynasties considered as persian empires such as qajars and afsharids. Many of iranian dynasties are included on turkic history page which shouldn't be there, as the persianated term suggest they were identified with persian language and culture, so these dynasties are associated with iranian people more than turkic. About the sources, since in every article it suggests that safavids, afshars and qajars are regarded as persian empire, then they definetly had persian ancestry as well. Persianated societies are mainly concentrated on iranian culture and language as well, the roots doesn't really give the reader clear idea as in every page of these dynasties it starts with *persianised turkic state*, isn't persianised simply means they were indeed persian and hold the identity as well? Please correct me if you have different perspective about this. Mohammed bushehri (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't have time to teach you about Iranian history and how Wikipedia works. Please read the rules (such as Wikipedia:No original research), they will help you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, i didn't ask for historical lecture about my people's history. My concern was in what way my argument regarding persianised states is wrong as the term itself refers to recognising persian identity of the dynasty. Thank you for the response anyways. Mohammed bushehri (talk) 00:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Mohammed bushehri: I see, good day to you sir. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:31, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Shapur I

Hello HistoryofIran! First of all, thanks for the new image you provided us. I hope we find soon better images to substitute the others ones not so good I used before. Now, about this edition, according to Alram, Michael (2008). «Early Sasanian Coinage». In: Curtis, Vesta Sarkhosh; Stewart, Sarah. The Sasanian Era - The Idea of Iran Volume III. Londres; Nova Iorque: I.B.Tauris & Co. Ltd., Shapur used on his inscriptions the title of king of kings of Aryans and non-Aryans. Hormizd I, on the other hand, only took the title and used on coins. The creator was Shapur I. Cheers.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 01:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up mate. Hope all is well! --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Kavad I

Hello:

Let me know when you are finished working on Kavad I and I will continue the copy edit requested from the Guild of Copy Editors.

Thank you Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Sure thing, thank you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Do you think you could fill in the Edit Summary field when you make an edit? It's can be really helpful for other editors. Thanks. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Masih Alinejad

Can you show a link that actually works rather than one that gets an error 404. The site says the article doesn't exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbahman (talk • contribs) 13:14, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Alexbahman: Huh? All you have to do is to click on the link [52]. Are you done? Or shall I report you for removal of sourced information and edit warring? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: no need to issue threats. All you have to do is click on the link, as I did. After 5 seconds or so, the article vanishes. The site instead says error 404, the article doesn't exist. --AlexBahman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbahman (talk • contribs) 18:02, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Alexbahman: The article does exist though. This sounds more like a problem with your computer. You need a subscription to view the whole text, however. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I've registered with the site. I've used multiple computers. The site says error 404. No such article exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbahman (talk • contribs) 03:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Actually the article did exist but is now been deleted by the newspaper in question.

• copyvio removed

@Alexbahman:, I find it very odd that a "new user" called user:WhiteWednesdays arrives to continue your edit war with HistoryofIran. FYI, using a sock to edit war can result in a block or ban, so do not be surprised if "someone" files an SPI(sockpuppet investigation) on you and this "new user". --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Easy peasy lemon squeezy. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Shah Mohammad Hussain

Hello my friend, I searched a few sites to complete the list of Safavid kings. I have a strange case of Shah Mohammad Hussein who ruled in Mazandaran from 1750 to 1757. Do you have information about this king? http://www.royalark.net/Persia/safawi5.htm This is also the site link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.124.27.171 (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, that site is not an academic source, and thus isn't considered reliable. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Do you know the name of Sultan Hussein's mother? Whatever I look for in the sources is not the name of this woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.123.231.72 (talk) 13:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Kavad I

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Twofingered Typist (talk) 21:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Quite an improvement, thank you very much! Appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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Greek form of Khwarazm

Out of curiosity, why did you not want to include the Greek form of the name for Khwarazm, which explains the term Chorasmia in English? I thought it was odd that only that transliteration had been deleted.

Edit: think I figured it out--- the Greek is included in the Names section.

TheLateDentarthurdent (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not significant enough to be in the lead. Etymology section, however, is fine - I usually add Greek transliterations myself in sections like that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sanandaj

Dear friend, these are the only resourc you do not accept, so what is the solution? Alijamal1357 (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

STOP spamming me. I'm not here to educate you about how this site works. Read WP:RELIABILITY and leave my talk page alone. Keep spamming me and I will report you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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Qizil Arslan

Can you exactly explain how it isn't an improvement. Qızıl has not the same meaning with Turkish word "kızıl" which means red, but means gold in Azerbaijani and other Turkic languages. Beshogur (talk) 22:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

He is called the "red lion" by Ibn al-Athir. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes I made a research, found same thing. Sorry for disturbing. Beshogur (talk) 22:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I should have added a citation back then. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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Wut? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Phraates III

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Woah, that was fast. Thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you very much mate, and likewise :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:29, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Dokhtar Castle

Hello my english is not good، I wrote in Persian as if you were not eager to reply، I transferred this article That you didn't agree with، I transferred again Without knowing the reason! Can you explain to me؟ Thank you M.k.m2003 (talk) 15:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? You moved the article without any form of discussion. Please don't revert and instead try to reach consensus on the talk page of the article, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you very much, and likewise :D. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Beth Aramaye and Asoristan

Hello HistoryofIran. First of all, late Happy New Year's wishes. That you might contribute as much as you already did. My point now is about Asoristan and Beth Aramaye. Cross-checking the Irannica articles, it seems we are talking about the same thing, but with different names. Āsōristān, in Aramaic called Bēṯ Aramāyē, was largely identical with the old country of Babylonia. and BĒṮ ĀRAMAYĒ, lit. “land of the Arameans,” the region and Sasanian province of Āsōristān. The article Asoristan already mentions the association of both names. I don't see, in the case, any good reason to have a separate article to Beth Aramaye.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 01:14, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I see, thanks for notifying me. And Happy New Year to you as well :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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Shah Ismael being Kurdish topic

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