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== The following text is partly incorrect==
citation: In June 1940 the Soviet Union [[Occupation of the Baltic states|occupied and illegally annexed]] the three [[Baltic states]] (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania).<ref name=malksoo>{{cite book|author= Mälksoo, Lauri|year= 2003|title= Illegal Annexation and State Continuity: The Case of the Incorporation of the Baltic States by the USSR|location= Leiden, Boston|publisher= Brill| isbn= 90-411-2177-3}}</ref> The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact ostensibly provided security to the Soviets in the occupation both of the Baltics and of [[Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina|the north and northeastern regions of Romania]] (Northern [[Bukovina]] and [[Bessarabia]], June–July 1940), a'''lthough Hitler, in announcing the invasion of the Soviet Union, cited the Soviet annexations of Baltic and Romanian territory as having violated Germany's understanding of the Pact'''. Moscow partitioned the annexed Romanian territory between the [[Ukrainian SSR|Ukrainian]] and [[Moldavian SSR|Moldavian Soviet republics]].

Hitlers claim: Is partly correct. The Sowjetunion annexed more rumanian territory then in the [[Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact]] agreed on. The annexation of the strategic north [[bukovina]] was not part of the pact. If it comes to the baltic states. Hitler was correct about Lithuania. It was agreed that Lithuania should stay in the german sphere of influence. Later the Sowjets pressed to agree on a territorial exchange with the polnish Lublin territory only a part of Lituania (west of the neman river) should stay under german control. After additional pressure Germany agreed on a change of the territory to the Sowjets against paying a certain summ (Sowjets to Germany). Yes the Sowjets pressed Germany bit by bit to more concessions then agreed in the pact and the annexation of the north bukovina was indeed a violation of the pact (see history of rumania /moldova).

[[File:Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg|frameless|center|upright=3.4|Planned and actual territorial changes in Central Europe: 1939–1940]]

This should be changed in the text because its wrong.--[[Special:Contributions/87.147.153.76|87.147.153.76]] ([[User talk:87.147.153.76|talk]]) 18:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


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Btw, in light of this error, it might generally be useful to review any other info sourced from the 1973 Russian book. As you might know, during the Soviet era, certain historical events really weren't publishe in th official histories as they actually had happened. I recommend Antony Beevor instead, he's got nice war books, and he's not publishing in a totalitarian state which was a direct participant in the conflict the page is about.
Btw, in light of this error, it might generally be useful to review any other info sourced from the 1973 Russian book. As you might know, during the Soviet era, certain historical events really weren't publishe in th official histories as they actually had happened. I recommend Antony Beevor instead, he's got nice war books, and he's not publishing in a totalitarian state which was a direct participant in the conflict the page is about.

== The Reichskommissariat ==

Should the the [[reichskommissariat]] count as belligerent, they did fight in the war and played major parts during the last stages of the war.
[[User:Josexgoz11|Josexgoz11]] ([[User talk:Josexgoz11|talk]]) 19:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


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Date cleanup

Article states the following "At 03:15 on 22 June 1941, 99 of 190 German divisions, including fourteen panzer divisions and ten motorized, were deployed against the Soviet Union from the Baltic to the Black Sea. They were accompanied by ten Romanian divisions, three Italian divisions, two Slovakian divisions and nine Romanian and four Hungarian brigades".

This is most certainly not true, because Hungary only declared war against the Soviet Union on June 27th and so couldn't have supplied any brigades for the original invasion 5 days before. The source for this I cannot review directly, as the reference points to an offline Russian book published in 1973. My source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160505212551/https://worldatwar.net/timeline/other/diplomacy39-45.html

Btw, in light of this error, it might generally be useful to review any other info sourced from the 1973 Russian book. As you might know, during the Soviet era, certain historical events really weren't publishe in th official histories as they actually had happened. I recommend Antony Beevor instead, he's got nice war books, and he's not publishing in a totalitarian state which was a direct participant in the conflict the page is about.

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Regarding result, again

Aside from the fact that yet another attempt to hide Soviet victory under Allied umbrella was against consensus (that edit got reverted on the very same day, yet is repeatedly reinstated again, despite WP:STATUSQUO), I'd like to reiterate that arguments in favor of Soviet victory (either unqualified or "as part of Allied victory") from Talk:Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)/Archive_12#Regarding_"Result" (see esp. 17:00, 6 January 2019 (UTC) and 05:12, 8 January 2019 (UTC) remarks) still stand. It could be fine if adopted as a universal approach for all Allies (" Comsistency requires that all EF related articles should be changed from "Soviet victory" to "Allied victory" (of course, I mean the articles where the Soviets were victorious). Only after that we can speak about changing "Soviet" to "Allied" in this article. Moreover, we also should change all US, China, Britain etc related articles in the same way"), but selectively removing "Soviet victory" on SU-German conflict only while retaining other Allies in their respective conflicts and battles is "a bit" POV, to say the least. Bests, --Seryo93 (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, because the term "Allies" sometimes means "Western Allies" ("Allies and the Soviet Union"), so the word "allies/allied" may be sometimes misleading.--Paul Siebert (talk) 02:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I fixed the collage, because it was nominated for speedy deletion due to one image that was removed from Commons. I am trying to find a better solution.--Paul Siebert (talk) 01:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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