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Edit warring / tag-bombing / restoring challenged content

Please don't restore challenged content, as you did at the article National Endowment for Democracy. Your edit restored baseless tags without either talk-page discussion or any basis (there is zero reason, for example, to think that any COI issue is presented). Your edit also made unexplained deletions. Finally, your edit also added new content with problems. First, the content contained weasel wording (like "Critics..." and "Some have described..."). Second, the new content had significant citation issues - you added 2 sentences with 6 citations, but it is completely unclear which citation is supposed to support which content. Third, there's also due weight considerations involved with broad claims ("underhanded, meddling in internal affairs, paternalistic, and imperialist"). Given the challenge, you need to establish a consensus before your content goes in.

I explained all this in my edit summary, but you failed to engage on the article talk page, and instead immediately reverted to reinstate your entire edit. That is not consistent with encyclopedia policy and is also personally discourteous. Please don't do that again. Neutrality^talk 15:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Neutrality: You do not own the content of the Wikipedia page. Also, flagging issues clearly present in the article is not tag bombing. It is very clear from the sources section that the article is heavily dependent on primary sources and secondary sources closely associated with the subject. The content I deleted was text entirely dependent on primary sources that repeated NED talking points in order to downplay criticism. Each of the phrases "underhanded", "meddling", "paternalistic" and "imperialist" I added was verbatim in one or more of the sources I cited. If you wish to restore the bullet-pointed list of criticisms with counterclaims by NED, find some secondary sources. The content I added had far more sourcing than the content you insist on returning. (It should not be that hard to check a few pages of each book I cited) As for so-called Weasal wording, which is subjective, I would hardly consider "critics say" and such to be weasly in a section about criticism of said subject. As for COI, yes, I do think some editors of the page have a COI, given the intense amount of effort made into keeping a particular yet flawed version of said page. Also, I do not need permission from you, or anyone else, to add useful information supported by secondary sources to a page or point out an obvious problem with heavy dependence on primary sources.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

PlanespotterA320: You don't need "permission," but you do need to follow consensus, so if you want to bring the issue to the talk page, I will happy engage there. Neutrality^talk 16:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Neutrality:I already brought up the issue on the talkpage. Also, I do NOT need to get a vote of opinion from a group of editors in order to state the obvious. Consensus or not, the article is heavily dependent on primary sources, and has various other problems in terms of content. Silence is a form of consensus, and unless there is an official referendum on the talkpage that officially votes against any mention of NED support of various pro-US governments in Latin America (both democratic and not), I will add said text with the support of secondary sources, both in English and Spanish. Your opinion is not more powerful than mine just because you are an administrator. The English version of the NED article is one of the worst (compared to the more balanced versions on other language wikis with more broad coverage of organization). It is ludicrious to assume that there is consensus for mentioning NED activities in Ukraine, the Arab Spring, and Western Europe, and China but against mentioning their activities everywhere else.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Canvassing and statements about other editors

Two points:

First, this diff is quintessential canvassing. Please don't do that.

Second, I would appreciate it if you did not make statements like "Seems like one admin is exerting page ownership." For one thing, I've never invoked my admin status at the NED article, nor do I plan to. For another, please don't make false statements, like the suggestion that I am "exerting page ownership." I challenged your initial edit, and then I went on to substantially expand the article, to include new content from some of the very same sources that you first used, with better context, a fairer representation of what those sources say, and proper attribution (and without some of the very poor sources, like Eva Golinger, that were in your edit). In other words, I worked in good faith to both accommodate your concerns and my concerns. That is how the editing process is supposed to work (see, e.g. WP:BRD). Thanks. Neutrality^talk 22:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Neutrality: First of all, it was NOT "quintessential canvassing". It was not en-mass, it was open, and the message was neutral (asking for advice - maybe should I have found different sources, left a detailed edit summary, started off with a section header, or should your behavior be brought up with admins?). Please refrain from stalking my edits. Just because you have not invoked admin status at the article does not change the fact that you are an admin and are in a position of power over other editors and should be held to a high standard of behavior (that you haven't exactly upheld, by initially insisting on restoring content dependent on primary sources). I suggest that you refrain from knee-jerk reverting good-faith additions of useful information and removal of poorly sourced content in the future. Furthermore I also ask that you refrain spamming my talkpage with superfluous complaints and "warnings" and instead engage in more productive work (perhaps some copyright cleanup for a change?).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Would you kindly...

Would you kindly stop making amendments and reversions without giving an edit summary, not giving an edit summary goes against the spirit of WP:EDITSUMCITE and WP:BRD. You have been asked politely by me as well as others to always give an edit summary particularly when what you are doing is a point of discussion. I don't think I'm being unreasonable (nor is anyone else) when they're requesting you to do this. Alssa1 (talk) 23:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Would you kindly...

I wonder what the motivation of Your edits. And in other articles (for example, Vasily Chuikov, Konstantin Gerchik and others) Will you also" edit " the texts? Please do not make any more edits to the article Arkady Ostashev. Hope for your understanding. Mixrunya (talk) 16:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mixrunya: My motivation is to enforce standards for basic english and wikiformatting. It is incredibly obvious that you copy-pasted google translated text into the mainspace without any typo of copyediting (as evidenced by the many instances of "A. I. Ostasheva" appearing in the article. It is also standard to use dmy dates for these types of articles and to not have award icons. You are clearly unfamiliar with the practices of English Wikipedia, so I must order you to refrain from any further significant editing activities. Failure to do so, such as reverting to the unedited machine-translated text, will result in administrator intervention.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hailey-Likely, you think you're right, but you're not. I wrote this and other articles independently, I have a direct relationship to the topic and I really hope that my copyright will be respected regardless of the ownership of the free encyclopedia. I hope For your decency and ability to return the article to its original appearance. Mixrunya (talk) 17:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Given the abhorrent grammatical quality of the article, changes to it are absolutely nessesary and will continue to be made. It is not an infringement of your copyright to edit that article - you released the text under a free licence that allowed changed when you published it on Wikipedia. You do not have the right to assert ownership of the article and insist that no improvements be made to the linguistic catastrophe that you published. Now, get off my talkpage.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 18:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020

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Flag of Syria

As has been discussed many times on the article talk page, removing the rebel flag should not follow immediately and directly from military victories and defeats, but rather from changes in the diplomatic situation. AnonMoos (talk) 15:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: I brought up the diplomatic situation on the talkpage. As I've said, just because a government isn't 100% recognized by every state doesn't mean that equal footing should be given between it and a non-existant self-proclaiming government. ~20 countries have formal or informal relations with the rebel "gov" (some hostile negotion, not supportive diplomatic recognition), while the SAA is recognized and has positive relations with dozens more. Just because a few Global North countries don't recognize a defacto gov doesn't mean it is on equal footing with a ragtag group of disorganized rebels fighting each other that could hardly be called a government. In other news, Kosovo and Israel are not 100% recognized, but this nonsense isn't happening in the articles about their flags--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Also note the article is currently subject to discretionary sanctions authorised by the community (see: WP:GS/SCW&ISIL). The current restrictions are: Limit of one revert in 24 hours WP:1RR. Your second reversion violates these sanctions. Please follow WP:BRD practice and seek consensus rather than continuing to use revert. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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@Horse Eye's Back: Two reverts is not an editwar. And prematuraly removing problem tags isn't good.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 03:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Two reverts plus the original edit within two hours would appear to be edit warring. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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Self-immolation list

You're deleting other datas on the list just to put accidents as self-immolations. LeticiaLL (talk) 06:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

You don't even look at the sources, all are propaganda sites. LeticiaLL (talk) 06:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@LeticiaLL: You have not sourced your assertion that those incidents on Norwuz were accidents. The claim that it was self-immolation is sourced, your claim that it was an accident isn't. There is a plethora of academic literature supporting the notion it was self-immolation. Now, get off my talkpage and stop pushing your cheap Turkish propaganda.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 12:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not even Turkish. LeticiaLL (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't care. Get off my talkpage.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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Edit warring at List of political self-immolations

Hello PlanespotterA320. You've been warned for edit warring per a complaint at the noticeboard. You are risking a block if you revert the article again without first getting a consensus in your favor on the article talk page. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hi PlanespotterA320! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Uyghur genocide that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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Creating userboxes in the correct namespace

When creating userboxes that have nothing to do with building an encyclopedia, such as {{Pro-Assad}}, please be sure to put them in user space per WP:UBM. I went ahead and moved that one to your user space at {{User:PlanespotterA320/Userboxes/Supports Assad}} to match the naming of your existing userbox at {{User:PlanespotterA320/Userboxes/Bangladesh Bloggers}}. However, I don't know what other userboxes you have created in the template namespace. If any, please move them too. Thanks. – voidxor 00:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I migrated the Airbus and Boeing ones while working with them, but I would really appreciate if you would move the remainder of your userboxes from template space to user space per WP:UBM and WP:UBXNS. Seeing the other comments on your talk page, I'll add that it's important to follow policy to avoid inconveniencing other editors. Thanks again. – voidxor 20:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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Question about a reverted edit

Hey, I know you have nothing to do with what I'm going to ask you, but since you're on the mentor page I figured maybe you could help as I really don't know who else I could ask. So the problem is that my edits keep getting reverted by the ClueBott (see here). However, reporting it as a false positive would take way too long until it gets reviewed and since I'm still pretty new, I might have made a mistake. I have no clue what I did wrong though, so I wanted to ask you if maybe you find something I did wrong or if not, what I could try to do then. CanePlayz (Jacob) (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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You accidentally posted your reply in wrong talk page section

See Talk:Uyghur genocide. You meant to reply to me in the move discussion section but instead posted a reply at the end of the discussion about the wording "amounting to". You might want to move your reply to the correct place. Mr248 (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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Akhtem Seitablayev

Hello. If we use standardised spelling on Wikipedia why do we have different editions of the surname in the paper (Seitablayev, Seitablaiev, Seitablaev)? I think we should just have one edition (-ayev or -aiev, but not -aev). And Shevketovych can only be -vych (for example Oleksiyovych, Oleksandrovych). What do you think of it all? — QAtlantic.mn (talk), 13:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

We have an official romanization system for cyrillic on Wikipedia. Because some people with cyrillic names use the non-standard way in official reference to their names in their english media, there are exceptions. In the case of Seitablayev, there's been a bit of a stupid editwar over this, since the spelling of his name varies greatly across the English publications about him. However, most of his media coverage is not in English, so we will try to keep to Wikipedia standards. The trilingual issue here further complicates things too.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 13:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Hello

Hello, can you check the situation in this article? You might want to check User talk:Каракорум#Please use English in edit summaries first. This user has been making Russian nationalist edits and calling people who revert his edits as his "opponents". Now they reverted my and other editors' edits at attempting to fix that horrible nationalist POV article calling them "strange edits", and when I undid this act of vandalism it seems they have blamed me for WP:EDITWAR and WP:BATTLEGROUND, which I say is ironic since that's exactly what they have been doing. I think we need a third opinion to avoid an edit war, so can you check that? Adigabrek^Talk 16:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Manshuk Mametova

Hi, I saw that you wrote much of the Manshuk Mametova article. It was several years ago and I don't know if you're still watching it, but an editor is challenging the "last stand" sources on Talk:Manshuk Mametova and I thought perhaps you might want to discuss it with them. I don't really know anything about subject, I just reverted their blanking and suggested they discuss it on the talk page. Cheers! Schazjmd (talk) 22:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Oops, you already posted there while I was typing here...nm. Schazjmd (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Jurate Rosales

Hello, hola PlanespotterA320, it´s already explicit in the article and in the cathegories that Rosales' hypothesis isn´t the standard, that's the interesting side of it. Deleting a so big part of the article makes the effort to translate it of JMabel ends in nothing. It seems an extreme decission, it may be discussed if you want but maybe we don´t have time for it. This user is going to undo the last change in Jurate Rosales' article. It´s nothing personal.Rovirarovere (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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The WikiEagle

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Mitglieder New Members KingAviationKid (Joined on 17 December) PatrickChiao (Joined on 22 December) Wp9097 (Joined on 16 December) Number of active members: 386. Total number of members: 921. Closed Discussions Featured Article assessment Jim Lovell (discussion) – Closed as promoted on 26 December 2021 Good Article assessment HAL Tejas (discussion) – Closed as not promoted on 30 December 2021 William Hodgson (RAF officer) (discussion) – Closed as promoted on 26 December 2021 Supermarine Sea King (discussion) – Closed as promoted on 22 December 2021 Raymond Hesselyn (discussion) – Closed as promoted on 4 December 2021 Deletion Timeline of Berlin Brandenburg Airport's construction (discussion) – Closed as delete and redirect on 30 December 2021 Evergreen International Airlines Flight 17 (discussion) – Closed as keep on 25 December 2021 Requested moves Akbarpur (Ambedkar Nagar) Airstrip → Akbarpur Airstrip (discussion) – Closed as moved on 30 December 2021 1983 Avensa Douglas DC-9 crash → Avensa Flight 007 (discussion) – Closed as moved on 30 December 2021 Garuda Indonesia Flight 035 → Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 035 (discussion) – Withdrawn on 28 December 2021	Article Statistics This data reflects values from DMY. Aviation pages by quality Quality Total FA 142 FL 15 A 56 GA 505 B 4,573 C 11,878 Start 15,082 Stub 18,754 List 2,539 Kategorie 11,638 Disambig 653 File 2,713 Portal 629 Project 89 Redirect 1,518 Template 2,489 NA 66 Assessed 73,339 Unassessed 1 Total 73,340 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 251,165 Ω = 4.92
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De-Tatarization of Crimea

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Own

Please read WP:OWN as you appear to be operating under the mistaken assumption that you can make whatever changes to an article you like, and can decide what goes into them, just because you created them. Canterbury Tail talk 22:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

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Plus you clearly know you're editing against consensus, you do not need to breach 3 reverts in 24 hours to be guilty of edit warring. Canterbury Tail talk 16:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia references both current and old names for cities. An example is <a href=“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin”>Stalin’s Page</a>, it clearly says he was born in the Russian Empire which is now Georgia. Same thing with the current situation, Assam was born in Akka, Mandatory Palestine, which is now Acre, Israel. Syphenta (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Syphenta: The article you cited notes that his birthplace was in the Russian Empire at the time and the place in question is part of present day Georgia. It does not do what you are trying to do and say he was born in Georgia before it existed. You are obviously a new editor and are clearly struggling with the basic formatting requirements of wikipedia. Please refrain from other major editing until otherwise, (Wikipedia:Competence is required)--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 13:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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@PlanespotterA320:

This user wants Russia to leave Abkhazia.

This user wants Russia to leave South Ossetia.

This user wants Russia to leave Crimea.

This user is afraid that Russia is going to invade Ukraine again. Catfurball (talk) 17:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Catfurball: I don't make userboxes anymore. Make them yourself.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 19:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Template:Xinjiang topics, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring at Uyghur genocide

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Uyghur genocide. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Editwar is THREE reverts, NOT 2!--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I think you're getting confused by WP:3rr, two reverts can certainly be edit warring. Especially when the edit is not justified on the talk page. If you read the warning you would know this, see: "Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;". Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:21, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on East Turkistan Government-in-Exile. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Please refrain from your POV terms (such as separatist and so-called). Beshogur (talk) 23:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.— Mhawk10 (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for belligerently pushing genocide denialist talking points.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I did not have much opportunity to write in the admin noticeboard discussion since I was in class all morning. (Please read my comments in a <!--- --> note here I'm just too embarrassed to publish it prominently. I cannot help but note it is quite ironic that I am being blocked for my "genocide denialist" notes about an ongoing event (meaning we lack the ability to judge it well by looking at post-event sources and consensus and view long-term trends) that are largely on talkpages and edit summaries while many an editor has denied the genocidal nature of events where genocidal intent is far more obvious (being accompanied by a population plummet, apartheid-like laws, derecognition as an ethnic group, etc). I would also like to point out that the vast majority of my work in the realm of minority and CIS subjects is indisputably productive and adds to the wiki (one editwar over a hyphen does not negate years of work researching, writing, expanding, and publishing a plethora of biographies on prominent peoples of national minorities, which I cannot finish from my to-do list under a block.) Did I go too far editing some of the Xinjiang articles? Perhaps. Was I in a sleep-deprived rage that the situation in Xinjiang, envied by heavily marginalized (especially unrecognized and exiled peoples) is dubbed "genocide"? Yeah. However, most of my edits (which are over 20,000) remain to be objective improvements to the state of the wiki. Coverage of Eastern bloc aviation remains pretty bad and was absolutely abysmal before I joined wikipedia. Blocking me isn't going to help improve any of that. New Xinjiang skeptics will come and go until sufficient times passes to view these events through a historical lens, but I highly doubt anyone will bother to write the articles for Ishembai Abdraimov, Viktor Kolyadin, or Midat Selimov in English anytime soon or expand the stubs I just published (with intention of expanding them later this month, just wanting to make the wikilink not red) if I don't.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

There is no way you are going to be unblocked to continue to edit about that topic. If that is all you are interested in doing, this is the end of the line. Accepting a topic ban from that topic is a must, and more than likely no unblock will be considered for at least six months, see the standard offer. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

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Request reason:

In case it wasn't clear I am accepting of a topic ban for Xinjiang and am NOT asking for an unblock to edit that topic. I'll admit that I haven't been very diplomatic about my opinions here having very irate that the use of the g-word is treated as gospel in Xinjiang matters but treated as a controversial matter in far more dire events, and have no desire to continue editing in that shitstorm. But an indef ban stopping me from improving and revising the articles I've created, creating new articles, editing my sandbox, and expanding stubs on completely different topics isn't going to improve Wikipedia's content deficiencies in the many niche areas that I am almost single-handedly responsible for improving. I have to say that I am VERY concerned about the very real risk of an incompetent editor copy-pasting machine-translated text (like this) into one of the many stub articles I've started off but not finished yet I will not even have the opportunity to improve. I have many VERY long to-do lists [1] [2][3], more than one draft in progress[4], and over 100 stubs to expand. And that's not even counting my work tracking down much-needed public domain photos for use in articles in numerous wikis, including English Wikipedia (meaning I certainly will find more PD photos to be added to articles in English Wikipedia but as long as I'm fully blocked I will be unable to add them to articles). Other note: it is worth noting that since English Wikipedia is one of the most commonly translated from wikis, and MANY of my articles have since been translated on other wikis complete with attribution via a "Translated page" tag, depriving me of the ability to edit and expand the article's I've written as well as create new ones not only harms English Wikipedia but the many other wikis that look to the content I work hard to create on English Wikipedia as a go-to source to start off their translated articles.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 14:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Given the discussion over at WP:ANI, I believe any admin who unblocked you in the next six months would have their adminship revoked. On that basis, I decline your unblock request. I think your best bet is to go six months and then apply under WP:SO. At that point, you'll need to suggest a topic ban, as you did here (though frankly, you may want to consider a substantially broader topic ban), and also address your belligerence, as this was a critical factor in your block. I'll warn you, I don't think I've ever seen someone who engaged in genocide denial unblocked. The Wikipedia community takes a very dim view of that. Yamla (talk) 11:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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@Yamla: If genocide denial (or in this case, current-event based hesitancy to use the g-word because things can obviously get way worse ergo using it now is very premature) is grounds for an indef block...I think that will be news to a LOT of editors of other wikis who engage in blatant genocide apologetics of far clearer historic genocides (whose point isn't "There's no net population drop or derecognition as an ethnic group, so let's not use the g-word until then because if/when that happens nobody will realize the gravity of it" but "Yes, there was a huge population drop, but they deserved it/not enough were killed/assimilated"). Heck, First Nations genocide apologists still dominate the mainspace of American history articles. You may be interested to know that in the case of a genocide I have become wikipedia's subject matter go-to person on (the Surgun), the g-word wasn't even used in the first decade after a population plummet and the total ethnic cleansing from the peninsula, but only started being used by the activists in the 1960's after the notorious Ukaz 493 was made public and the confusion about the meaning died down, after which they realized they were officially not seen as a distinct ethnic group anymore and supposed to transform/assimilate into another to fit that perception. I would also like to point out that in the discussion (which I did not have the opportunity to participate in and respond to for most of due to being in class), there was hardly a strong consensus for a total block, even the nominator himself favored a topic ban, the total block seemed to be more the one admin's personal whim than a ruling out of a strong consensus. As for my beligerence on other topics, I'll admit to taking part in the occasional editwar over something very petty like a hyphen, and I'll certainly try to be less so, but that doesn't change the fact that my contributions in developing content related to national minority history has been overwhelmingly beneficial to the wiki - from expanding the biographies of numerous people (previously stubs) from Amet-khan Sultan to Fyodor Okhlopkov to publishing articles previously only available in other languages, such as Lyalya Nasukhanova and Girey Bairov. And that doesn't even include all the articles I've written related to the Crimean Tatar movement (many of them unfinished, like the Tashkent Ten article, currently only a stub, which is why I am begging for an unblock) that have yet to be translated to other languages (but I hope that if/when they are, I will have gotten to expand/finish them first). If you are refering to a broader topic ban in mind as in China or Sino-American split related articles, I can understand that, but a ban on all national minority editing would be going WAAAYYY too far, and would impair my ability to make many productive and objectively beneficial edits to numerous stub articles tagged for improvement. I would also like to express concern about the potential for some of the articles on my watchlist that I have heavily contributed to being subject to vandalism/bad edits that I will not be able to revert unless I were to stoop low enough to sockpuppeting (after all, Amet-khan Sultan's article is protected on Russian wikipedia due to being the subject of nonstop attacks from anti-Tatar nationalists). And many Night Witches articles (which I am largely responsible for expanding and creating) have been subject to unproductive edits (albeit many of them in good faith, simply with poor grammar machine-translated content added)--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 14:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

No need to ping me, so please don't. You aren't trying to convince me, you are trying to convince the next admin who reviews your next unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 16:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yamla: Then would you AT LEAST protect a few articles that are high-risk of vandalism when I am away (Yes I saw that note about pinging, but pages need an admin to protect them): Amet-khan Sultan (He strongly identified as Crimean Tatar, not Dagestani, having serious daddy issues after all, but paternalist revisionists in various language wikis have repeatedly tried to disrespect his right to self-identification and painted him as a Dagestani or even a Lak "contaminated" by Crimean Tatar blood); Tatarophobia - has had some very colorful (unsourced of course) edits by anti-Tatar nationalists; and Manshuk Mametova (large sections removed unilaterally).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

No. Don't ping me again. And be warned, continued personal attacks will count against any further unblock request from you. --Yamla (talk) 17:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I did not say anything about you personally in that note. I merely indicated that article protection requires admin decision (and you happen to be an admin, ergo you are capable of protecting high-risk articles). As for the rest of the comment, I was merely describing the nature of vandalism that I have witnessed to those articles (both on enwiki and others). That has nothing to do with you and I was not insinuating that you were the ip editor involved in those cases (which I highly doubt is done by one single person). This is NOT personal. This is about the greater good of wikipedia.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

This user is asking that her block be reviewed:

PlanespotterA320 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I still have a LOT of work to do here in wikipedia. I will not edit any Xinjiang-related articles, or even so much as editwar over a hypen. But there are edits that I NEED to make, such as in:

• Tashkent Ten - currently a stub, which I created with the intention of expanding later
• Crimean Tatar civil rights movement - same case. I even have some of the body paragraphs in progress in my sandbox
• Lenur Arifov - only got started, didn't get a chance to add much
• Midat Selimov - rather famous researcher
• Haytarma (disambiguation)
  • Haytarma (dance) ru:Хайтарма (танец)
  • Haytarma (ensemble) (ru:Хайтарма (ансамбль)
• 508th Fighter Aviation Regiment - just saw that this article on my to-do list is written, albeit VERY poorly (just look at the notable members list - some people are listed as surname-givenname-patronymic, others by givenname-patronymic-surname, with no consistency about it)
• Valery Kuzmin - never got around to expanding this one
• Boris Glinka - same thing
• Vasily Pavlov (test pilot) - been meaning to do this article for YEARS
• cleanup List of Heroes of the Soviet Union (K) - remove interlanguage links for ones with articles, change link names of ones where link is of wrong person of similar name
• Nikolai Goryushkin - stub I missed in the twice Heroes list
• Aleksandr Rodimtsev - borderline stub, but needs to be MUCH longer
• Soviet Korean war pilots (bought a book JUST FOR this kind of article and haven't gotten around to citing it much yet):
  • Konstantin Sheberstov
  • Grigory Pulov
  • Serafim Subbotin
  • Anatoly Karelin
  • Boris Siskov
• Photographers:
  • Olga Lander
  • Olga Ignatovich
  • Natalya Bode
  • Vasily Malyshev
  • Naum Granovsky
  • Boris Vdovenko
  • Pavel Troshkin
  • Georgy Zelma
• Snipers
  • Nikolai Galushkin
  • Nikolai Ilyin (sniper)
  • Ivan Kulbertinov
  • Mikhail Burdenkov
  • Pyotr Goncharov
  • Tuleugali Abdybekov
  • Vera Artamonovna
  • Mariya Zubchenko
  • Nina Belobrova

...and many, many more redlinked, stub, and badly written (machine-translation style) articles. Even the editor who NOMINATED me for the discussion (which I barely got to participate in) acknowledged that I do good work in this area. It isn't exactly a secret that there are many parts of wikipedia that will fall apart without my edit support (getting mass filled with unedited machine-translated nonsense, whilst I won't even have an opportunity to do fixes)--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=I still have a LOT of work to do here in wikipedia. I will not edit any Xinjiang-related articles, or even so much as editwar over a hypen. But there are edits that I NEED to make, such as in: * [[Tashkent Ten]] - currently a stub, which I created with the intention of expanding later * [[Crimean Tatar civil rights movement]] - same case. I even have some of the body paragraphs in progress in my sandbox * [[Lenur Arifov]] - only got started, didn't get a chance to add much * [[Midat Selimov]] - rather famous researcher * [[Haytarma (disambiguation)]] ** [[Haytarma (dance)]] [[:ru:Хайтарма (танец)]] ** [[Haytarma (ensemble)]] ([[:ru:Хайтарма (ансамбль)]] * [[508th Fighter Aviation Regiment]] - just saw that this article on my to-do list is written, albeit VERY poorly (just look at the notable members list - some people are listed as surname-givenname-patronymic, others by givenname-patronymic-surname, with no consistency about it) * [[Valery Kuzmin]] - never got around to expanding this one * [[Boris Glinka]] - same thing * [[Vasily Pavlov (test pilot)]] - been meaning to do this article for YEARS * cleanup [[List of Heroes of the Soviet Union (K)]] - remove interlanguage links for ones with articles, change link names of ones where link is of wrong person of similar name * [[Nikolai Goryushkin]] - stub I missed in the twice Heroes list * [[Aleksandr Rodimtsev]] - borderline stub, but needs to be MUCH longer * Soviet Korean war pilots (bought a book JUST FOR this kind of article and haven't gotten around to citing it much yet): ** [[Konstantin Sheberstov]] ** [[Grigory Pulov]] ** [[Serafim Subbotin]] ** [[Anatoly Karelin]] ** [[Boris Siskov]] *Photographers: ** [[Olga Lander]] ** [[Olga Ignatovich]] ** [[Natalya Bode]] ** [[Vasily Malyshev]] ** [[Naum Granovsky]] ** [[Boris Vdovenko]] ** [[Pavel Troshkin]] ** [[Georgy Zelma]] *Snipers ** [[Nikolai Galushkin]] ** [[Nikolai Ilyin (sniper)]] ** [[Ivan Kulbertinov]] ** [[Mikhail Burdenkov]] ** [[Pyotr Goncharov]] ** [[Tuleugali Abdybekov]] ** [[Vera Artamonovna]] ** [[Mariya Zubchenko]] ** [[Nina Belobrova]] ...and many, many more redlinked, stub, and badly written (machine-translation style) articles. Even the editor who NOMINATED me for the discussion (which I barely got to participate in) acknowledged that I do good work in this area. It isn't exactly a secret that there are many parts of wikipedia that will fall apart without my edit support (getting mass filled with unedited machine-translated nonsense, whilst I won't even have an opportunity to do fixes)--[[User:PlanespotterA320|PlanespotterA320]] ([[User talk:PlanespotterA320#top|talk]]) 22:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)  |3 = ~~~~}}

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