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==oops==
there is more mythology involved in the early days of the green movement in tasmania than you could poke a campfire full of toasted cheese sandwiches - I reverted the wrong bit - cheers [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 06:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
::blah blah ygm [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 06:14, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
::saint B was not a founding UTG member [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 06:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
::Yeah I am not imputing your editing as mis-representing the B business - the email might explain part - more issues than a can of unsourced comments... [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 06:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

==Federal politicians==

No worries! Not like it'll be a problem going anywhere any time soon. I'm just meandering through doing them amidst other projects, and trying to break up and expand some of the Psephos stubs a bit so they're a bit more easily editable than the one-paragraph ones.

I did try to add the auto-archiving thing a while ago but it didn't take for some reason (I hate fiddling with this stuff) - just gave it another try. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 07:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

== Candidates articles ==

I know you tend to be the one to create candidate articles ie: [[Candidates of the South Australian state election, 2014]] - an editor created a list at [[South Australian state election, 2018]] so I created [[Candidates of the South Australian state election, 2018]] and moved the contents there. Would you be willing to convert the contents to be in line with standard article layout? [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 01:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

:Thanks. I agree it is a bit early for a candidate article (though for [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-16/labor-sa-preselections-sets-malinauskas-to-switch-to-lower-house/8277910 state SA, perhaps not...?]), however I had two choices - remove the candidate tables added by another user, or move them to the inevitable candidate article. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 08:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

::Yeah, Kandelaars/Hanson has had extremely little coverage indeed. When an [[List of South Australian Legislative Council appointments|appointment]] isn't the result of a scandal (Finnigan), incumbent MP death, or party affiliation change, there is so little content to put in to a typical media article you'd find today, that the lack of any of the three almost automatically consigns it out of the realm of the media/news outlets. As for many retiring MPs, it is mostly about party renewal for hasbeens (or in the case of the fourth-term Liberal opposition, hasbeens/neverwasbeens). And it's no coincidence that Atkinson and Rankine are leaving at the same time... I bet you didn't know they're a long-term couple. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 10:20, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

:::Two SALC Libs to one SALC ALP can hardly be described as "better"... more "less worse" or "aberration". And Gago/Gazzola aside, remember that Malinauskas is also leaving the LC at the next election as he's moving to the seat of Croydon - so Labor's 2018 SALC ticket will notably be a completely new set of candidates. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 11:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Don Nardella succession ==

Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I take your point about long and short term succession being clear, but my understanding (and admittedly vague memory of the [[Victorian state election, 1999]]) was that [[Candy Broad]] succeeded [[Caroline Hogg]] who resigned mid-term, not [[Don Nardella]] who retired at the end of his term to contest Melton. My suspicion was that the member table for [[Melbourne North Province]] was the wrong way round and Nardella should be succeeded by [[Marsha Thomson]], but I changed the succession to a two-member one on Nardella's article, intending to follow it up later. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 02:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

==PNG==

Thanks! It's been interesting - PNG politics has a reputation for being hugely chaotic but I've been able to generally make sense of most of the significant party and parliamentary changes, and I thought I'd try and make it less of a sea of red ahead of elections in a couple months. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 08:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

:Quick catch with Francis! I'd assumed he'd definitely scrape back over the line so that was a pleasant surprise. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 11:43, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

== Returning independent candidates (WA election) ==

Would you happen to know if there are any independent candidates at the 2017 WA election who ran in the same seats in 2013 (for calculating primary vote swings)? I know of one, Dave Schumacher in Dawesville, however I'm sure I identified at least one other at some point, but don't seem to have noted it down. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 04:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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:Never mind, {{User|The Drover's Wife}} answered this for me, Jim Bivoltsis in Churchlands! --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 05:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== Strikethrough for election results ==

Hi Frickeg. Any particular reason you [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_for_the_Australian_federal_election,_2016_(Senate) don't like the strikethrough for election results]? I can see why it is problematic in things like senate lists, but it seemed to me to be a useful way to deal with election results that were later changed by a court decision - perhaps that's a reflection of it being in common use in my work. It is not a major issue for me, but I am interested in understanding your perspective. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 05:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

== Progress party 1977 ==

Actually in this case, my source says that everything works out like that for Everton and Flinders. In Everton, the candidate is listed as O.C. Pershouse (Owen Clark Pershouse), and the candidate for Flinders is listed as O.H. Pershouse (Owen Herbert Pershouse). I'm not entirely sure if that's right, it could be a typo, but, it's in Colin Hughes's book at the least. [[User:Kirsdarke01|Kirsdarke01]] ([[User talk:Kirsdarke01|talk]]) 02:41, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

==[[Robert Staines]]==
Thanks for your message. I'm pleased you are pleased and I'm sorry that you are struggling. Your vigilance in protecting notability standards is commendable. I clearly have a minority view of notability so do what you feel is necessary and I won't be offended. For me it seems odd to go to the bother of adding names of people who contest elections and hold public office and then deem them as non-notable. What is the point of having black/non-linked names in a list or article? The value of the alternative is that when linked the public can easily see the subject's other political and community activity. There is wide coverage of his political activities in central Queensland in the 1920s and '30s. His death in NSW is extensively covered in the press of two states. I had intended putting in more biographical detail when I found out his other terms as Chairman of Banana but at this stage I won't bother. It will be a shame if the public record of of a politically active Queenslander is deleted but that is probably inevitable. [[User:Castlemate|Castlemate]] ([[User talk:Castlemate|talk]]) 03:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
: The obituary is from the Courier-Mail. [[User:Castlemate|Castlemate]] ([[User talk:Castlemate|talk]]) 05:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[WP:ALTNAME]] RFC ==

[[WP:MOS]] was changed after an [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies/2017 archive#RfC: Clarification and/or change in how common hypocorisms (diminutives) are handled on first use of name|RFC about it in late 2016]], so only about six months ago, but I only became aware of it last week. I have also created hundreds of such biographies like this, although I was never a big fan of the "hypocorism" style anyway, but I'm also a bit hesitant to do it as well which is why I only did two or three. I agree it's not clear what is a "common" or "obvious" hypocorism, and I would be inclined to leave what I consider to be uncommon ones like [[Mickey Dewar]]. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]])

==North Queensland Party==

Thanks for that catch! Such a bizarre error, too, because it's not like Aikens was a quiet figure in minor party politics. I continue to be surprised at how amazingly inaccurate A Plague on Both Your Houses is - it's one of the most inaccurate published books about politics I've ever come across, which is so strange for something written by Dean Jaensch. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 03:22, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

:I'm not sure you're in the right with that new editor about the names - although he's making the wrong argument because he doesn't get [[WP:COMMONNAME]], I think he might be right that they're the right names. John Rendell Street seems to turn up much more hits for that name (with "John Street" actually referring to his father), while George Kenyon Holden is preferred enough that "George Holden" "legislative council" turns up a person of the same name from the St Arnaud Rifle Club in the first page of Google. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 06:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

==strategy==
At this stage I am in process of writing a report about discussions in Australia about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017 the cycle 2 of the broader wikimedia strategy -

You may well have responded elsewhere - but if you at all interested - not the slightest bother if you are not - please feel free to contact on or off wiki - thanks [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 04:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

==Term dates==

Hey, I'm not sure where to find this and I figured you might have an idea - which date do you use for MPs when you're adding terms to infoboxes, etc? I'd like to roll them out for the PNG MPs, but I get confused between election day/return of writs/swearing in/etc., and it's complicated more there by PNG holding elections over several days. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 10:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

:Argh, I'd forgotten that the parliamentary site had dates - which complicates the heck out of things, because they use swearing-in dates that are different for nearly every member. They've only had this info since 2013, which means I'm never going to be able to find the exact dates for anyone who wasn't elected in this term of parliament. I wonder if it might be necessary to just use months for anyone before that. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 16:00, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

== WA results ==

Fair call on Albury, but where there was a 2PP count done in 2013 (adjusted for redistributions), the swing was calculated from that. Do you disagree? --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 12:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, I was referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Results_of_the_Western_Australian_state_election,_2017_(Legislative_Assembly)&diff=prev&oldid=786739560 this edit]. You've changed the swing in the 2PP count where Labor was not in the 2CP count in 2013? What I was saying was that swing was based on the 2013 notional 2PP count between LIB and ALP. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 12:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, you're right (sorry, it is late), and I'm not sure what happened as the results tables in the district articles seem to be the same as what you have done here which is odd as they would have been generated the same way. Can you double check Kwinana though? --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I'll double check them all tomorrow. First three and last one (Albany, Baldivis, Central Wheatbelt, NW Central) are all good I think, I've got some doubts about Geraldton, Kalgoorlie and Kwinana but I'll have to rummage through a few things to work it out and I'm too tired to do it now. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 13:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::::I've changed Geraldton and Kalgoorlie where there was a 2PP count/estimate in Green's redistribution margin calculations (although Geraldton was wrong in the results list but not in the district article, the ALP/LIB swing was 21.5). I'll check them all on the weekend against the new [http://parliament.wa.gov.au/intranet/libpages.nsf/WebFiles/Publications+Antony+Green+2017+election+analysis/$FILE/Publications+Antony+Green+2017+election+analysis.pdf Analysis of Results] published this morning! --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 22:31, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

==Early political parties==

Hey, before I forget - remembering old discussions on here, I recently picked up a bunch of old books on the formation of political parties in general and the Labor Party in particular - is there anything you'd like me to dig up? I'm about to be super busy for a few months so I just thought I'd mention it. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 10:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

:[http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/8625932?q=the+emergence+of+the+australian+party+system&c=book This book] has about 70 pages on the development of the Victorian party system generally, so I'll jump in and have a read when I get the chance. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 10:28, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

== [[T. J. Ryan]] ==

Well, I didn't know the guy personally but he is always called T.J. Ryan here in sunny Queensland (and I've chalked up quite a few decades here). I'd have to stop and think for a while to even remember what T.J. stood for. Certainly his biographers favour T.J. Ryan, compare

http://trove.nla.gov.au/book/result?q=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland

with

http://trove.nla.gov.au/book/result?q=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland

or repeat the same pair of searches on google.

My preference would be to stick with T.J. Ryan on the common name principle even though it is not consistent with other Qld MLAs. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 07:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

:I can be a bit gung-ho about these things and already moved it back, but yes, Kerry is right about this one. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 11:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

::I think in modern usage it's not inconsistent: [[Billy Hughes]] is pretty much always referred to as that these days unless someone's being specifically very formal, and [[Stanley Bruce]] has four times as many Google hits at that name than for SM or Stanley Melbourne. TJ Ryan has several times more Google hits than "Tom Ryan", and HV Evatt is even further out - "HV Evatt" has more than ten times the Google hits than "Bert Evatt" and "Herbert Evatt" and five times as many as "Herbert Vere Evatt". [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 22:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Qld MLA/MLC stubs ==

I should have thought of this earlier, but didn't. As you seem to be looking at Qld parliamentarians at the moment, if you see any that are minimal stubs in terms of actual article content like [[William Little (politician)]], can you draw my attention to them. The easiest way for me is if you dump them in the bottom of my [[User:Kerry Raymond#Assorted To-Do lists|To-Do list]] but any way you want to do it works for me. My intention is not so much that I want to work on them myself but that I am always in need of topics to use in edit training. I find the safest way to do edit training is to find a group of very under-developed stubs where I know there is good source information available (so the edit training session is not spent doing research but actually adding content with citations). Qld MLA/MLCs are very good topics for this purpose as there is almost always something about each of them on the [https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/members/former/member-register Queensland Parliament's Former Members database] plus if they oblige me by dying before 1955, there is usually a newspaper obituary in Trove or if later, I can often pick up an obituary in Hansard. So if you should stumble over any, I'd appreciate knowing. The hardest thing about edit training these days is coming up with the articles to practice on as I want to avoid large articles with huge numbers of page watchers as the trainees need to have a postive experience at training (go home and show family/friends "look I did this!") and page watchers seem to enjoy beating up the newbies, which isn't a positive experience. Note, I don't cover infoboxes in introductory training so I'm interested in articles with little narrative content (the existence or magnificence of the infobox is irrelevant to my needs). And I never do BLP with trainees so living politicans are out too. Thanks if you can help. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 07:40, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:No worries if you've moved on. I don't use Qld topics because of my own interests, but rather because I do training in Queensland and using local topics means trainees (who are mostly middle-aged and older) have familiarility with the topic space even though the actual subject may not known to them, which means the time is spent on the Wikipedia side of things rather on the learning/researching. E.g. I don't have to explain to Queenslanders that we have no upper house. I took a look at your SA parliamentarians as a possibility but I see what you mean about their former members website -- it is pretty sparse. To be honest we don't add that much content during training sessions, it's more that I hope that for someone in the room, I light a fire in them and they become active in an ongoing way. To be honest, I am not sure that I ever had much success when training with the source editor, but the Visual Editor has been a game changer. People find it so much more intuitive. People find stuff like headings, character formatting, bullet lists, tables etc sufficiently similar to most word processors that I just skim over it briefly and make wikilinks and citations the main focus of the training. Being able to reuse a citation with copy-and-paste within and between articles is also very intuitive to them (the VE is smart with copy and paste of citations, so you don't have to worry about whether, under the hood, you are copying the original citation or a re-use, it just works!). I am seeing people I've trained on VE popping up on my watchlist more and more (and obviously others may be active on articles outside of my areas of interest), so it does make me feel more hopeful for the future. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 23:32, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks re Stuart Robert ==

Thanks for pointing out my error re Stuart Robert - for some reason I thought he had slunk away after resigning as a minister before the last election, but I am mistaken. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 06:35, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Politicians ==

I do know of at least one similar article a couple of years ago for a Canadian politician (I can't actually remember his name) who was declared elected to a provincial legislature, but then the provincial government overturned the results and refused to seat him due to alleged irregularities in the district — the guy even sued to get the overturn revoked, but he lost the suit and then lost the revote. But because he had never actually been seated as a ''member'' of the legislature, the consensus was that it just made him a BIO1E, and so the situation should just be briefly discussed in the overview article on the election rather than a standalone biography. There are very likely other similar situations as well, but I just know of the one offhand.

I'm not saying, for the record, that we shouldn't maintain any content about Dropulich at all — I just question why technically winning an election, but never actually holding the office because the result was overturned in court, makes him a person who needs a ''standalone'' biography about him as a ''person'' rather than an ''event'' article about the ''situation''. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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:This is not a bad idea, FWIW - a few of us have been taking on the Australian backlog and it saves plenty of articles and keeps clueless Americans from biting newbies on topics they know nothing about. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 01:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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:::Thanks guys - I'll consider it. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg#top|talk]]) 00:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

==[[Mark Bagshaw]]==
In a very short space of time with very few contributions and one I consider to be questionable I'm wondering if this person really is non-notable.

https://disabilityemployment.org.au/about-us/hall-of-fame/item/1327/

http://www.smh.com.au/business/technology-the-key-to-changing-the-culture-of-disability-20150129-130wv5.html

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/great-leadership-and-skill-shine-through-in-gillards-disabilitycare/news-story/fb1b8436dad891aad9b7a1a7dab9126f

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/great-leadership-and-skill-shine-through-in-gillards-disabilitycare/news-story/fb1b8436dad891aad9b7a1a7dab9126f

https://www.cesphn.org.au/document-categories/ndis/1622-ndis-impact-needs-and-planning-project-final-report-and-business-plan/file

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PE3x5IvpPs8

http://innov8group.com.au/linked/cv_summary.pdf

http://www.theablemovement.com.au/about-us/team/

http://pixel3.com.au/our-work/interview-dr-mark-bagshaw-disability-employment-australia/

http://www.abc.net.au/rampup/articles/2011/03/02/3153070.htm

http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/mark-bagshaw-who-suffers-a-disability-and-is-wheelchair-news-photo/539722479?#mark-bagshaw-who-suffers-a-disability-and-is-wheelchair-bound-a-picture-id539722479

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnChTqH99Z4C&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=%22mark+Bagshaw%22+disability&source=bl&ots=Slyvht0gSR&sig=xHi8r-PzmVqGSkBV0F0ZSuBXYNM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA4aCOlbTYAhXEi7wKHSPSDIwQ6AEIOTAJ#v=onepage&q=%22mark%20Bagshaw%22%20disability&f=false

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=pjEtZpGfdcwC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=%22mark+Bagshaw%22+disability&source=bl&ots=W4l5ujs_jh&sig=Y8FRjeIAppxAH3djd-_kidavNGs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibm4fRlbTYAhUKW7wKHbDkAZ84ChDoAQhHMAU#v=onepage&q=%22mark%20Bagshaw%22%20disability&f=false

https://capeyorkpartnership.org.au/news/gillards-disability-care/

https://www.centreforwelfarereform.org/uploads/attachment/391/raising-the-bar.pdf

[[User:Castlemate|Castlemate]] ([[User talk:Castlemate|talk]]) 10:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

:Thank you for your response on my talk page. Others are responding there as well. To the best of my knowledge I wasn't informed of the AfD and so I'm not sure if I created the article or not and don't know exactly what content it had at the time of the deletion. At this time I'm not sure that I wish to become involved in having it reinstated but I will think about it.

== Senate vacancies ==

Hi Frickeg. You changed [[Australian Senate]] vacancies from 4 to 3 and I've changed that back, following the official website. I guess Jim Molan is not being counted until he is sworn in. [[User:Wikiain|Wikiain]] ([[User talk:Wikiain|talk]]) 01:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
:Thank you, Frickeg, for your responses on my Talk page. Other informed contributions there would be welcome. [[User:Wikiain|Wikiain]] ([[User talk:Wikiain|talk]]) 21:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

== Two things ==

Firstly, re: the Gladstone results. The swing was calculated from the ALP v LNP 2PP margin (which Antony listed as "[http://www.abc.net.au/news/qld-election-2017/guide/glad/ Safe Labor 25.3]" on his pendulum). However there was also a notional two-candidate margin with the independent Craig Butler which was 13.0, and Antony has used this to work out a swing between Labor and the One Nation candidate. Anyway, that's where the −4.6 came from.

Secondly, The Drover's Wife was asking about the [[Results of the Australian federal election, 1990 (Senate)|1990 Senate results]] at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics]], and why they don't match up with the Parliamentary Library results. That was because they were counting Environmental Independents as Greens, but while I was checking the AEC results at the state library, I noticed some other discrepancies in the Queensland table—the Group C (Environmental Independents) and Group D rows ''seem'' to have been combined in the Wikipedia results listing. Unfortunately I didn't photograph the page with the candidate names, only the group totals. Grey Power also don't seem to be listed on [[Candidates of the Australian federal election, 1990|the candidates page]], so I was wondering if you have a source which can check if Grey Power ran for the Senate in Queensland in 1990? If not, I'll just request the AEC book from the library again. If you can help, many thanks! --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 09:01, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty sure Group D (Alford and Cernovs) is Grey Power, but I'll check the AEC booklet again in the next day or two. Speaking of perennial candidates, I just changed Steve Demetriou on the 1990 candidates page (from Psephos) to Steve Dimitriou (from the AEC results), and realised it is almost certainly Steve Dimitriou, the serial Marijuana Party candidate! --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 09:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

==Deaths==

Hey, I've just been doing my occasional run through some of the older names on your list to see if we've missed anyone, and while searching for [[Mervyn Lee]] I came across a death notice for a Mervyn William Lee at Kilmore and District Hospital on 13 December 2009, at the age of 89 (which fits), and he'd [https://www.theruralstore.com.au/MechanicsInstitute/RegionalStudiesCollection.html lived in Kilmore]. See [http://ryersonindex.org/search.php here]. Do you think there's any chance this isn't the same guy? Usually a bit surprised if there's no coverage of a fed MPs death, but he was a one-termer a long time ago, and we normally catch these things a bit earlier. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 21:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

== Street family ==

Dear Frickeg, I have noted your comment regarding my edits of the [[Street family]] page and I concur.

It's a pleasure to have your acquaintance as a fellow custodian of the page.

Shalom, Eva - [[User:Evabonnier1967|Evabonnier1967]], 08:05 (British Summer Time), 5 May 2018

== CSD ==

Shall wait for AFD for this, accepted your revert. But I did CSD when the AFD is going on and then it really get deleted, but for G12 reasons / G11. G3 once. --[[User:Quek157|Quek157]] ([[User talk:Quek157|talk]]) 22:32, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:accepted your explanation once more. I don't mind a keep there --[[User:Quek157|Quek157]] ([[User talk:Quek157|talk]]) 22:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

==Storer==

Thanks for correcting my mistake there. Fail. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 03:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== Would you mind going through the current/abolished SA state seat articles to check for/fix errors? ==

It seems [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_district_of_Barossa&type=revision&diff=676438752&oldid=675920501 when you expanded] MP tables in electorate articles a few years ago in order to group years served with the newly-added more-detailed party affiliations, somehow the original existing term fields were left as-is and as such "duplicated" years served (in lack of a better word)... examples [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_district_of_Barossa&type=revision&diff=849830820&oldid=849783700 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_district_of_Stanley_%28South_Australia%29&type=revision&diff=849833289&oldid=849783594 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_district_of_Burra_Burra&type=revision&diff=849833671&oldid=849783726 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_district_of_Albert_(South_Australia)&diff=prev&oldid=848823828 here]. I fixed around half a dozen electorate articles a week ago, but came across the three latter examples just now. Would you mind taking a further look? [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 17:26, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

== Brian Alfred Chatterton ==

Hi, I have found a source ( [https://www.adelaide.edu.au/library/special/mss/chatterton/ https://www.adelaide.edu.au/library/special/mss/chatterton/] ) with considerably more information on [[Brian Alfred Chatterton]]. I would add information from it myself, but I am his second cousin and think I have a conflict of interest. If it would help I could draft something for you to use. [[User:Tango Mike Bravo|Tango Mike Bravo]] ([[User talk:Tango Mike Bravo|talk]]) 11:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

== Chris Hartcher ==

I think you need to have a look at what the word "retired" means. What's your problem with listing Hartcher as a former politician. What is incorrect about that? "Retired" means they have stopped doing their job. When I read your comment "people don't stop being (their former occupation) when they retire" that really jarred on me. Hartcher was the first to resign from the Liberal Party during Operation Spicer, going in December 2013, then 12 others reigned in various ways. He then pulled out from politics in 2015 and hasn't been a politician since. But you seem to think there's this time machine he has access to. But your edit war trying to insist Hartcher _IS_ a politician (implying "right now") is factually incorrect, so I won't try any more to argue with someone who doesn't know what the word "retired" means. I have facts on my side, so it'll all work out fine in the long run.

[[User:TheBustopher|TheBustopher]] ([[User talk:TheBustopher|talk]]) 11:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== anotherview ==
[[1996 Parliament House riot]] has been edited to add ''personal experience'' - which in my book is [[WP:OR]] - an extra pair of eyes would be very helpful and appreciated, just in case I have misread. (also what was intriguing, it never had project tags} [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 13:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

:Correct - that would be [[WP:OR]]. That said, the article is so poorly sourced that it could really use someone nailing down key facts, which might well turn up sources for some of their (probably legit) claims about how things went down. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 22:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== [[Wentworth by-election, 2018]] ==

Assistance at [[Wentworth by-election, 2018]] would be appreciated. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 11:02, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
:That's precisely why I remained out of it until now. It's a shame that a few persistent but clueless contributors have been able to make us weary. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 11:07, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

== Records ==

I recently stumbled across your wonderful [[User:Frickeg/Records|Records]] pages from a "what links here" page. I've got many similar lists and data I have compiled over the years, and I just wanted to check if you're OK with me making some updates and filling in some of the gaps? Cheers, --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 00:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

==Typos==

We've all done it - not like you haven't cleaned up many, many of mine over the years! [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 06:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

== Duplicated Information ==

{{ping|User:Frickeg}}I am a strong opponent of duplicating lists of information such as Candidates not Standing, in more than article. In most cases after some time the two copies grow apart as an editor comes along editing one and not the other list. Hence in the second article there should be reference to the information in the first article to prevent this growing apart. In this case I do not care which article contains the information and which refers to the other. This is the first time that I have done this that it has been reverted.[[User:Fleet Lists|Fleet Lists]] ([[User talk:Fleet Lists|talk]]) 02:57, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

:I think I was the one who removed this - every election article has a "retiring MPs" section, and I don't think a "candidates" article is the best place to list people who, by definition, are not candidates. I'm indifferent to whether the candidates pages should list them; if they're going to be removed from one, it should be that, though. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 03:40, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
:: To clarify this, the initial deletion by [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] was from [[2019_New_South_Wales_state_election]] to which I had no objection. Later I removed the full duplicated list from [[Candidates of the 2019 New South Wales state election]] which was subsequently restored. It is this duplication I am referring to.[[User:Fleet Lists|Fleet Lists]] ([[User talk:Fleet Lists|talk]]) 04:17, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Fleet Lists}} There is no policy against duplication, which is done routinely where the information is useful in more than one place. In this case, it is clear to me that the list is useful in the election article, where it provides important information on people ending their parliamentary career which often has an effect on the campaign; and on the candidates page, where it explains why certain electorates are without incumbent MPs. We repeat stuff on Wikipedia all the time, and I see no reason why this should be some sort of exception. Also, to be clear: if someone ''were'' to gain consensus for this, they would need to change every one of the couple of hundred relevant pages, not just one in isolation. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg#top|talk]]) 20:40, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

== Elizabeth Couchman ==

It's almost certainly true - very few people, especially men, live to 106 and the lifespan of past male parliamentarian candidates would have been severely impacted by how much they drank and smoke. Take the 1951-54 parliament, which saw ten deaths, including Chifley and Hughes, with the last 39 years which have only seen two MPs dying in office (Wilton and Randall). [[User:Paul Benjamin Austin|Paul Benjamin Austin]] ([[User talk:Paul Benjamin Austin|talk]]) 13:11, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

== NSW LegCo ==

Please discuss further at [[Talk:2019 New South Wales state election]]. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 21:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:RE your comment on my talk page: "I'm afraid I'm fairly immovable on the key point of having those numbers in the results table because it is actively misleading. Just because the ABC is choosing to be misleading doesn't mean we have to!" ... are you seriously accusing the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and Antony Green of being intentionally misleading in the area of domestic parliamentary elections? [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 15:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== [[Deaths in 2019]] ==

Hello, when you add persons to the [[Deaths in 2019]] page, please note that they should be in alphabetical order under each day. Thank you. --[[User:Marbe166|Marbe166]] ([[User talk:Marbe166|talk]]) 08:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

== NSW Parliament cite template ==

Thanks for your kind words - I got the idea for the template from [[Template:cite re-member]] for former Victorian MPs, which shows the real advantage of templates - when the website changes their url system, we can put in a workaround to find the information. Still a couple of thousand to go, but there is no hurry. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 23:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

== One Nation colour discussion ==

Hey mate, I've initiated a discussion on the One Nation colour at [[Talk:Pauline Hanson's One Nation|the party's talk page]]. Cheers, [[User:LeoC12|LeoC12]] ([[User talk:LeoC12|talk]]) 08:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC).

== 2016 Senate electoral fraud ==

Hi Frickeg, would you mind offering your opinion in this talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Derryn_Hinch#3_year_senate_term

Timroll Pickering is deleting all references to the controversy and refusing to explain why, other than a personal issue with me, and appears to have taken the stance of automatically deleting every edit I make unless I get other editors involved.

Our previous discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_of_the_Australian_Senate,_2016%E2%80%932019

[[User:Oz freediver|Oz freediver]] ([[User talk:Oz freediver|talk]]) 00:44, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== Note format in lists of members of Parliament ==

We have [[Talk:Members of the Australian Senate, 2016–2019#Note format|previously discussed & agreed]] on the desirability of having notes in chronological order. I was recently adding notes to a [[Members of the New South Wales Legislative Council, 1851–1856|NSW 1851 list]] and tried a different approach that forces the notes in chronological order but keeps the mouse over feature. It takes advantage of a technical issue as to how notes are displayed. If you look at the page [[Members of the New South Wales Legislative Council, 1851–1856#cite note-22|note s]] is a list of names which is what forces the sort order. Being the final note it is reasonably unobtrusive. I am interested in your views as to this workaround. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 01:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

== Troublesome reverts ==

Hi, that paragraph is back again in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fiona_Phillips_(politician)&curid=60860229&diff=902918356&oldid=902787551 Fiona Phillips]. I've already tried to reason with the new editor at their talkpage, without response. It really is weird and unbalanced again. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 08:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
:Please see [[Talk: Fiona Phillips (politician)]] for my proposed edit - is my edit edit warring, or not? [[User:Newystats|Newystats]] ([[User talk:Newystats|talk]]) 02:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

==Thanks==

Thank you! I really appreciate that. I'm probably back for the foreseeable future now - I was sorely in need of some mental stimulation after 2019 and I've been really enjoying waging war on the last of all these old Adam Carr stubs that no one's touched in 15 years and turning them into actual articles. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 05:31, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

:Good to see you're still with us, by the way. Canley and I were just talking at a meetup last night about how it was sad that you'd been around less lately. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 10:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

== NT candidates ==

Sure, Territory Alliance in the third column totally makes sense. I had originally set it out like that, but then I had flashbacks about PUP or UAP or some party being touted as a big player so they should be the 3rd column in some election and they got nowhere, so I just went with tradition! Feel free to swap the columns if you have the time, otherwise I will do it on the weekend. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 08:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== Corey Wingard and Chad Wingard ==

They're both originally from South Australia and prior to politics the former was previously a journalist and following the 2018 state election until recently was the sports minister as well as the police, emergency services and correctional services minister, so he has a history of somewhat similar area of activity to the latter [[User:Zak Hammat|Zak Hammat]] ([[User talk:Zak Hammat|talk]]) 09:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

== Quotation marks and commas ==

I was brought up believing, as you do, that commas always belong inside the quotation marks, and consequently I did not revert the edit you made to [[Grosse Fuge]]. However, you should be aware that the Wikipedia style manual disagrees with both of us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks.
[[User:Ravpapa|Ravpapa]] ([[User talk:Ravpapa|talk]]) 17:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

== Link to Independent of Kurwongbah's website ==

You have just reverted the link ( https://sites.google.com/view/independent4kurwongbah/ ) I added to my campaign page. I can understand the bit about BOLD for the sitting member. But I do not understand why I can't add the link to my web page. I have added it to candidate pages like this for previous campaigns. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thorlp|Thorlp]] ([[User talk:Thorlp#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thorlp|contribs]]) 07:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Thanks ==

Hi, I just wanted to drop by and thank you for your helpful edits. It is much appreciated! [[User:Mandarax|<span style="color:green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;<span style="color:blue">•</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandarax|<span style="color:#999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</span>]] 23:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


==Dr Mark Bagshaw==
I have given up on Wikipedia given the decisions it makes on deleting quality articles but this is one that truly deserves to be reversed. Maybe in death Wikipedia can see merit in Mark Bagshaw that it didn’t in life.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/teenage-tragedy-led-to-life-advocating-for-disability-reform-20201126-p56i43.html <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SproulesLane|SproulesLane]] ([[User talk:SproulesLane#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SproulesLane|contribs]]) 07:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Peter Breen ==

Thanks for the correction. You learn something new every day: had just considered category to be an error. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 21:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

== Hunter by-election 1960 ==
Hi Frickeg, hope all is well.
I was just looking at the Hunter by-election article. I am fairly sure the Bob Brown who opposed Bert James is not the same Bob Brown who succeeded him in 1980 or is related to him. The newspaper reports are scant but those that are given do not match the biography [[Bob Brown (Australian Labor politician)]]
The by-election candidate was a storekeeper in Cessnock but by this time the other Bob Brown was a school teacher at Raymond Terrace.
Cheers
porturology

[[User:Porturology|Porturology]] ([[User talk:Porturology|talk]]) 04:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Frickeg
I also note that Bob Brown, the parliamentarian first stood for Paterson in 1961. As R L Brown was automatically expelled from Labor for standing in Hunter (SMH noted this) - it is unlikely to be the same person. I think Psephos may just have made an assumption.
[[User:Porturology|Porturology]] ([[User talk:Porturology|talk]]) 05:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== "Best known for" ==

Thanks; it would have been helpful if your edit summary had been clear! [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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