Talk:Pelé

Shouldn't we delete that line quoted "Regarded as one of the greatest players of all time and labelled "the greatest" by FIFA," in Pelé????

Pele was regarded as GOAT by Fifa. The link taken to the fifa website was deleted. Don't you think he didn't regard as GOAT anymore by Fifa? I think it will be biased for footballers to call them Goat by Fifa. Understanding this, they may deleted that post completely. Thus. Though they deleted from their site, in web archive it will remain forever.

So, shouldn't we delete that line quoted "Regarded as one of the greatest players of all time and labelled "the greatest" by FIFA," in Pelé???? HridoyKundu (talk) 10:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

the article is originally from 2012 and doesnt exist anymore, so it does indeed seem like fifa doesnt consider him the greatest anymore. should be removed imo --FMSky (talk) 10:08, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Just because FIFA made some changes to their website, doesn't mean the line should be removed. He is still regarded as the greatest, which you can see on the citation right next to it. TotallyJimmyFallon (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

that article just says "greatest player of the 20th century" --FMSky (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Huh, it does. Sorry. I still think the quote should kept, even if it got link rot'd. TotallyJimmyFallon (talk) 00:53, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree that line should be kept in the article. The FIFA titled article "Pele, Greatest of them All" still exists, just takes a while to open. Also, the fact that FIFA President Infantino recently called Pele the greatest player of all time adds further weight as to why the article should be kept in. Koppite1 (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

That is actually only an archive of the page, the original link is dead --FMSky (talk) 23:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

So what are we gonna do about this sentence? --FMSky (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Unless there is overwhelming consensus to the contrary, leave the comment in. Just because the initial link is broken, doesn't mean we can pretend FIFA never said it. The fact is, they did say it. And an additional link as been provided. Koppite1 (talk) 17:24, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

which additional link is that? i still only see the original archived one --FMSky (talk) 21:12, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Request for comment

Should the text say "labelled the greatest" or "labelled the greatest player of the 20th century"? The discussion above brought no consensus. --FMSky (talk) 21:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

• As the cited source ([1]) states Pele, who was once named by FIFA as the greatest player of the 20th century., the article should reflect the "20th century" wording. Omitting that means the article is making a bigger claim than the source does, and that is of course unacceptable. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
• The statement should be specific to football and state…Pele was labelled as the greatest football player of the 20th century... There are other sports and athletes who have excelled in them. To state, Pele was better than them or his contributions to sports in general was greater than these other excellent sports persons, does not seem to be correct.- Mnair69 (talk) 02:59, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with Mnair69. Seems self-evident to me that inclusion of "football" is the context for the FIFA citation. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 14:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• The FIFA bit reads clunky and doesn't really add much. I would go with something like this:

Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time, he was among the most successful and popular sports figures of the 20th century.

There's plenty of sources characterizing him as one of the greatest players. This summery is easier to read. - Nemov (talk) 00:07, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Agree with this. Ortizesp (talk) 02:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd suggest

"Widely regarded as one of the greatest football players of all time, he was among the most successful and popular sports figures of the 20th century." Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 15:56, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Praise from FIFA is lede worthy, so my suggestion would be : "Regarded as one of the greatest players of all time and labelled "the greatest" by FIFA Chief Infantino, he was among the most successful and popular sports figures of the 20th century. " 80.249.61.73 (talk) 14:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was: merged. MaterialWorks _(talk) 21:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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I propose merging Death and funeral of Pelé into Pelé. I think the content in Death and funeral of Pelé can be easily explained in the main article, and having the fork is simply redundant– there is really not that much content on the separate article. A merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in the main Pelé article. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Agree Half-kratos21 (talk) 23:06, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I will add information from the Portuguese article and let’s see what happens from there. Trillfendi (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Agree Iowauniguy (talk) 19:03, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Agree MusiBedrock (talk) 09:59, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Weak agree - The article in its present state certainly does not warrant a separate article, which to my understanding are generally reserved for highly notable state leaders such as Elizabeth II or Benedict XVI. Although, I understand that Pelé was an incredibly influential in Brazil and in association football, so if the quality of the article is improved I may change my opinion. Estar8806 (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@Estar8806 I just expanded the article from the Portuguese wiki. Please check if that changes your mind. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 09:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@The Bestagon Thank you for your effort. But I still ‘’’Agree’’’. Yes, the subject of the funeral was highly notable, but the article itself is only six paragraphs and the funeral itself was not a massive public event, like that of the aforementioned Queen or Pope. Estar8806 (talk) 01:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Support: Due to reasons above. MasterWolf0928-Æthelwulf (talk) 15:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

The death and funeral are extremely notable on their own. The article can be easily expanded from the ptwiki version. Skyshifter ^talk 23:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose merge per Skyshifter. I've expanded the article somewhat. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 09:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.