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I have removed the banner for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms|WikiProject Firearms]] because this article appears to be outside the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms#Scope|scope]] of that WikiProject. That WikiProject is about '''firearms''' and includes ''... both broad concepts and specific models, ammunition, manufacturers, organizations, legislation, and historical figures such as inventors and notable gunsmiths associated with such firearms.'' For an article to meet the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms#Criminal use|criminal use]] inclusion criteria, the specific type(s) firearm used needs to be notable. Articles about merely shooting a firearm does not appear to be part of the inclusion criteria for that WikiProject. Please discuss this if you think I am wrong with this judgement. Please see [[WP:PROJSCOPE]] and [[WP:OVERBANNER]] for more guidelines. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe|talk]]) 23:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
I have removed the banner for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms|WikiProject Firearms]] because this article appears to be outside the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms#Scope|scope]] of that WikiProject. That WikiProject is about '''firearms''' and includes ''... both broad concepts and specific models, ammunition, manufacturers, organizations, legislation, and historical figures such as inventors and notable gunsmiths associated with such firearms.'' For an article to meet the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms#Criminal use|criminal use]] inclusion criteria, the specific type(s) firearm used needs to be notable. Articles about merely shooting a firearm does not appear to be part of the inclusion criteria for that WikiProject. Please discuss this if you think I am wrong with this judgement. Please see [[WP:PROJSCOPE]] and [[WP:OVERBANNER]] for more guidelines. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe|talk]]) 23:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTNEWS|not a news website]]. This article appears to a collection of [[WP:ROUTINE|routine]] news reports about shootings across the United States without a common causal factor to tie them together, other than a particular date related to celebrating an American holiday. While the cited [https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-fourth-of-july-deadliest-holiday-20140705-story.html LA Times article] is used to assert ''The Fourth of July is historically one of the nation's deadliest days of the year.'' Actually reading the source reveals that road deaths are the primary reason and that shootings aren’t necessarily part of this fatal trend. I think it is misleading to make such a bold statement in the article without explaining that the shootings do not feature in the underlying research. However, I think that without having that assertion in the article it destroys the reason for having this article in the first place, as one is left with a collection of random shootings with nothing to tie them together. I think it would be more appropriate to write an article about the United States road toll, drownings, of fireworks fatalities on the Fourth of July weekend, rather than shootings, because those causes of death appear to have a heightened risk over this holiday period. For this sort of thing to be notable, one needs [[WP:SUSTAINED|sustained]] coverage over a longer period of time than appears in news coverage for a holiday weekend. It might be better to cover the underlying research about deaths on or about the Fourth of July, or even holidays more generally, over many years, rather than focussing on a single point in time. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe|talk]]) 00:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Outside scope of WikiProject Firearms
I have removed the banner for WikiProject Firearms because this article appears to be outside the scope of that WikiProject. That WikiProject is about firearms and includes ... both broad concepts and specific models, ammunition, manufacturers, organizations, legislation, and historical figures such as inventors and notable gunsmiths associated with such firearms. For an article to meet the criminal use inclusion criteria, the specific type(s) firearm used needs to be notable. Articles about merely shooting a firearm does not appear to be part of the inclusion criteria for that WikiProject. Please discuss this if you think I am wrong with this judgement. Please see WP:PROJSCOPE and WP:OVERBANNER for more guidelines. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a news website
Wikipedia is not a news website. This article appears to a collection of routine news reports about shootings across the United States without a common causal factor to tie them together, other than a particular date related to celebrating an American holiday. While the cited LA Times article is used to assert The Fourth of July is historically one of the nation's deadliest days of the year. Actually reading the source reveals that road deaths are the primary reason and that shootings aren’t necessarily part of this fatal trend. I think it is misleading to make such a bold statement in the article without explaining that the shootings do not feature in the underlying research. However, I think that without having that assertion in the article it destroys the reason for having this article in the first place, as one is left with a collection of random shootings with nothing to tie them together. I think it would be more appropriate to write an article about the United States road toll, drownings, of fireworks fatalities on the Fourth of July weekend, rather than shootings, because those causes of death appear to have a heightened risk over this holiday period. For this sort of thing to be notable, one needs sustained coverage over a longer period of time than appears in news coverage for a holiday weekend. It might be better to cover the underlying research about deaths on or about the Fourth of July, or even holidays more generally, over many years, rather than focussing on a single point in time. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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