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Third party claim of Bamber being sexually assaulted

A sentence in the article reads: "Brett Collins, a former close friend of Bamber's, claims Bamber was sexually assaulted when he was 11." This statement appears to be cited to Powell, at Pages 46 & 48. Powell, Claire (1994). Murder at White House Farm. Headline Book Publishing. ISBN 978-0747243663. Three questions: (1) As a reported claim of a third person, is the statement necessary as part of the article? If so, (2) is the source cited for the claim adequate as a reference to support the statement? (3) Does such a claim need an additional, independent source (or sources) in order to remain in the article? My own inclination is that the sentence is poorly sourced and does not add to the encyclopedic value of the article. I would remove it, but I'm interested in others' insights and observations, so I bring it up here. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 21:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you quote what the source says? E Eng 21:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: No, as the book cited as the source is not online and has no preview, so I have not been able to verify exactly what is said. I tried to find a listing for the book in a library near my, but I found nothing. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going away in a week or so until mid-September, but if you ping me then I'll get it. In the meantime that tidbit's been there at least 10 years so I don't think we need to sweat it. E Eng 22:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will do. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: I found two other books, one of which has a preview available online. Pure Evil: Inside the Minds and Crimes of Britain’s Worst Criminals, Geoffrey Wansell · Penguin 2018, ISBN 9781405936163. The other was written by the husband and father of the victims: In Search of the Rainbow's End: Inside the White House Farm Murders, Colin Caffell · Hodder & Stoughton 2020, ISBN 9781529309171 (reprint of original published in 1994). No preview for that one and no copy in a library near me. Wansell repeats the allegation without naming the source and leaves the allegation as unconfirmed. FWIW, seems like a thin reed, like repeating the old canard about the goings on in public schools back in the day. I'll be interested in your take when you have a chance to look at Powell's (and/or Caffell's) book. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::I'm going away in a week or so until mid-September, but if you ping me then I'll get it. In the meantime that tidbit's been there at least 10 years so I don't think we need to sweat it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 ::::Thanks. Will do. [[User:Glane23|Geoff]] &#124; <sup> [[User talk:Glane23#top|Who, me?]]</sup> 22:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
+::::{{reply to|EEng}} I found two other books, one of which has a preview available online. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pure_Evil/hjI_DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Bamber+was+sexually+assaulted&pg=PT124&printsec=frontcover Pure Evil: Inside the Minds and Crimes of Britain’s Worst Criminals],  Geoffrey Wansell · Penguin 2018, ISBN 9781405936163. The other was written by the husband and father of the victims: In Search of the Rainbow's End: Inside the White House Farm Murders, Colin Caffell · Hodder & Stoughton 2020,  ISBN 9781529309171 (reprint of original published in 1994). No preview for that one and no copy in a library near me. Wansell repeats the allegation without naming the source and leaves the allegation as unconfirmed. FWIW, seems like a thin reed, like repeating the old canard about the goings on in public schools back in the day. I'll be interested in your take when you have a chance to look at Powell's (and/or Caffell's) book. [[User:Glane23|Geoff]] &#124; <sup> [[User talk:Glane23#top|Who, me?]]</sup> 22:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)