Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests

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• Luciano González (footballer) → Luciano González (Spanish footballer) (move · discuss) – WP:AT / WP:PRECISE ambiguous disambiguation is a bad idea. There are multiple footballers by this name. The Argentinian Luciano González (rugby union) is a type of footballer; the current title should point to the disambiguation page Luciano González -- 64.229.90.28 (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

  Currently title is adequately precise. In the future, if we have another article that could be at the source, we can revisit the issue. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

  We already have another article that could be described as a footballer, the rugby footballer. Thus this fails WP:CRITERIA "Precision – The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects" as it does not does not distinguish between football codes, as rugby players, Aussie-rules players, etc are all called "footballer" -- 64.229.90.28 (talk) 04:01, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

• Right Place, Wrong Time (song) → Right Place Wrong Time (song) (move · discuss) – Image shows the song title has no comma. The song as listed on the back of the original In the Right Place LP sleeve also has no comma, if you want to find images of this to verify. 2605:A601:AADC:2100:C2FA:4802:5984:FA49 (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

The only cited non-self-published source that I could find includes the comma (RPM Weekly). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

• The Sun, Moon & Herbs → The Sun Moon & Herbs (currently a redirect back to The Sun, Moon & Herbs) (move · discuss) – As in the above entry, the album itself does not have a comma in the title. Here it's less obvious from the image, as the front cover doesn't show the title, and Wikipedia has no image of the back cover (which does), but it's telling that the infobox and text of the article omit the comma in the title; only the article name includes it. And as above, any image of the original LP's back cover will verify the lack of comma. 2605:A601:AADC:2100:C2FA:4802:5984:FA49 (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Reliable secondary sources are preferred by Wikipedia; the album cover isn't a particularly good source. 162 etc. (talk) 02:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

I understand that point in general, but an artistic work's canonical title is the one given to it by the artist, not any variations bestowed by others who write about the work (e.g., the Beatles album commonly called the White Album was self-titled by the artists). Shouldn't Wikipedia articles about such works use canonical titles where such are available (as it does with The Beatles (album))? 2605:A601:AADC:2100:C2FA:4802:5984:FA49 (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

No, not according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Wikipedia commonly uses names for things that differ in some way from the self-published name provided by the producer/author of the topic. See, for example, WP:NCALBUMS. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about what section in that link supports adding commas to album and song titles? It's a very long section, but it's subdivided into "Capitalization" and "Disambiguation" topics, neither of which applies here, and outside those subsections has one sentence about "stylized typography", also inapplicable here. In what specific instances can popular usage override the artist's title, and why would that not apply to the White Album, which is frequently called that in music journalism, but would apply to adding commas to Dr. John album and song titles, which is not nearly as widespread a practice by reviewers and music journalists? 2605:A601:AADC:2100:C2FA:4802:5984:FA49 (talk) 03:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

The only cited non-self-published source that I could find includes the comma (AllMusic). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

If one source can overrule an artist's given title for a work, shouldn't the hundreds of media references to the White Album overrule the artists' title for that work? That's clearly not the case, so my question is more about where the tipping point occurs. How widespread does a title alteration have to be before Wikipedia considers it the canonical title? 2605:A601:AADC:2100:C2FA:4802:5984:FA49 (talk) 04:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)