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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Josef Wagner (Gauleiter) → Josef Wagner (Nazi) – Most people do not know what a "Gauleiter" is, and "Nazi" sufficiently describes and disambiguates the subject. Hoops gza (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support WP:PRECISE. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 06:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC) and WP:JARGON. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 04:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Gauleiter is in my Merriam-Webster English dictionary, and anyone looking for the article will probably recognize the term. In my view, the disambiguator "Nazi" would be like disambiguating John Tyler as "Independent" or Andrew Johnson as "Democrat". Doremo (talk) 19:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- So it is better to write "Andrew Johnson (Democratic party leader)" ? Since Gauleiter means "Nazi party leader" according to our article on that... 70.24.251.208 (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - A gauleiter was the head of a gau. The term doesn't mean 'Nazi party leader' (that would be something like Führer/Leiter der NSDAP or Parteileiter/Parteiführer); Merriam-Webster defines it as "a district leader of the German National Socialist party formerly serving in his territory as provincial governor." So "Josef Wagner (Gauleiter)" is functionally equivalent to writing "Andrew Johnson (President)" or "Rudy Giuliani (Major)" or "Jimmy Hoffa (Labor Union Leader)". Doremo (talk) 06:35, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - "German National Socialist"

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 **So it is better to write "Andrew Johnson (Democratic party leader)" ? Since [[Gauleiter]] means "Nazi party leader" according to our article on that... [[Special:Contributions/70.24.251.208|70.24.251.208]] ([[User talk:70.24.251.208|talk]]) 12:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 ***A gauleiter was the head of a gau. The term doesn't mean 'Nazi party leader' (that would be something like ''Führer/Leiter der NSDAP'' or ''Parteileiter/Parteiführer''); Merriam-Webster defines it as "a district leader of the German National Socialist party formerly serving in his territory as provincial governor." So "Josef Wagner (Gauleiter)" is functionally equivalent to writing "Andrew Johnson (President)" or "Rudy Giuliani (Major)" or "Jimmy Hoffa (Labor Union Leader)". [[User:Doremo|Doremo]] ([[User talk:Doremo|talk]]) 06:35, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
+**** "German National Socialist"
-**** "German National Socialist" == "Nazi" so the Merriam-Webster definition is "a district leader of the Nazi party formerly serving in his territory as provincial governor.", which is similar to what I said. I suppose you could say "Nazi governor" instead of party leader. [[Special:Contributions/70.24.251.208|70.24.251.208]] ([[User talk:70.24.251.208|talk]]) 04:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' Current title seems best description and is disambigued in other language wikis like that. Anyway he got kicked out the party eventually. 19:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Agathoclea|Agathoclea]] ([[User talk:Agathoclea|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Agathoclea|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-*'''Weak oppose'''. I think "Gauleiter" is fairly clear, and I'm wary of using "Nazi" as a disambiguator. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 10:32, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose'''. The title "Gauleiter" is well established in English-language literature, and "Nazi" is so loaded with negative connotations that using it as a disambiguator violates [[WP:NPOV]]. [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 11:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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