Talk:London Underground

Duboious

I appreciate that a national newspaper is the reference, but my count of the number of stations south of the Thames puts the total at 28 (Richmond, Kew Gardens, Wimbledon, Wimbledon Park, Southfields, East Putney, Morden, South Wimbledon, Colliers Wood, Tooting Broadway, Tooting Bec, Balham, Clapham South, Clapham Common, Clapham North, Stockwell, Oval, Kennington, Waterloo, Elephant & Castle, Borough, London Bridge, Brixton, Vauxhall, Lambeth North, Southwark, Bermondsey, Canada Water). Not a massive difference, but still incorrect, no? Julianhall (talk) 22:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

You missed out North Greenwich, which makes the total 29. I have edited the article so it states the exact number of stations rather than the (incorrect) percentage. Dubmill (talk) 10:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

First contactless payment system is a false

The given sentence is far from being a truth. Hong Kong MTR implemented Suica-based contactless payment in 1997. Tokyo implemented in 1998. Moscow Metro implemented Mifare-based (NFC) in 1998. Elk Salmon (talk)

It means payment via a standard contactless credit/debit card (or smartphone app) rather than using a bespoke smart card like Oyster, Octopus etc. That's how "contactless payment" is usually understood in the UK although I understand it could be ambiguous (and contactless payment is primarily about that but does also mention smart cards). Any suggestions on how to word it better? the wub "?!" 21:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Elk Salmon: @The wub: I've changed it to "contactless bank cards" directing to contactless payment. Thought this would rule out any confusion. Turini2 (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

But it's not exactly true either. As Suica is in fact a banking card that can be used in shops either. Just because it's not a western system, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Elk Salmon (talk) 15:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Suica isn't a bank account though - wonderful though it is! That's why I changed the sentence to refer to "contactless bank cards". Suica/Octopus etc are contactless payment, sure - but your salary doesn't get paid into your Suica account! Turini2 (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Upgrades over the last 20 years

I note that the "Transport for London" years doesn't really explain the substantial changes and improvements to the Tube in the last 20 years or so.

Unprecedented investment compared to previous decades, massive station upgrades, step free access, large orders of new rolling stock, automatic signalling, the Olympic Games etc - and most importantly the huge growth in riders since the 2000s - given that TFL's era of the Tube is 20 years old, I think this counts as "history" rather than "recent developments"!

I tried to wordsmith a sentence or two but couldn't sum it up very well. I wonder if anyone would have a go? Turini2 (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

The Londerground

Hello I fundamentally disagree with @C2A06: most recent edit - claiming that "occasionally the Londerground" is what the London Underground is called. I initially reverted this as incorrect, especially without reference. Personally, I've never heard anyone in London ever say it. The newly added citation is a reddit post from 2015 with no upvotes and just 2 comments (one which disagrees, the other is a crude joke). It does not back up the assertion that the Tube is "occasionally [called] the Londerground".

My brief google/twitter search comes up with very few results - it seems that no one actually calls the Tube this. Given WP:RV, I've come here for some consensus on the issue. Should the edit be reverted? Turini2 (talk) 07:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Support removing it. Nobody calls it that and some random person on Reddit isn’t a reliable source. Blythwood (talk) 07:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Glad to see it has been reverted - no hard feelings, discussion about these things is good! :) Turini2 (talk) 12:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

• I have been travelling on the tube on and off for 50 years. No, I've never heard it either. Guy (help!) 14:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
• 60 years in my case, and me neither. -- Alarics (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Turini2: @JzG: Btw I never made the term the Londerground up I actually heard Geofftech say it in a youtube video (who also has a Wikipedia account). I don't know if it was intentional, but i do remember hearing it and thought about adding it in. I'm not going to re-add it though, because it's clearly pointless. C2A06 (About • Talk • Edits) 08:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the reason why you lot have never heard it before is because you are much older than me and didn't have the Internet, Wikipedia, Youtube, whatever when you were all my age......but I still never made the term up. C2A06 (Über uns • Talk • Edits) 07:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I think it's best if you (and we as a collective) move on from this... Presuming anyone's age on the internet is never a good idea. Turini2 (talk) 09:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Underground Stations outside Greater London

I think there are only 7 on the Central line. Buckhurst Hill, Chigwell, Debden, Epping, Loughton, Roding Valley and Theydon Bois.

Wikipedia correctly says Grange Hill Station (which was outside Greater London) is in LB Redbridge - this has been the case since the 1990s boundary change https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/2091/made?view=plain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.135.239 (talk) 17:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The boundary runs parallel with the railway, between the railway and the road named Long Green. Long Green is in Redbridge LB; the railway and the station are both in Essex. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @redrose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.135.239 (talk) 07:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

How many stations does London Underground own?

a) The panel on this page says that LU serves 270 stations but owns 260. No source is given for the 260, and I think it is incorrect. With help, I deduced that these 13 stations are served by LU, but as they are not (according to the National Rail website) managed by LU it seems likely they are not owned by LU:

1 Barking 2 Ealing Broadway 3 Heathrow 2/3 4 Heathrow 4 5 Heathrow 5 6 Kensington Olympia 7 Richmond 8 Stratford 9 Tottenham Hale 10 Upminster 11 West Hampstead 12 Willesden Junction 13 Wimbledon

b) 29 stations owned by NR but run by LU:

1 Amersham 2 Blackhorse Road 3 Canada Water 4 Chalfont & Latimer 5 Chorleywood 6 Farringdon 7 Greenford 8 Gunnersbury 9 Harlesden 10 Harrow & Wealdstone 11 Harrow-On-The-Hill 12 Highbury & Islington 13 Kensal Green 14 Kentish Town 15 Kenton 16 Kew Gardens 17 Moorgate 18 North Wembley 19 Old Street 20 Queens Park 21 Rickmansworth 22 South Kenton 23 South Ruislip 24 Stonebridge Park 25 Wembley Central 26 West Brompton 27 West Ham 28 West Ruislip 29 Whitechapel

The conclusion seems to be that assuming it serves 270 stations, it owns 228. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.135.239 (talk) 07:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Please note that "owned by" is not the same as "managed by". A station can be owned by one company and managed by another. This is particularly the case with stations outside London, the vast majority of which are owned by Network Rail but managed by one of the train operating companies that serve the station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)