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== Purchase/Download == |
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There should be a column to redirect to official purchase/download page. I respect that this wouldn't be added due to large pirate communities. [[User:XAELOR|Xaelor]] ([[User talk:XAELOR|talk]]) 15:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:We don't link to storefronts, since for some platforms there are multiple places to buy a game. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Not only that, but it would violate [[WP:NOTPROMO]]. External links also work for games that are officially available online for free. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 23:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Differentiate between gameplay genre and story genre == |
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There should be separate sections for a game's gameplay genre and story genre. |
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For example, the gameplay genre of the [[Mario & Luigi|''Mario & Luigi'']] series is [[Role-playing video game|RPG]], but the story genre is [[action comedy]]. [[User:Benpiano800|Benpiano800]] ([[User talk:Benpiano800|talk]]) 04:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:Though I do suppose this would be redundant with genres like [[Action-adventure game|action-adventure]]. [[User:Benpiano800|Benpiano800]] ([[User talk:Benpiano800|talk]]) 04:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:Video games are routinely '''not''' characterized by their narrative genre, outside of [[horror game]] which intermixes the narrative and gameplay genre. So we avoid trying to use narrative genres. Also, knowing the mess these tend to cause for films and other works, that also draws a lot of original research and excessive flooding of genre descriptors, so its probably better we have avoided that. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 12:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I agree. But I don't know that Wikipedia is the correct place to start improving games categorization, that there is such a place, or that prescription would be effective. [[User:Unknow0059|Unknow0059]] ([[User talk:Unknow0059|talk]]) 02:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Release dates == |
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The infobox guidelines clearly stated that we should not list port developers. A common way to circumvent this guideline is to use notelist, which IMO is pretty much the same thing. I think it is due time to discuss whether using notelist to circumvent this guideline should be considered to be acceptable, either updating the guidelines descriptions (explicitly say that it is ok to list them with notes), or reaffirming that the infobox should only list solely the lead developer, and nothing else. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 19:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:I’d be happy with making it more explicit. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #ad3e00;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #ad3e00;">talk</span>]]</small></sup> 19:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Think should be okay to include as notes, gives them less prominence but still includes so seems like good balance. Examples of including port developer as notes include good articles [[Horizon Zero Dawn]] and [[The Last of Us Part I]], and featured article [[Spider-Man (2018 video game)]]. Note it's template documentation, not a guideline as you say, big difference as guidelines have more process for consensus. [[User:Indagate|Indagate]] ([[User talk:Indagate|talk]]) 20:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::That's a big [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] to be honest, not to mention that HZD and Spider-Man both have their notes added ''after'' their GAN/FAC. Circumventing an existing template documentation ''is'' breaking a consensus. It doesn't matter if it is a policy, a guideline, a talk page discussion, or a template documentation. I don't see how this should be accepted ''if'' the consensus here doesn't change. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 05:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::What makes you think there is consensus that footnotes are not OK? It's not mentioned at all in the template documentation. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 10:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::This is such an established pattern that, absent something that explicitly forbids it, it has essentially become silent consensus at this point. We can of course arrive at a new consensus forbidding it, but I don't think the EFN usage is "breaking" a consensus so much as slipping through a loophole in the intent. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 15:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I disagree that it's breaking the intent. I interpret the intent here as to prevent long infoboxes, which the footnote doesn't contribute to. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 17:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::That's why I think the infobox documentation should be more ''explicit'' about this if there is a consensus for it. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 03:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Agreed [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 05:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' adding text that prohibits footnotes. Using them seems to be a generally accepted practice. I've never heard a complaint. Ports can be significant, and having the developers footnoted is an easy way to make the information accessible without extending the length of the infobox. Some pages that do this: |
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:* [[Chrono Trigger]] (FA) |
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:* [[Cave Story]] (FA) |
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:* [[Silent Hill 2]] (GA) |
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:* [[Halo: Combat Evolved]] |
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:* [[Halo 2]] (FA) |
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:* [[Half-Life (video game)]] (GA) |
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:* [[Killer7]] (FA) |
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:* [[Resident Evil 5]] (FA) |
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:* [[System Shock]] (FA) |
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:* [[Silent Hill 4: The Room]] (FA) |
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:* [[Phantasmagoria (video game)]] (FA) |
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:[[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 05:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::*Did any of the above have them when they were made FA? I know the ''Halo'' games definitely didn't, and my impression is that sticking them in the infobox is a relatively recent phenomenon. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #ad3e00;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #ad3e00;">talk</span>]]</small></sup> 21:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Alongside release date, How about a new field for discontinued date? [[Special:Contributions/92.16.43.192|92.16.43.192]] ([[User talk:92.16.43.192|talk]]) 23:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Age ratings need to be implemented! == |
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== Add Age Rating Field == |
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Age ratings needs to be a part of the standard template for video games. I think this should be obvious. |
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(Can someone fix? I don't know how) [[Special:Contributions/2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67|2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67]] ([[User talk:2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67|talk]]) 19:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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ESRB rates games in the US & UK on self-reported data to help inform parents if a given game, its themes and contents are age-appropriate for their children. In Japan, it's CERO. |
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:There are too many age rating systems in the world to be able to include them all in infoboxes. Hence why we (as well as for movies and television shows) do not implement them. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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The infobox for [[Template:Infobox game|tabletop games]] includes a field for Age Range. |
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== Add Sound Design to Video Game credits list == |
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Considering the existence of these regulatory bodies, why doesn't the template for video-games do the same, similar, or better? [[User:Unknow0059|Unknow0059]] ([[User talk:Unknow0059|talk]]) 02:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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I am wondering why there are no entries for Sound Design on your Video Game entries on Wiki. There are entries for other game development roles and even an entry for Composer on each video game, but no entry for Sound Design. I recently tried to add a new Sound Design field in the credits of a video game entry, but my edit was removed. Can we please add a new entry for Sound Design in the Video Game credits list. [[User:SoundCredit|SoundCredit]] ([[User talk:SoundCredit|talk]]) 11:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:It's been asked for numerous times - it's even in the FAQ at the top of this page - but I can't see it happening anytime soon, as the template needs to take a wide view of things. It's still the case that the vast majority of sound designers are not referenced in reliable sources. Anything in the infobox needs to be referenced in the prose section of the article. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 11:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for getting back to me. |
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::So, this should be addressed, there are pleny of reliable sources for sound designers on video games these days, and there are already entries for the music composer on video games and not all games even have composers, so this seems a bit out dated. |
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::If you want a reliable source for video game credits take a look at Moby Games. |
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::Anyway, could you advice me on how I can get this sorted out ? |
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::Thanks [[User:SoundCredit|SoundCredit]] ([[User talk:SoundCredit|talk]]) 11:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::You seem to be asking for this because your goal in editing is to insert your own company into infoboxes. Without a non-promotional reason to consider this, I doubt anyone is going to give it serious thought. Note as well that Moby Games is an unreliable source for us, per [[WP:USERG]]. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 14:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::ok, thanks for getting back to me [[User:SoundCredit|SoundCredit]] ([[User talk:SoundCredit|talk]]) 16:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Purchase/Download
[edit]There should be a column to redirect to official purchase/download page. I respect that this wouldn't be added due to large pirate communities. Xaelor (talk) 15:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- We don't link to storefronts, since for some platforms there are multiple places to buy a game. Masem (t) 15:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- And of course for every platform at least one. IceWelder [✉] 18:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not only that, but it would violate WP:NOTPROMO. External links also work for games that are officially available online for free. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- And of course for every platform at least one. IceWelder [✉] 18:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Differentiate between gameplay genre and story genre
[edit]There should be separate sections for a game's gameplay genre and story genre.
For example, the gameplay genre of the Mario & Luigi series is RPG, but the story genre is action comedy. Benpiano800 (talk) 04:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Though I do suppose this would be redundant with genres like action-adventure. Benpiano800 (talk) 04:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Video games are routinely not characterized by their narrative genre, outside of horror game which intermixes the narrative and gameplay genre. So we avoid trying to use narrative genres. Also, knowing the mess these tend to cause for films and other works, that also draws a lot of original research and excessive flooding of genre descriptors, so its probably better we have avoided that. Masem (t) 12:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. But I don't know that Wikipedia is the correct place to start improving games categorization, that there is such a place, or that prescription would be effective. Unknow0059 (talk) 02:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Release dates
[edit]Alongside release date, How about a new field for discontinued date? 92.16.43.192 (talk) 23:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Add Age Rating Field
[edit]ESRB rates games in the US & UK on self-reported data to help inform parents if a given game, its themes and contents are age-appropriate for their children. In Japan, it's CERO.
The infobox for tabletop games includes a field for Age Range.
Considering the existence of these regulatory bodies, why doesn't the template for video-games do the same, similar, or better? Unknow0059 (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)