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My edits are getting deleted for very strange reason

Hlo there!, I am newbie to Wikipedia, I have recently made an edit but it was removed by mentioning that it's an SPAM by someone called User:ItsSkV08 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1036371374 ) It doesn't seems to me like an valid reason for deletion. Help me to figure out if I am wrong (sorry for my english). Xi Xing Ping (talk) 04:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@Xi Xing Ping: Hello, and welcome-- the pdf link you provided includes IP , and not opening, you can reverse my edit with correction in source or use other reliable sources, see WP:RS and WP:CITE… Thanks.~ ItsSkV08 (talk) 04:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

The OP has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of Helios007. Maproom (talk) 06:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Where to suggest an article topic

Hi Teahouse Hosts

Where would be the best place to leave a suggestion for article creation on an Australian woman diplomat and academic? I have been reading about Coral Bell, who seems like someone who would likely meet notability guidelines, and might be in under-represented categories in WP as well, e.g. Australian subjects; Women diplomats. I had thought she could well have a WP article already, but no. There is an article on the Coral Bell School of Asia Pacific Affairs which, apart from mentioning it was renamed for her in 2015, is silent on her work and career.

What would you recommend? I thought of dropping a note on WP:WikiProject Women, WP:WikiProject Women in Red or WP:WikiProject Australia but I am not sure of the protocol, or if suggestions like these would be welcome: I am aware that many WikiProjects have more than enough work already.

I could help with sourcing if that is of any use. There are a few initial refs to start, just on a very quick look around.

• News item
• Book of essays
• Report of speech by Julie Bishop, then Minister for Foreign Affairs

Any suggestions appreciated.  49.177.69.7 (talk) 04:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

References

I'm no expert on biographies but the three references you have listed here seem to me to represent significant coverage in reliable sources. A brief draft article based on paraphrasing what these sources say should certainly be enough for acceptance. Use the WP:AfC process to create Draft:Coral Bell and I'll help if I can. This JSTOR reference to which I have access also looks very promising as a source.[1] Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I think Wikipedia:Requested articles is what you're looking for? You make a request with a couple of sources and someone else looking for article to write makes it in the future. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both, @Mike Turnbull and @192.76.8.91. They are both very useful suggestions. I will give it some thought, and either go with the WP:Requested articles route that 192.76.8.91 indicated, or, if I get brave enough, try my hand at a draft, as Mike Turnbull suggests. Thank you also for the JSTOR reference - very useful. And for your offer of help - much appreciated. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 01:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC) Updated: 49.177.69.7 (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I would recommend against using the requested articles route, 49.177.69.7 as it is well known that suggestions can languish there for a long time: in a volunteer project like Wikipedia, people usually prefer to work on their own ideas. If you start the draft soon I'll happily pick it up with you. I may even start it myself if I'm feeling in need of something to do.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Review

On my watchlist I have an entry that says:

Page curation log 02:47 Discospinster talk contribs marked Kill James Bond as reviewed ‎ Tag: PageTriage)

When I go to Kill James Bond or its talk page I don't see anything indcating that it was review. what is this specific review process. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Most of the process is explained at Wikipedia:New pages patrol, TipsyElephant. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: would it be appropriate to open an AfD for the article after it got reviewed by new page patrol. I realized retrosepctively that I've actually litstened to the podcaster's youtube channel quite a bit and I would consider myself a fan, but I still don't see how it passes WP:GNG. Maybe I'll reach out to the new editor and look into merging the article instead, but in general is it ever appropriate to open an AfD when it's been reviewed by page patrol? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on AfD but I think that any article can be nominated. I do know that some reviewers accept articles that they believe have a 50% chance of surviving the AfD process. Make sure you follow all the correct procedures, TipsyElephant. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Jalaledin Moayerian

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jalaledin Moayerian

Previous discussion : Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#16:55:28, 31 July 2021 review of submission by Aria Moayerian

Next discussion : WP:TEA#Draft: Jalaledin Moayerian

My submitted draft as "Jalaledin Moayerian" is rejected. May I request a discussion about the reasons for rejection.Aria Moayerian (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Aria Moayerian (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@Aria Moayerian, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, this is about Draft:Jalaledin Moayerian if it is a discussion that you desire then going to the AFC HELPDESK is a good idea. I should however note that it has been rejected by Robert McClenon a veteran afc editor and a discussion with them should prove more helpful it is unlikely that a “discussion” on other venues would give a different verdict. Celestina007 (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, Thanks for your advice! Aria Moayerian (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

No worries i’m merely carrying out duties I pledged to. Celestina007 (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Celestina007 - I advised User:Aria Moayerian to ask for advice here. They wanted advice as to what changes they could make to the draft that would make it acceptable, and I am not interested in assisting an editor with a conflict of interest. They also asked whether they should change their account name so as not to have the same surname as the article subject, and so to avoid being flagged as having a conflict of interest. I did not respond favorably to that question. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone have any advice for this editor? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Ready to Add Sources to Otis Williams Career Section

 Courtesy link: Otis Williams

Hello, how can I add references with specific page numbers to an existing referenced book? I own a copy of the Temptations by Otis Williams and Patricia Romonowski and just finished reading it, so it was easy to find four references to add, which are hopefully enough that the Sources Template can be removed.

I've only made some minor page edits up to this point, but would like to get more proactive. Joeythegimp (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

You might consider using Template:Rp. -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hoary"</a>), thanks for your advice, I've added the references and if you could take a look at what I did, I'd appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeythegimp (talk • contribs) 00:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Joeythegimp, done! -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

... and I give up on the proper syntax for an href here (sigh). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeythegimp (talk • contribs) 00:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Joeythegimp: If you're new to Wikipedia, I suggest checking out the Cheatsheet for basic formatting, and Ping to learn how to properly mention other users. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

You can also try using the visual editor and discussion tools (Preferences → Beta features → Discussion tools). Kleinpecan (talk) 01:02, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to you all for your help, @Hoary:, @Tenryuu:and @Kleinpecan:. I'll keep that cheatsheet handy and look at the Discussion Tools. I'm going to remove a loose href I see on the on the Otis Williams page and reformat a run-on section for easier reading. Joeythegimp (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Barry Sherman

FYI

 – Heading added by Tenryuu.

Barry C. Sherman - Biography. redirected from Bernard Sherman. In the Contents 5.2 lists possible suspects. I have submitted vital information along with the CBC News Network's participation in naming the 2 suspects. The Investigation has not yet replied to my request for verification in order for eligibility of a reward offered by the Sherman family. Longel (talk) 03:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Longel: Welcome to the Teahouse. Is there a question here about editing or otherwise using Wikipedia? This appears to be the only edit you've made on this account. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Longel. This is about Barry Sherman, the Canadian billionaire who was murdered along with his wife in 2017. We cannot include any tips you may have given until this is reported on by reliable, published sources. Feel free to propose improvements to the article at Talk: Barry Sherman. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Longel Information given to the police does not count as being published, hence cannot be a reference, hence you cannot add to the article your belief that you know who committed the murders. This has nothing to do with your psychic expertise or certification (a concept I find implausible). Wikipedia insists on publication in reliable sources for verification. David notMD (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Danielle Lessie

Danielle Lessie born Danielle Celeste Brown in Chesterfield, Virginia started playing the piano and clarinet at the age of nine years old. She started acting out in plays at church at a very young age and she grew up having a passion for acting at a very young age. She even sanged at church on the youth choir for many years. She is best known for her role as a Bridemaid on 'Elle Rose' the movie that was written and directed by Jessica B. Smith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniellecelestebrown (talk • contribs)

@Daniellecelestebrown: Welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've typed the exact same thing over at Draft:Danielle Lessie and Draft talk:Danielle Lessie. While not strictly forbidden, editors are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

All proposed articles require references. DCB's activities as a child do not contribute to notability. If her career to date is minor movie roles, this may be WP:TOOSOON to consider an article. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

File:VTS 01 2.webm. Change of name to Saber Mensur

I would like to change the name of file: VTS 01 2.webm to Saber Mensur. How can I do this? Wname1 (talk) 06:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

There does not appear to be a file named VTS 01 2.webm. Exactly which file are you asking about? -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Here is just going to change the name of the video. This shows you the page where the video is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VTS_01_2.webm . Regards, Wname1 (talk) 08:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry Wname1, my mistake. But I see that you have now attached commons:Template:Rename to it. -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: What is the first step I should take now? Wname1 (talk) 12:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that there's anything that you should do, Wname1. You've asked for a name change; just wait till your request is acted on. -- Hoary (talk) 22:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Article

my article and Draft not find https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Derveshpur_Gaushala --DerveshpurGaushala (talk) 07:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC) DerveshpurGaushala (talk) 07:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

It went here: Draft:Derveshpur_Gaushala Leijurv (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

DerveshpurGaushala, the draft has been rejected. Not just declined, but rejected. Please stop. -- Hoary (talk) 08:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism

On the article of Pope Leo I, I noticed an edit by user Brendanrettig123 that may be vandalism. An earlier edit by the same user on the same page was reverted.

Can I just restore the original content ? The content does not have a valid citation, so I cannot be sure what data is actually correct. -- Kwakeroni (talk) 08:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Kwakeroni, Vandalism is actually quite narrowly defined - only intentional damage to a page is actually vandalism. An unexplained edit such as this will have to be checked against the available source(s). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:57, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

His earlier edit, a clear improvement to the article, was reverted without explanation. Maproom (talk) 09:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't call adding a spelling error an improvement (or were you being ironic ?) Anyway, I'll see if I can find any sources for this -- Kwakeroni (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Not ironic, just incompetent. My bad. Maproom (talk) 06:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

its my first article, can someone please review the article before i submit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LizKurian/sandbox LizKurian (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

LizKurian, it seems that his claim to fame is that he founded a non-notable company. I randomly checked three of the sources cited: two don't even mention him, and one merely listed his name, with no discussion. In your view, which of the sources you cited do most to establish that he is notable? Maproom (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Now at Draft:Tabassum Khan. I saw that you identify all of the images as your own work. Is is true that you took all of these photos, over a period of many years? David notMD (talk) 11:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

yes, these images are taken by us, over a period of years. Citations in Startgurus Consulting and Speaker and industry leader are all discussions with him. In philanthropy, the citation includes his initiatives that were done along with external links from media coverage. thanks for the help :) LizKurian (talk) 08:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by "us"? Accounts are for individuals. The pictures are from 2014 an 2021. Are you claiming that you as an individual took both of those photos, as you described then as "own work"? David notMD (talk) 18:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft is rejected

sir my draft is rejected now what can do ?? Article Derveshpur Gaushala

Thaks --DerveshpurGaushala (talk) 10:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC) DerveshpurGaushala (talk) 10:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

DerveshpurGaushala Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. A rejection means that the draft will not be considered further. No amount of editing can confer notability on a subject. Please read the comments left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I might suggest that you spend some time editing existing articles, to get an idea of what is being looked for in article content. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

To delete your draft, at the top type Db-author inside of double-curly brackets {{ }} This will cause an Administrator to delete your draft. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Can't edit molar mass of ABTS

Hi, I've come across an error in the ABTS page. Namely, the molar mass is incorrectly given as 514.62g/mol instead of 548.68g/mol. I've tried to edit it myself but it doesn't seem to show up when I enter edit mode of the Chembox? This would be my first time trying to edit anything so it may very well be an error on my side. Do you have any suggestions on why the molar mass doesn't show up in edit mode?

Thank you for your time. MolMass (talk) 15:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

The figures for molar mass in the chembox are calculated automatically from the molecular formula. The formula is correct and is confirmed by the Chemspider ID. Were you thinking of an ammonium salt, MolMass? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, it seems to me that if you tried to edit, maybe you didn't click "Save". There is only the one edit to this Teahouse page in your contribution history, and the edit filter log shows nothing that was blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:35, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I was thinking of the ammonium salt. I guess it's a good thing I wasn't able to edit it. Also, it wouldn't show up as I didn't actually edit anything since I couldn't find the molar mass (because apparently it's calculated, which is pretty great). Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MolMass (talk • contribs) 15:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Upcoming shows/movies

Hello, I'm a relatively new user of Wikipedia; I'm confused as to when shows or movies get their own articles? Using Marvel shows as an example: What If...? comes out in a week and has an article as such, but Armor Wars or I am Groot have no articles; despite the fact we have little to no knowledge of either's plot. Does it depend on when a trailer is released?

Many thanks. Eye ay en (talk) 19:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eye ay en, and welcome to the Teahouse. In principle, the answer is straightforward: like any other subject, an upcoming show or movie may be the subject of an article if it meets the criteria of notability: roughly, that several people, wholly unconnected with the item, have chosen to write about it at some length, and been published in reliable places. (Note that articles based on announcements or press releases do not count towards this). Typically this doesn't happen for a show that has not been released yet, and it is TOOSOON; but sometimes for some reason the show has been discussed widely, and then an article may be justified. Generally if an upcoming item has been widely discussed, it won't be because of the plot, but because of something else about it, so the article should not focus on the plot; but there could be exceptions. --ColinFine (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox

Need help to make space in my sandbox to work on a new article. The one that is currently in the sandbox has been accepted.

Thanks!

Vedlagt (talk) 21:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC) Vedlagt (talk) 21:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Vedlagt, and welcome to the Teahouse. Congratulations on getting a draft accepted. Your sandbox is currently a redirect. If you go to User:Vedlagt/sandbox (or the "sandbox" link at the top of the page) it will take you to David Provoost, but at the top there is a note "Redirected from User:Vedlagt/sandbox". If you pick the link in that note, it will take you to the sandbox itself, and you can edit it to remove the redirection and put new content in it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Article Review

Hello Teahouse, I have a question. If a newly article was created and it is on namespace but needs to be reviewed or patrolled to be indexed on search engines and a reviewer later saw it but it got a little problem and I fixed it, would any reviewer or patroller come back to check the article or do I have to notify a reviewer? Thanks in advance. Trendrives (talk) 23:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Once an article on main space is patrolled, it remains patrolled.

If someone perceives big problems with the article, it may be moved to draft space even if it was patrolled. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay I get that. Thanks!! Trendrives (talk) 03:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I just created a draft article which I am sure is ready to be moved to Wikipedia namespace. Kindly review Draft:List of awards and nominations received by Olamide. Thanks! Trendrives (talk) 03:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

No. What you did was copy content verbatim from Olamide without stating where you got it from. AND, there is no reason a list of awards and nominations received by a person should exist other than it the article about the person. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks and I get that. I have actually seen a lot of people having a different article about their list of award and nominations so I am just going to improve it. Trendrives (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

WP:Other stuff exists is not a justification. I added a Comment to the draft. I recommend with your next edit, you make a statement in the Edit summary that the table was copied from the Olamide article. Copying within Wikipedia is allowed, but attribution is required. David notMD (talk) 16:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

Can I update the Univision Noticias logo? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 00:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: Yes, you can. Near the bottom of the page File:Univision Noticias logo.jpg there appears a link to "Upload a new version of this file". Just be sure the new image has about the same approximate size as the current one. If it's too big, it will get deleted because we cannot use higher resolution images for non-free commercial fair use. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist Isn't this (size-fixing) generally done automagically by a bot these days? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Come to think of it, you're right. I forgot about the bot. So I guess you can upload it too big and the bot has some algorithm to determine what scaling to use. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Help me with these refs

Can someone help me with these 2 refs I added here on the Ellisburg Circle page? One of the refs I added are PFD files and I don't know where to find the template for PFD files and the other one has a wrong date (but it was made in 1991). And what do I do when I add names with 2 people that wrote it? On this ref, it has 2 people who wrote the article, so I just put "Petty and Reuters" for the last name part and "Martin and John O'Callaghan' for the first name part. 🎧⋆JennilyW♡🎶 (talk) 02:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Fixed the date thing and the two names thing and left an explanation on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 03:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

By "PFD" I suppose you mean "PDF"; these need no special treatment. If the authors are Martin Petty, John O'Callahan and Reuters, then "first1=Martin | last1=Petty | first2=John | last2=O'Callahan | author3=Reuters". (See Template:Cite web/doc.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Help me with Russian ROC flag and template hyperlink

Hi, can someone advice me on how to hyperlink the russian ioc flag for olympics for russian womens' handball team. I cloudn't get it to work. I also have some formatting issue as I can't remove the ROC word without removing the ROC flag. The page concerned is the handball section for France at the 2020 Summer Olympics(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics). Thank you!! Atom105 (talk) 06:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Done. I used {{FlagIOC|ROC|2020 Summer}} - X201 (talk) 11:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Unclear rejection for lack of notability

My question is about the following article, that I submitted a few months ago and was recently rejected due to lack of notability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nsynth_Super

So I checked the comment from the rejector and the notability guidelines here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

I really struggle to understand the reason behind the rejection, as the article cites mostly independent sources, music authors and peer-reviewed papers which have nothing to do with the manufacturer of the instrument. It has been significantly covered by some of the main music online magazines and general press, it seems that it ticks all the points of the notability checklist to me, but if it doesn't, I really struggle to understand what is wikipedia-worthy or not, as I've been trying really hard to meet the guidelines and I think this is a very notable instrument that should be here, please help.

Thanks! Rustycandle (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rustycandle: I think that the problem is that most if not all of your sources are based on interviews with Google staff, which counts as WP:primary sources, which don't establish notability. We need WP:secondary sources with significant coverage of the topic. I took a quick look via Bing and Google News and was quite surprised that I couldn't find such sources. Note that the reviewer didn't say the topic was definitely not notable, only that your draft didn't (yet) demonstrate this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

How to find vandalism?

How to find signs of vandalism on a page? IndoUniverse88 (talk) 12:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IndoUniverse88. There are some suggestions at WP:SPOTVAN. Thanks for wanting to help.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

new topic

hello! i accidently worte a topic as an english one but i want it to be on another language. how can i change it wothout override the link and etc? TomerYakirStein (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Here's a list of all the different Wikipedia's, choose the correct one and copy and paste your text from here to there, but remember to check the linking etc in your article. - X201 (talk) 13:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

TomerYakirStein Welcome to the Teahouse of the English Wikipedia. Please go to the Wikipedia home page and select your language from the dropdown list.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TomerYakirStein, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is as far as I know, no way to move material from one Wikipedia to another edition. I think you will need to "Edit/Edit source" the English article (to get at the source), copy the source, and then paste it into an article Hebrw Wikipedia. Remember that, to comply with the licence, you must say (probably in your edit summary) where you copied it from: see WP:copying within Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced statements about living people: non-biographies

Should unsourced, and seemingly negative statements about named people, be treated as described in the WP:BLP policies, even if the material occurs in non-biographical articles? My feeling is that they would be, but I would like confirmation, if possible, please. Thanks. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 13:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC) 49.177.69.7 (talk) 13:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, yes, in my rushed reading I managed to miss this: This policy applies to any living person mentioned in a BLP, whether or not that person is the subject of the article, and to material about living persons in other articles and on other pages, including talk pages., right at the top! Sheesh: sorry, answered own question. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 13:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with first article

Hi, I've just finished my first draft for my first article and I just wanted some feedback; I don't think it's very good and I think I need better sources, so I'm open to any constructive criticism. Also how do you find good sources? cause I have so many tabs open and I can't find anything useful.

Here's the draft Draft:Ted Ferguson (actor) Huey117 (talk) 13:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Huey117. There is little prospect of your draft being accepted because its main source is WP:IMDB. As that link will show, this is not considered reliable enough to establish notability for an actor. You need to find independent reviews of his acting career in reliable sources with significant coverage of him. If you have tried to find such sources and failed, then I'm afraid there can't be an article in Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Yep it just got refused, I'm going to keep looking for independent sources, but I doubt I'll find anything. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huey117 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Huey117: I did a quick search and can't find anything else other than what you included. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

people from stockton-on-tees

I miss some names on this list, Francis Roddam (Quadrophenia), David Ross Stoddart and Rick Hewson (RAH). How can I insert them? 14:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)John the miller (talk) John the miller (talk) 14:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi John the miller. Where exactly did you want to put them? Franc Roddam and Richard Anthony Hewson are already included in the list at Stockton-on-Tees#Notable_people. Simply insert * [[David Stoddart (geographer)|]], at the appropriate place in that list.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Images and infoboxes

On the Vineland, Ontario page there is an img. It is currently left aligned, which disturbs the heading structure. However, if I make it right aligned, it goes below the infobox on the right. If I leave it left aligned and add a clear template below the section there is a large section of whitespace between the sections so it can clear the infobox.

Is leaving the img left aligned the best solution in this case? A Thimblerigs (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

If it's the peach pickers image, it's better at the left of the page. Mjroots (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Turning a draft page into a published one

I’d appreciate some guidance on how to publish this page as I think it’s ready (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1036575344) Leyton2021 (talk) 15:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: At Draft:Tony Sims. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Leyton2021, to establish that Sims is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, you'll need to find and cite several reliable independent publish sources with significant discussion of him. The draft cites no such sources. The sources it does cite are not independent, being based on what Sims himself has said. Maproom (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for letting me know, it’s much appreciated. Will take a further look in that case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leyton2021 (talk • contribs)

Changing a page title

Hello again. This organisation no longer goes by the same name. I’ve already highlighted this on the talk page but I haven’t had a response so would appreciate any guidance on how I can potentially make the adjustment myself (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Association_of_Graduate_Recruiters) Leyton2021 (talk) 15:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Leyton2021: - I've moved the article to Institute of Student Employers for you. You can now make the necessary amendement to the text of the article. Mjroots (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Brilliant, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leyton2021 (talk • contribs)

How to request an edit to something already written?

So, I read something on here that was wrong, kind of. I tried to add some clarity to the subject, but it looks like the post was locked due to vandalism. How does someone like me send the author a message to fix that specific posting? It's clearly wrong and if this were Youtube, it would have been censored already for misinformation.

Hello, HistoryTryItSomeTime. Discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Your record of contributions show no edits other than this query. Did you edit when not logged in? Or did you mean that you could not edit because you are new, and the article is protected? What was the name of the article? Per what Collen328 replied, initiate a discussion on the Talk page of the article. If content is wrong, your discussion should include a reference(s) confirming your position. David notMD (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

maybe a silly question

Sir, i know i am really NEW for this, but out of curiosity, i want to the procedure and eligibility for being a administrator on wikipedia. By the way, i joined wikipedia as editor today only but i have edited around 20+ things, this shows my dedication and my ability to become a administrator in future. please guide me, about procedure and eligibility so that when the right time came to become administrator, i had already done my best to become one. PLEASE ANSWER IN DETAILS (if possible). Indianman1 (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC) Indianman1 (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You can see some of the things at WP:RfA. In short, it requires a lot of Wikipedia experience, demonstration that you understand Wikipedia policies, and demonstration that you need to admin toolset to perform the tasks you want to perform. You should view adminship and being a janitor, and beware of WP:Hat collecting 99% of things on Wikipedia do not require being an admin. RudolfRed (talk) 17:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Indianman1 You can start here Wikipedia:Administrators#Becoming_an_administrator and continue with pages linked from there. At Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#About_RfA, in the candidates column, you have links to recent "admin-runs" and there you can get a sense of what is expected. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

thanks i will save your words on my talk page, for future asistance as they will be deleted from here after sometime Indianman1 (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Note that discussions on the Teahouse (and other talk pages) are archived rather than deleted, Indianman1. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse, specifically, Indianman1. I definitely do not want to discourage you as the encyclopedia needs great admins and we have some out there but, to echo some above, the highest position anyone can hold on the project is "editor". --ARoseWolf 19:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

ok Indianman1 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Photos of individuals for Wikipedia pages

I know that copyright rules are tricky, but can we post a photo of an individual on their Wikipedia page from one of their social media accounts if they have given us permission to do so? Does that need to be documented, and if so, how would we do that? BoredNoodleWrecker (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@BoredNoodleWrecker: Welcome to the Teahouse. The copyright holder (who isn't necessarily the subject in the photo) has to be the one to release the copyright. On social media it tends to be the subject themselves, but generally it's whoever took the photo. In any case, the copyright holder has to declare a release of the materials as a donation (a form can be found at the link). Just be aware that by them releasing the file to Wikipedia, they are allowing it to be used for any purpose, even if it's commercial. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

This is a lot more complicated than I thought! Thank you for the answer though. BoredNoodleWrecker (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@BoredNoodleWrecker: The process is actually quite fast. It's the legal language that throws people off. It's to protect Wikipedia from copyright infringement charges. The copyright holder can fill out the text and email the file as an attachment in less than two minutes. And BTW, here's a good way to not wreck your pasta [[2]] Cacio e pepe. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@BoredNoodleWrecker: I didn't realize that the simpler text page wasn't easy to find. Go to this one Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I remember seeing that page a while back but forgot about it. I might start pointing users there instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

That seems a bit easier! If it was some sort of long, drawn out process I would have a great deal of difficulty convincing people to go through this process. Thank you. BoredNoodleWrecker (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help editing a Wikipedia Biography Article Draft

Can someone help me edit this draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Assaf_Biderman

I need to make the tone more neutral and include significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources VidishaAgarwalla (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@VidishaAgarwalla: Welcome to the Teahouse. Before going any further, please address other users' concerns about paid editing. If you do have a paid relationship (as Wikipedia defines it), please disclose that on your user page at User:VidishaAgarwalla (you can click on the red link to create the page). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

adding a fact

I have just registered with Wikipedia. I simply want to add one fact to the Rudy Giuliani article, one more Honorary Degree that he has received in the past. I am having trouble seeing how such a simple task can be accomplished. Barnabywombat (talk) 21:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Barnabywombat: Welcome to the Teahouse. Might I suggest you try the interactive tutorial first? It covers the basics of editing and using Wikipedia, one of which is adding citations of reliable sources, which would be needed at the very least to be even considered for addition. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Barnabywombat, you probably won't be able to edit the article on Giuliani till you have made edits elsewhere. (This is a rudimentary protection against would-be vandals, trolls and other time-wasters, in an article of particularly wide interest.) In the meantime, you're welcome to make a "Semi-protected edit request" at the foot of Talk:Rudy Giuliani. Please say there precisely what it is that you want or suggest, and be sure provide a reliable, independent reference for its veracity. A suggestion: Before you do this, have a quick look at some earlier edit requests on that talk page, so that you understand what's required. -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Establishing consensus before repeated edits

I noticed that many articles in Category:Master's degrees don't use a sortkey, meaning that the "M" section is full of degrees that don't start with that letter (e.g. Master of Architecture in "M" instead of "A"). I already edited a few articles in Category:Bachelor's degrees that were missing a sortkey, but fixing the Master's degrees category could require a bunch of edits (ideally with a tool like HotCat).

My questions:

1. Since most articles in this category already follow the convention I want to use, is it reasonable to perform all the edits required, or should I always get consensus in cases where repetitive edits are going to be made?
2. In general, what is the best way to get consensus for changes to multiple pages? I imagine that not many editors have actual category pages on their watchlists since the page content is updated automatically.

Thanks, Inverted Hourglass (talk) 23:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Good question. The current situation is clearly unsatisfactory. But while sorting Master of Architecture on "Architecture" (at least for this purpose) seems an obvious and uncontroversial fix, what about Master of Science in Development Administration: on "Development Administration", or on "Science in Development Administration"? (Additionally, I wondered why such an article would be necessary at all: if the reader knows what the academic subject named Development Administration is, and knows what an MSc is, then what is there that still needs explaining? And after skim-reading the article, I am none the wiser.) I suggest that you bring up the first question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Panathinaikos B

Where would I make a plea that a page be nominated for deletion? I tried to research it to save it but there is nothing...Panathinaikos B is the current iteration - CaliBuds (talk) 01:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC) CaliBuds (talk) 01:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi CaliBuds. You can found out more about this in WP:DELETION, but bascially there are three types of deletion process on Wikipedia: tagged for speedy deletion, proposed for deletion and nomimated for deletion. Before you start a deletion process, however, you might want to ask about the article first at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to see what some others might think. The article was created about a month ago and it doesn't look like it ever received a proper review or assessment from any members of that WikiProject. It's possible the a member or some members of WikiProject Football might feel there's a viable alternative to deleting the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly not sure it's worth the work but I appreciate the info! CaliBuds (talk) 13:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Switch On and Sources and Notability

I will try to address a question that I was asked on my talk page here, both in case other experienced editors can add to my thoughts, and for the possible information of other submitters. User:Lilylovesreading19 asked me to explain why I and other reviewers have declined her draft:

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Switch_On

I am wondering why the draft Switch On keeps getting rejected. I have updated the citation of it from a legitimate source that was listed on Article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources) and the Korean Herald is also included in the citation which is pretty much like the NYTimes is the US. I have added the track listing along with the composers and lyricist. Since the album only came out yesterday in South Korea, there are no official charting yet so that has not been added. I did ask for advice and they said that it's because of the source which Naver is not reliable and I have changed it since then. Is there any other reasons why this keeps getting rejected since I have constantly updated the citation to make it more legitimate and have reviewed the notability music article and have tried following the article.

There is a myth among submitters in Wikipedia that the key to having any draft article accepted is finding the right sources. This is a myth because verifiability is a necessary but not sufficient condition for notability. An article must have reliable sources, but not every subject that is mentioned by reliable sources is notable. In some areas, such as sports and music, Wikipedia has special notability guidelines. Your draft was declined by three reviewers including me because it was (at the time) an unreleased album, and unreleased albums are almost always considered too soon. Sometimes they are not released. Then you resubmitted the draft on the day that the album was released. As you said, it had no official charting and no reviews. What you should have done was to wait for the charting and the reviews, and what you should do now is to wait for the charting and the reviews. References, which establish verifiability, are a necessary but not sufficient condition, and some submitters make the mistake of focusing entirely on the sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

When it comes to creative works like musical albums, films, stage plays, poems, novels, paintings, sculptures and the like, the most common way that notability is established is through published commentary by professional critics. Some blockbuster films will have so much significant coverage in independent, reliable sources that the films are notable after principal filming begins but before the film is released and reviewed. The sources are the most important part of an article or draft, but a handful of mediocre sources are not enough. The quality of the sources used to establish notability is the most important factor. The sources must be reliable, they must be fully independent, and they must devote significant coverage to the topic. In this case, unless the upcoming music album received a truly unusual amount of unusually detailed coverage in independent reliable sources before release, then it would be best to wait for professional reviews by critics, and chart positions, before accepting an article. The promotionalism factor is also important. Draft articles or new articles about the latest start-up and the latest rapper and the latest musical album are going to be subject to higher scrutiny than an article about a rare butterfly species or a Kentucky state legislator who served in the 1830s. Countless people see Wikipedia as a marketing opportunity, and people get rich off of new pop music but not so much from writing about toad habitats. Wikipedia is not a venue for promoting new commercial ventures, so people who try to use it that way are going get pushback. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I have reformatted your message, I hope for the better. ¶ Wikipedia:Notability (music) is appallingly complex and confusing. Sample: criterion 7, Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. The subject, or the claims made for the subject? Should one infer that verifiability is unimportant for the other 11 criteria (none of which mention it)? Et cetera. I sympathize with anyone who can't be bothered to plod through it, and suspect that a great deal of it could just be deleted. Not much needs to be added to WP:GNG. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A few questions about ip's

Hello there! I wanted to ask a couple questions related to ip addresses, as my ip had originally been banned from making an account. Can someone help explain to me how the process of banning ips work? I don't really know much about this stuff, but do I know that i had never tried to change an article in any major way, or ever comment on message boards (i didn't even know message boards for Wikipedia existed!). I live in an apartment complex, and with other people (although none of them had edited articles either), so could that have something to do with it?

A very confused Wikipedia surfer, (im adding for tildes after this, but I don't know if I'm supposed to??

KittyLover1232 (talk) 02:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

If an IP number is used in a deleterious way (degrading articles, trolling, etc), an administrator can "block" (not "ban") it from editing, either for a set period or indefinitely. It's clear that you can now edit as "KittyLover1232", so I suggest that you do so: no need to worry further about the IP number(s). Thank you for hitting "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Some more information expanding on Hoary's reply: IP addresses can change hands very quickly, so over the course of a month, 5 to 10 people may have had that IP address. Your "IP" will probably change in a month or so, depending on your ISP and area, so being IP-blocked when you haven't done anything wrong isn't abnormal! WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 03:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to move an article from my sandbox

I would like to move an article from my sandbox to Articles for Publication. How do I do this?

Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 04:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Before you submit your draft for AFC review you ought to expand the bare URLs to full citations. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

What is the procedure? Thanks for any help. Vedlagt (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Laurence Myers

Another editor has moved the draft from your sandbox to draft space. You can submit it from there when you are ready, Vedlagt Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Subpage

How to create a subpage of my userpage? Peter Ormond 💬 04:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: Welcome to the Teahouse. The quickest way to do so would be to go to your browser's address bar, add a / after User:Peter Ormond, and type in the subpage's title before pressing ↵ Enter. For example, you could do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter Ormond/Subpage. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I didn't know it was that easy and quick! Peter Ormond 💬 04:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I remove the template?

I added translation from this article to Dyspessa ulula, can I now remove {{Expand German}} from the article? Also, I forgot to add 'Content in this edit... see its history for attribution' statement in my edit summary. Will this cause me any trouble? I did add {{Translated}} in its talk page. Excellenc1📞 05:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Good work! If you feel like there's no more information from the German page that can be used to build the article, then go ahead and remove the template. For {{Translated}}, I would fill out version and insertversion just to be extra clear. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Bogus Review?

Hello, I've been working on a Wikipedia page for two months now. I've had several insightful editors send notes when rejecting my submission. Tonight, however, I was told I needed to get an English-speaking writer to work on the project. I'm from the U.S. and a journalist to boot. So this type of rejection left me pondering... How do I resubmit with this kind of feedback. Thanks for your help.

P.S. The photo I uploaded of my subject has also disappeared. It was viewable for a while. Not sure what happened. Any clues appreciated. Bekwright (talk) 05:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Samuel A. Culbert

@Bekwright: I don't exactly agree with TheBirdsShedTears that the English syntax is the biggest problem here. Yes, there's some bits and pieces to clean up, but the biggest problem here is sourcing. You need to first demonstrate that the subject is notable for a Wikipedia article yet. You need to find independent sources, which are written by people completely unaffiliated with Culbert (including Culbert himself), and then you base article content on those independent sources. Wikipedia does not care about what the subject has to say about themself, and so far, the draft reads too much like a resume, instead of from a neutral point of view.

By the way, the image you uploaded to Commons at commons:File:Sam full size (1).jpg is a copyright violation and is likely to be deleted; we can only accept free images here. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bekwright: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what Ganbaruby has said, make sure you're not using words or phrases that promote or laud an individual. Phrases like

Culbert's writings encourage the individual’s emancipation from organization and work-culture imposed constraints to effectiveness, promotes the ever-present pursuit of self-awareness, authenticity, and other-sensitive interactions in life and work

and

Culbert believes most managers are well-intentioned but sees them immersed in a disorienting, work-culture-imposed force field. To that end, he’s published eight books exposing hidden features of leadership, management, and professional participation in contemporary organizations

sound more at home at a press release, and are inappropriate for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Bekwright, this draft reads like a CV which makes it nearly difficult for a reader to under the topic efficiently. It should be presented with a good lead section as well. The current revision seems non-encyclopedic. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

As it stands now, 16 of the 26 refs are to stuff Culbert wrote. Establishing notability requires refs to what people have written ABOUT Culbert. And to your original question, a lot of the content was jargon. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The citations in this article are improper

4 of 5 citations in Alfredo Sadel direct to pages which have nothing to do with the text for which it is used. This also questions its notablilty. (This might probably be because the citation expired or something, I don't know) Excellenc1📞 06:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Excellenc1. Notability doesn't really expire and neither does the reliability of a citation per se, but citations may sometimes become dead links over time for various reasons; for example, a link to a citation may be overwritten or archived by the source in question as part of its efforts to keep its website as up-to-date as possible. When this happens, the link originally added for the citation may no longer work as before and might instead redirect to another website or another page. What you can try to do is to check whether there is an archived version of the original url that can be found using something like the Wayback Machine or some other archive service and then update the citation using the parameters |archive-url=, |archive-date=, and |url-status= so that those reading the article can see that the original url is no longer accessible, but an archived version for it exists. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I ran Fix Dead Links on it (at the top of the page's edit history, the furthest right external tool), but I didn't go back and make them pretty. :) —valereee (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Request help re first article

I wrote my first article a few days ago, Draft:Ultimate_Heliport which was declined because of the following reasons:

"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

It was also flagged as a COI. Since then I have corresponded with the original user who declined the article, who is now happy there is no COI. He also suggested removing one of the sections, which I did. I tried to find as many secondary sources, which are independent of the subject. Can anyone else give input/advice in terms of what to change? Perhaps it's written in too subjective a tone? I think this is a valuable entry and interesting, especially within the South African Aviation context.

Any help would be appreciated! Hassanbeem (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hassanbeem, that first article can be difficult for a new editor. You can take a look at WP:Your first article, and you might also go to the talk pages of WP:WikiProject Aviation and WP:WikiProject South Africa to see if anyone might take a look.

The immediate issue is finding significant coverage in unaffiliated sources. The most recent reviewer said Whether as a commercial operation or piece of transport infrastructure, the subject needs to demonstrate notability by WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Of the ones cited, the BusinessTech article provides sigcov but may not be entirely independent, while the Times one is probably reliable and independent but only covers the subject as a secondary subject. So that's one that covers it heavily enough but is possibly affiliated and one that is unaffiliated but doesn't cover it heavily enough, so unfortunately neither provides help in proving notability.

You need three unaffiliated reliable sources which give focus primarily on this heliport; at least two of them should be outside the local area. You might check for coverage in industry magazines, but it's also possible the heliport simply isn't being covered enough yet and will eventually be. As long as you keep working on the draft at least every few months, you can just keep looking for those sources. —valereee (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Source list

I remember a page that have a giant list where it lists sources as "verifiable", "questioned", or "blacklisted". But I forgot what page it is, could someone care to link the page in question? Thanks 180.251.155.166 (talk) 08:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds like you could be referring to the perennial reliable sources list. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Just what I was looking for. Thank you! 180.251.155.166 (talk)

Draft: Jalaledin Moayerian

Previous discussion : WP:TEA#Jalaledin Moayerian

Hi there, Regarding my draft as Jalaledin Moayerian I had been advised to ask Robert McClenon. Below please find his reply and his request from you to advice. Could you please help me to find a way out of this loop.

FYI

 – Indenting and boxing to show quoted content. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Aria Moayerian (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC) Aria Moayerian (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Jalaledin Moayerian. A different draft, created by a different editor, but with near-identical content, is at Draft:Jalal Moayerian. Your draft has been Declined five times by five different reviewers, and then Rejected (the other draft Declined twice). As Jalaledin is your uncle, you should have declared that at the beginning as an obvious conflict-of-interest. This omission did not prevent you from creating a draft, but it did prejudice McClenon from offering help. Please accept the decision that your uncle does not rise to Wikipedia's definition of notability, and either tag the draft for deletion or abandon it. If the latter, you will be reminded in 5-6 months that the draft will be deleted, as no work has been done on it anymore. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Anveshi Jain

Hi Team ,

I have been struggling to understand how an article needs to be published here in Wikipedia . I wanted to create an Article related to a person that i am closely associated.

The topic i have given is " Anveshi Jain " . It seems like some one have created an article about this person and deleted later on . Now i am unable to ge this approved as i am new in this platform or i am unaware hot to get it approved.

Anyone would be able to asssit ?

Thanks in advance Anveshijain (talk) 09:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

It is simple. Do not try to write an article about someone you are connected to. Edits should be neutral.--Bduke (talk) 10:10, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome!

The article was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anveshi Jain and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anveshi Jain (2nd nomination) - the consensus being that the person in question isn't notable enough to warrant an article. The reason you can't create the article is because it's creation protected due to constant recreation.

If you feel that this person is notable enough to warrant an article, and you can cite reliable secondary sources to prove it, you could consider asking for the protection to be removed at WP:RPP.

As a side note, your username may be problematic (it's the name of the person you're trying to write about) - check WP:REALNAME for information on this - and if you are the person you're trying to write about, check WP:COI for why this is a bad idea. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Per Bduke's terse reply, Wikipedia advises against autobiography (WP:AUTO), paid editing and conflict of interest (for example, being closely associated), but does not forbid those practices. Last advice - creating an article as a new-to-Wikipedia account is very hard. Trying that for a topic that has been through Articles for Deletion twice is near-impossible. See Anveshi Jain for the troubled history of this topic. David notMD (talk) 11:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Searching

I tried searching incategory:"Wikipedia redirects" but it didn't work, and neither did deepcat:"Wikipedia redirects". ―Qwerfjkltalk 10:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: incategory is working as expected - Category:Wikipedia redirects is a holding category that only contains other categories. There are no pages in article space that are sorted into that category so it is correctly returning no results, repeat the search in template space (which contains the single page sorted into this category) you will correctly get one result. Deepcat is probably erroring because you've gone over its search limit - it can only search up to 5 levels of categories of 256 total categories, but one of the subcategories of Category:Wikipedia redirects is Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories, which currently contains a bit over 100,000 subcategories. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 12:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

requesting to know about sources.

hi this is the page i submitted and the draft got declined saying it need some reliable sources. I want to know if there is any other problem with the article? or is it that I should enclose details published in any other source like newspaper, magazines... What if there are only few magazine mentions which i have already mentioned in the page below. is it not sufficient?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Canadian_Chamber_of_Commerce,_Middle_East Mivida2021 (talk) 11:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mivida2021, you need at minimum three articles in well-regarded unaffiliated newspapers or magazine which all cover the subject in-depth and which aren't all local to the area where the subject is located. There is information at WP:RELIABLE SOURCE and WP:SIGCOV and WP:NORG. That is how we determine whether an organization is notable enough for an article. There are other problems with your draft that you would need to fix, but proving notability is the crucial first step.

Are you an employee of this organization? If you are, you will need to disclose that relationship, as undisclosed paid editing is not allowed. There are instructions at Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. —valereee (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

To be pedantic, having three reliable sources is strongly recommended, but by no means is it an actual policy or guideline. It does make reviewers much more receptive to drafts, though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Images:

Hi, just wondering how images work on Wikipedia; for instance if I wanted to create an article about a person, what images of them would I be able to use? and how can they be found? I'm just asking because it seems like most Wikipedia articles have pictures of their subjects, but it also seems that Wikipedia has strict rules about what images are allowed. Huey117 (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Huey117, the answer unfortunately isn't straightforward. It depends on whether the person is still alive, how old the photo is, and a few other things. —valereee (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The full story is at WP:IUP Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons is our depository of "free" images. If you're lucky, there might be one there. If you're able to take a pic of the person yourself with your own camera, you can upload it there, and then use it on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A little suggestion to teahouse

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § A little suggestion to teahouse

 – ―Qwerfjkltalk 11:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Are wiki guidelines subjective?

I've followed WP guidelines to the letter and continue to get denied on the following article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alison_Morrow

Morrow has 2 Emmy awards and a Sigma Delta Chi award in journalism. And her work has been referenced in federal and state law reviews. I have 13 references in my article that are independent sources including the Emmy web sites and the SDC web sites and other major news outlets other than her own.

This biography checks more boxes than the guidelines indicate are required. This subject is far more notable than many of the biographies on WP. So what else has to happen to get this article published? Stocatta (talk) 13:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Stocatta: Welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read the comments (prefaced with  ) below the templated responses? There's also concern that you may be in an undisclosed paid relationship with Morrow or someone related, which is something you should clear up first; if you do have such a connection, please disclose it on your user page. When a reviewer has concerns over that, it usually also means that the draft isn't neutral in tone, and that it serves to promote the subject, which Wikipedia isn't interested in doing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Addition of actor's name to the article about films removed by Rdp060707

Addition of actor's name to the article about films removed by Rdp060707

The addition of the actor's name was removed by Rdp060707 stating that I have not provided the source. But I would like to bring it to your notice that I myself am the actor about whom the mention was missing from the movies articles. Hence I made a login and tried to make myslef eligible to Wikipedia and also mark my presence in the projects I have been part of. But I am not sure how to go about it since my suggestions were removed. Kindly help me, as there are quite a few projects that have missed my mention in them as an Artist. I again request you to help me get my valid Wikipedia existence by the work and contribution I have given to the Film industry. regards Atmaja Pandey https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6592801/ Atmajapandey (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Article declined

Hi Everybody, The submission of the article Draft:Sphere_(company) has been declined for the following reason "the draft does not establish corporate notability." As the article is a translation from the French article, I was wondering : does it mean that French sources (Le Monde, Les Echos, La Tribune, Le Parisien, etc.) are not considered as "independent reliable sources"? Should I put more English speaking sources?

Thank you in advance for your help Inceptio (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)