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== Edward the Elder == |
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== Distuberd by your actions on my updates / Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport == |
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Why did you repipe the links at Edward the Elder? [[User:Векочел|Векочел]] ([[User talk:Векочел|talk]]) 20:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC) |
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I find it quite DISTURBING that you are: |
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- removing current links (I've updated the page with relevant up to date links) |
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- adding "independent" links which funnily enough come from 1 (one) web site only!? |
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- consider a 3rd party web site to have more relevant information than the airline company itself - if the company announces a service on it's web page, why do we care about a 3rd party web site, which is relying on the airline information. And why is it just 1 site that you are prioritizing? |
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== Paywall/deadlink == |
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I am shocked, and honestly, quite disturbed by this fact. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 11:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::As ALL the links you are posting lead to ONE web site ONLY, I am under the impression that you have INTEREST in it. |
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::In case AN OFFICIAL SOURCE is used, it has move value than what you claim to be an independent source. |
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::Pls. stop what you are doing, or you will be REPORTED for vandalizing the page. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 06:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Furtheremore, I have updated several dead links with actual links. For reason known only to you, you have removed those links, and vandalized with dead links. |
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::For the record. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 06:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links |
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::::Enough said. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::This user is adding IRRELEVANT links to the page, and is vandalizing pages in the process: |
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::::::- 2, 3, 5, 10 years dead links. When adding new, up to date links, the user reverts to non existing content |
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::::::- adding 1 (ONE) web site as a source. The user claims this to be an independent source, but there seem to be ULTERIOR motives behind this - it's the only guess I can make. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 07:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::(from [[WP:AIV]]) Hi. Looking at [https://www.exyuaviation.com/p/about-ex-yu-aviation-news.html their About page], we're talking about a [[WP:SPS|self-published source]] by someone on the Internet on a [[Blogger_(service)|Blogger]] blog. It is reasonable to argue that an airline's official website is a more reliable source for airline destinations than someone's Blogger blog. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 08:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::This is not always correct, and both pages use the wording "largely not acceptable" to refer to your currently preferred type of source. [[WP:RS]] contains [[WP:SELFSOURCE]] as an exception that encompasses the official website but not someone else's blog. Regarding the edit warring, it seems you have contributed to it for no good reason. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 09:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Thank you! I have been trying to explain to the user that posting links from 1 (one) website only (and which on top is a blog) does not make sense over posting official confirmation from the airline. |
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:::::::::::Furthermore, the user kept bringing back dead links, even after I replaced them with actual links. I can prove this if necessary (in spite of the users claims to the contrary). [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 12:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::{{u|Algoritam1}}, the situation is less simple than it may have seemed first. For example, the edit summary of [[Special:Diff/1232608307]] refers to the external links guideline, which is not applicable to the dispute about <em>references</em>, as described in bold text in its introduction. The edit summary of [[Special:Diff/1232531462]] makes an accusation of vandalism, which means intentional damage to the encyclopedia that simply hasn't happened here. [[Special:Diff/1232181570]] seems to remove references that have actually been used for adding content to the page and thus should be mentioned as long as that content is still present, or until a replacement source providing the same information has been found. |
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::::::::::::If I add "Person X did Y" to an article, citing the [[WP:DAILYMAIL|known-unreliable Daily Mail]] as the source for my claim, then the right response would be removing the entire sentence <em>and</em> the unsuitable reference. Or, if the [[WP:RSP#The_Guardian|known-reliable Guardian]] said the same thing, it would be equally fine to replace the Daily Mail citation by a Guardian citation. Your approach in [[Special:Diff/1232181570]] appears to remove references without actually fixing the problem, only making the problem less visible. It is almost never a good idea to remove bad citations without touching the content taken from them. |
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::::::::::::You have created a discussion at [[Talk:Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport]], that's a good step. You have discussed a multi-article dispute with at least one user you've been in conflict with; this is also not bad. The [[WP:DR|dispute resolution policy]] contains general advice. As [[WP:EW|edit warring]] is not part of the advice and is disruptive even if you are right, I'm happy to see that it has stopped. |
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::::::::::::About the "dead links" problem, some links are inaccessible from some countries. I can't access some US websites because they're still afraid of the EU's [[GDPR]], "working" on a solution since 2018. Adding "web.archive.org/save/" in front of the URL sometimes already solves the problem. And if there's a specific link you are referring to, please do say which one(s). [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 14:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::By now, I have replaced a number of links by others, so that at least the argument "all of one site" is not valid any more. And my "ulterior motive" is just to have a reliable encyclopedia, sourced with independent sources. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The Banner</span>]] [[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 16:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Hey, regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Winky_Hicks&diff=prev&oldid=1242410123 this], it said the page didn't exist, not that I needed to pay for it. What am I missing? <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">[[User:LadyofShalott|<span style="color: #442288">Lady</span>]]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>[[User_Talk:LadyofShalott|<span style="color: #cc2288">Shalott</span>]]</span> 21:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== ''The Signpost'': 4 July 2024 == |
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::No. <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">[[User:LadyofShalott|<span style="color: #442288">Lady</span>]]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>[[User_Talk:LadyofShalott|<span style="color: #cc2288">Shalott</span>]]</span> 13:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Okinawa == |
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Hi there. First, I do not disagree with you reverting the conversion to the dab. Probably should be discussed. That being said, I began to slog through through dab links it created this morning, and I have to say that only about 30% categorically should have been redirected to the prefecture. About 40% I redirected to the island. 20-25% were ambiguous, and could have referred to either the island or the prefecture. The rest went to the island chain or the city. If it did go to a discussion, I'd probably agree with it being a dab, based on my experience this morning. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 19:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :5350 links to disambiguation pages is just not okay. That makes this undiscussed change contentious. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The Banner</span>]] [[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 00:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :And I can not stand it when somebody changes a redirect to a dab-page and then leaves it to others to clean the mess up. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The Banner</span>]] [[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 09:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, agreed regarding letting others clean up. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 10:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Independent Sources == |
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Can you provide any link or redirect to a article that show a consensus that all information about airport and airline articles need to be only using independent sources? [[User:Metrosfan|Metrosfan]] ([[User talk:Metrosfan|talk]]) 14:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:The Banner|The Banner]] which section is the information in? Thanks [[User:Metrosfan|Metrosfan]] ([[User talk:Metrosfan|talk]]) 15:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Edward the Elder
[edit]Why did you repipe the links at Edward the Elder? Векочел (talk) 20:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because I made a mistake. The Banner talk 21:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Paywall/deadlink
[edit]Hey, regarding this, it said the page didn't exist, not that I needed to pay for it. What am I missing? LadyofShalott 21:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did you try to get a subscription to their service to gain access? The Banner talk 08:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. LadyofShalott 13:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- So you do not know if the page still exists behind the paywall. The Banner talk 23:39, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. LadyofShalott 13:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Okinawa
[edit]Hi there. First, I do not disagree with you reverting the conversion to the dab. Probably should be discussed. That being said, I began to slog through through dab links it created this morning, and I have to say that only about 30% categorically should have been redirected to the prefecture. About 40% I redirected to the island. 20-25% were ambiguous, and could have referred to either the island or the prefecture. The rest went to the island chain or the city. If it did go to a discussion, I'd probably agree with it being a dab, based on my experience this morning. Onel5969 TT me 19:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- 5350 links to disambiguation pages is just not okay. That makes this undiscussed change contentious. The Banner talk 00:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I can not stand it when somebody changes a redirect to a dab-page and then leaves it to others to clean the mess up. The Banner talk 09:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, agreed regarding letting others clean up. Onel5969 TT me 10:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Independent Sources
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Can you provide any link or redirect to a article that show a consensus that all information about airport and airline articles need to be only using independent sources? Metrosfan (talk) 14:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RS The Banner talk 15:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @The Banner which section is the information in? Thanks Metrosfan (talk) 15:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Did you try searching the word independent? The Banner talk 20:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @The Banner which section is the information in? Thanks Metrosfan (talk) 15:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)