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The result was '''keep'''. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 21:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event|People notable for only one event]]/ [[WP:BLP1E]] We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met, Subjects meets all 3 points. Wikipedia article are about subjects that are notable and the nationality of the subjects does not influence or change the criteria for notability. Either the subject is notable or not. Mr.Makokis, fits the guidelines of [[WP:BLP1E]]. The subject participated in the Amazing Race. There are no guidelines for winners of a TV reality show, in fact if we can look at the failed proposal here: [[Wikipedia:Notability (Reality Television participants)]]. Winners of tv reality shows do not justify creating a Wikipedia page. The subject remains a low-profile individual, with a modest following on social media (less than 10K) [https://www.instagram.com/creeture82/?hl=en] with a average of 10 comments per post, indicating that the subject does not have a "cult" following. As per [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Any biography]], the subject did not received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has not been nominated for such an award several times. [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Entertainers]], the subject has not had a significant roles in ''multiple'' notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions and does not have a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. The subject did receive some coverage about his career and his passage on the amazing race, but ultimately he received coverage for his TV reality passage. The event(s) he was involved with are not significant, such has The Amazing Race or his career, therefore in my opinion a stand alone article on the subject is not needed, or at best case scenario, we could do a redirect to [[The Amazing Race 7|The Amazing Race Canada Season 7]], but I do not think it's pertinent. [[User:Lethweimaster|Lethweimaster]] ([[User talk:Lethweimaster|talk]]) |
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* 2. If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article. |
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* 3. If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant and his role was both substantial and well documented. |
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*'''Strong keep''' Wikipedia is woefully lacking in articles about indigineous people and this article is about a notable individual. See [https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/a-cree-doctors-caring-approach-for-transgender-patients this] which is more than significant coverage, as is [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2019/09/19/our-existences-are-political-what-it-means-that-gay-indigenous-couple-won-canadas-amazing-race/ this]. [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 17:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Strong keep''' Wikipedia is woefully lacking in articles about indigineous people and this article is about a notable individual. See [https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/a-cree-doctors-caring-approach-for-transgender-patients this] which is more than significant coverage, as is [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2019/09/19/our-existences-are-political-what-it-means-that-gay-indigenous-couple-won-canadas-amazing-race/ this]. [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 17:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak Keep''' I'm not entirely sure if this would be an individual only notable for one event. Appears to meet [[WP:BASIC]], and as noted above, there is significant coverage available. [[User:Sneakerheadguy|Sneakerheadguy]] ([[User talk:Sneakerheadguy|talk]]) 21:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* <s>'''Keep''': meets BASIC and ANYBIO. [[User:The Ace in Spades|The Ace in Spades]] ([[User talk:The Ace in Spades|talk]]) 12:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)</s> <small>— [[User:The Ace in Spades|The Ace in Spades]] ([[User talk:The Ace in Spades|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The Ace in Spades|contribs]]) is a confirmed [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Waskerton|sock puppet]] of [[User:Waskerton|Waskerton]] ([[User talk:Waskerton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Waskerton|contribs]]). </small> |
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*'''Weak Keep''' as per Sneakerheadguy [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 16:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' - After a BEFORE search, it's clear that this individual meets GNG and BASIC, as they have received SIGCOV in reliable sources independent of the subject. {{u|Praxidicae}} has found good indepth coverage. They are not just notable for one event. I've just added two additional citations to the article. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 15:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* '''Keep''': Not [[WP:1E]] and comfortably passes [[WP:BASIC]]. ''[[User:JavaHurricane| <span style = "color:green">Java</span>]][[User talk:JavaHurricane|<span style = "color:red">Hurricane</span>]]'' 06:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC) <!--VCB JavaHurricane--> |
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Latest revision as of 21:42, 4 January 2021
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete People notable for only one event/ WP:BLP1E We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met, Subjects meets all 3 points. Wikipedia article are about subjects that are notable and the nationality of the subjects does not influence or change the criteria for notability. Either the subject is notable or not. Mr.Makokis, fits the guidelines of WP:BLP1E. The subject participated in the Amazing Race. There are no guidelines for winners of a TV reality show, in fact if we can look at the failed proposal here: Wikipedia:Notability (Reality Television participants). Winners of tv reality shows do not justify creating a Wikipedia page. The subject remains a low-profile individual, with a modest following on social media (less than 10K) [1] with a average of 10 comments per post, indicating that the subject does not have a "cult" following. As per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Any biography, the subject did not received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has not been nominated for such an award several times. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Entertainers, the subject has not had a significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions and does not have a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. The subject did receive some coverage about his career and his passage on the amazing race, but ultimately he received coverage for his TV reality passage. The event(s) he was involved with are not significant, such has The Amazing Race or his career, therefore in my opinion a stand alone article on the subject is not needed, or at best case scenario, we could do a redirect to The Amazing Race Canada Season 7, but I do not think it's pertinent. Lethweimaster (talk)
- Strong keep Wikipedia is woefully lacking in articles about indigineous people and this article is about a notable individual. See this which is more than significant coverage, as is this. Praxidicae (talk) 17:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I'm not entirely sure if this would be an individual only notable for one event. Appears to meet WP:BASIC, and as noted above, there is significant coverage available. Sneakerheadguy (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 December 14. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 17:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Engr. Smitty Werben 17:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Engr. Smitty Werben 17:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alberta-related deletion discussions. Engr. Smitty Werben 17:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Keep: meets BASIC and ANYBIO. The Ace in Spades (talk) 12:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)— The Ace in Spades (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talk • contribs).- Weak Keep as per Sneakerheadguy KylieTastic (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - After a BEFORE search, it's clear that this individual meets GNG and BASIC, as they have received SIGCOV in reliable sources independent of the subject. Praxidicae has found good indepth coverage. They are not just notable for one event. I've just added two additional citations to the article. Netherzone (talk) 15:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To see if we can come up with a stronger consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Onel5969 TT me 23:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To see if we can come up with a stronger consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Onel5969 TT me 23:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Not WP:1E and comfortably passes WP:BASIC. JavaHurricane 06:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.