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[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Template:Western Sahara conflict]], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use [[User:Ihabjar123/sandbox|your sandbox]] for that. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-delete2 --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:: The change was richly sourced with the official MINURSO cease fire resolution treating the area east of the berm as a buffer strip which means a neutral area that lies between the two bodies of conflict. |
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:: check please this source form the official MINURSO website stating the area a "BUFFER STRIP" in the “Military Agreement No 1” : https://minurso.unmissions.org/ceasefire-monitoring |
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:[[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 18:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you add [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|unsourced or poorly sourced]] material to Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Free Zone (region)]]. <!-- Template:uw-unsourced4 --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:The change was richly sourced with the official MINURSO cease fire resolution stating the area east of the berm is a buffer strip which means an area that lies between two or more bodies of conflict. |
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:check please this source form the official MINURSO website stating the area a "BUFFER STRIP" in the “Military Agreement No 1” : https://minurso.unmissions.org/ceasefire-monitoring [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 18:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::Either you have no idea what you're talking about or you're going out of your way to misrepresent the sources to push a nationalist POV. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I am a Tunisian doctor in international relations and I studied the Western Sahara conflict the last two years and currently trying to contribute my knowledge that is richly sourced to improve the content about the issue in WIKIPEDIA. [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 18:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Who you claim to be is irrelevant and doesn't justify the utter nonsense that you're selling. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::My motivation is to improve the content in WIKIPEDIA, it will be a rich discussion if you present a source stating that the area is controlled by RASD. |
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:::There is no trusted source stating that the area east of the berm is controlled by RASD, MINURSO and the UN clearly naming the area a "Buffer strip" and "Neutral Zone" supervised by MINURSO since cease fire in 1991. |
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:::https://minurso.unmissions.org/ceasefire-monitoring [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 18:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Instead of making up more nonsense, I suggest you read the source again and if that still doesn't help, ask someone else to do it for you. I'm done here. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 18:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Okay, It is a shame to mislead the public [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 18:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::It is. Nothing on this page says that the SADR do not control the territory. For that matter, they point out that several teams work ''west'' of the berm: does that mean that Morocco do not control the occupied territory??? Did you actually even read the page that you linked? As it states there is a '''five-kilometers-wide buffer strip''' to the side of the berm, not that the entirety of the Liberated Territories are a buffer strip. Very excited to see your answers to these two questions. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Okay, you are saying "Nothing in the link says that the SADR do not control the territory", but is there something there that says SADR controls it ? |
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:::::::you are saying that the MINURSO website states that only "five-kilometers-wide buffer strip east of the berm" and not the entire territory called "liberated" in this WIKIPEDIA article is a buffer strip, Well you are including a 5 km buffer strip in this so called liberated territory so it's false information, also you ignored an additional 30 kilometers east of the berm as a restricted area why not indicate this important information in this WIKIPEDIA article ?? instead of continuing the misinformation of the public regarding this topic. [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 08:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Here is the correct map of the situation showing to the buffer strip and restricted areas : |
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:::::::https://www.flickr.com/photos/western_sahara_project/2276214579 [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 08:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::How is it a liberated area if it includes 30km restricted area + 5 km buffer strip and without any RASD military base or settlement on it ? [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 08:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::I'm not answering your questions if you don't answer mine. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 09:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::So you consider a territory liberated while there is no military bases, no camps and no sign of a settlement of any type of the party claiming it is liberated by? |
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:::::::::I clearly pointed that the area includes a buffer strip and no man's land based on official sources. |
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:::::::::The publisher of the article and you are claiming the area is liberated and controlled by RASD based on what ? [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 09:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I'm not answering your questions if you don't answer mine. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 10:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::We have plenty of reliable sources that say '''the SADR controls the liberated territory''''. Equally, we also countless RS that support the fact that '''Morocco illegally occupies the rest'''. In other words, all this nationalist nonsense of yours is just an utter waste of people's time. |
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::::::::{{re|koavf}} please don't entertain the BS of the SPA. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 09:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Claiming '''Morocco is illegally occupying WESTERN SAHARA''' goes against the UN resolutions that is describing the territory as disputed and not occupied. |
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:::::::::the last occupying force in the territory according to the UN was Spain. |
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:::::::::Now that I know the agenda and narrative @[[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] belongs to I leave the talk hoping WIKIPEDIA being a neutral non biased encyclopedia. [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 09:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::"Claiming Morocco is illegally occupying WESTERN SAHARA goes against the UN resolutions that is describing the territory as disputed and not occupied... |
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::::::::::the last occupying force in the territory according to the UN was Spain." This is not true: the UN has declared Western Sahara occupied in two General Assembly resolutions. E.g. https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/390/38/PDF/NR039038.pdf?OpenElement Please stop posting falsehoods. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 10:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::It is an old resolution passed during a context of rising communism, The General Assembly is not the body authorized to resolve the issue. The security council resolutions are the only ones approved to resolve the Western Sahara issue. |
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:::::::::::Security council resolutions describe the territory as disputed and never described Morocco as colonization force. [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 11:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::{{cn}} ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 11:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::Here is a link to the last security council resolution {2654 (2022)} describing the issue as a long-standing '''dispute''' in it's second page : |
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:::::::::::::https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/S_RES_2654.pdf |
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:::::::::::::"''Recognizing that achieving a political solution to this long-standing '''dispute''' and enhanced cooperation between the Member States of the Maghreb Arab Union would contribute to stability and security".'' |
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:::::::::::::Here is also a link to all UN security council resolutions about Western Sahara where you can't find a sentence describing Morocco as a colonizer: https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/un_documents_type/security-council-resolutions/?ctype=Western%20Sahara&cbtype=western-sahara [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 12:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::That does not prove any of the claims you made in the first two sentences and no one wrote that Morocco were a "colonization force". They occupy someone else's land: it's a fact. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 12:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::Morocco not a colonized force and in the same time occupy someone else's land, how funny this is hahahahah. |
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:::::::::::::::Happy to talk to you biased non-neutral and propaganda spreaders, enjoy your time spreading and defending misinformation in this non-trusted open sourced encyclopedia, Thank god there is official sources online such as Security Council website. [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 13:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::::Oh I definitely did not write that they <em>aren't</em> colonizers: they are. Note where the Security Council site mentions an [https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/monthly-forecast/2015-12/western_sahara_5.php AU legal opinion] about "occupied territories of Western Sahara" and they mention how [https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/monthly-forecast/2012-11/western_sahara.php Morocco stop human rights inspectors] in the "territories occupied by Morocco". Thanks for referring me to this site that explicitly mentions Moroccan occupation multiple times. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 13:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::::What you mentioned is '''AU opinion''', AU means '''African Union''' which is not the body authorized to resolve the issue. |
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:::::::::::::::::'''The security council''' of the '''UN through it's resolutions''' is <u>the only body</u> approved to resolve the Western Sahara issue and is '''not treating or describing Morocco as an occupying force''' of the territory in any of it's resolutions. |
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:::::::::::::::::Your misleading attempts will never change the fact that the security council, the only body approved to resolve the Western Sahara issue, '''is''' '''not treating or describing Morocco as an occupying force''' of the territory. [[User:Ihabjar123|Ihabjar123]] ([[User talk:Ihabjar123#top|talk]]) 13:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Western Sahara conflict]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. |
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Western Sahara conflict]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. |
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Revision as of 16:48, 29 September 2023
There will be no whitewashing of the occupation of Western Sahara, so you either stop edit warring or you'll be reported to the admins. Your choice. M.Bitton (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC) What is your problem with last image? It is more informative than the previous one and is indicating the zone controlled by Morocco "Occupied" the way you like to describe it. Ihabjar123 (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- The problem is with your nationalist nonsense. The fact that Morocco illegally occupies WS is how all the reliable sources describe it. M.Bitton (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yes and the image I put totally goes with your opinion. WHY DELETING IT ? Ihabjar123 (talk) 16:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't intend on wasting my time with nationalist POV pusher.
- @Koavf: the editor has been reported for breaking 3R. M.Bitton (talk) 16:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't intend on wasting my time with nationalist POV pusher.
- Yes and the image I put totally goes with your opinion. WHY DELETING IT ? Ihabjar123 (talk) 16:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Template:Western Sahara conflict. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. M.Bitton (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note that I marked the upload you added to Commons for deletion: you cannot upload someone else's work and claim it as your own and the file you uploaded was completely illegible and invalid SVG. You have to actually understand and follow the rules of these sites if you want to contribute to them. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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