User talk:BuySomeApples

Draft:Marvin Guy

Hi @BuySomeApples, I have addressed your concerns regarding tone and inline citations. Also, I reviewed the WP:CRIME. Are you saying that since the subject has not been convicted a living biography is not appropriate? Perhaps this article would be better published as "Case of Marvin Guy", since it is the police action and subsequent judicial process that is the primary focus, not the person. If you agree, please reject this and I'll rewrite and submit as "Case of Marvin Guy". Mbcoats (talk) 23:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: I'm not certain what naming convention to follow, but I think the title is fine for now (it's a draft anyway). Generally, it's best if each statement has an inline citation next to it for verification and on a page like this it's required. IMO the Mother Jones quote can go back on the page because it was cited. That said, the page does need a little more tuning up. I'll take a look at it when I have more time and do some editing on it. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Changing the title would make it not a biography and thus not subject to the living persons guideline. When you say 'inline citation' do you mean something different than a reference tag? Either way can you be more specific and indicate which content you're referring to? Mbcoats (talk) 02:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mbcoats, WP:BLP applies to all pages with information concerning living persons on Wikipedia, not just those specifically marked as biographies. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 17:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Good to know. Mbcoats (talk) 17:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BuySomeApples, I've restored the Mother Jones quote. I'm grappling with your suggestion that it is best if 'each statement has an inline citation'. I've peppered the content with reference citations. At some point I believe one must balance the noise factor of repeating a reference repeatedly. Where sentences are not immediately followed by a citation, it is because several sentences are typically share one common citation. The next reference is for several sentences. If you could clarify specific content that you see as an issue, I'd much appreciate it. Mbcoats (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mbcoats: thank you for putting the quote back. Including an inline citation at the end of each paragraph (even if it's a one sentence paragraph) is not going to make reading the page difficult imo. The problem is that it's not apparent to readers which source they should look at to verify the info unless it's cited inline. A page like this needs to be WP:Verified, even if it is not packaged as a biography. If you're really concerned about overcitation, you can bundle some sentences related to the same source into one paragraph. Most lines have inline citations now, so this might be the easiest solution. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I am mystified by your WP:Verified concern. The references consist of three newspapers, two television stations and Mother Jones magazine. Which is not a reputable source? Did you try to track down the source of each statement to a particular reference and were unable to? Is this why you object to publishing this page? If so, I'd appreciate it if you would be specific about which statements you cannot trace back to a verifiable source. Perhaps I made an error when moving content around to improve my draft. Everything in the article came from reputable sources. I've written numerous articles and I am scrupulous to avoid including any facts that I cannot find published by a reliable source. Mbcoats (talk) 01:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: Using reliable sources is one important part of references, the other is using inline citations. The reason why inline citations are used is because readers can't be expected to go through each article linked when verifying a specific claim. By placing the ref at the end of a paragraph or sentence, you're saying "here is the original source for this specific part". Like I said, you've mostly fixed the problems with inline citations, it should be trivial to fix the rest. It will also make it easier for the next reviewer who assesses the page, meaning that the page will probably be published sooner! BuySomeApples (talk) 05:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Request on 01:24:02, 23 June 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Genly Ai

• Genly Ai (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Dren McDonald (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for reviewing this article and giving me feedback on how to improve its quality! I have gone through and made the changes you suggested – adding citations and removing uncited material, and editing portions of the text to have a more neutral tone. I just resubmitted the article for another review. Since you're acquainted with the article now, would it be possible for you to review it to confirm the changes were adequate? Thanks for your help!

Genly Ai (talk) 01:24, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Genly Ai: I try not to review the same page twice most times so that another reviewer can look at it with fresh eyes and you can get a second opinion. It does look like you've done great work improving it so far though. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Assassination of Omar Menéndez

On 24 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Assassination of Omar Menéndez, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in February 2023, Ecuadorian entrepreneur Omar Menéndez was elected the mayor of his canton the day after his assassination? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Assassination of Omar Menéndez. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Assassination of Omar Menéndez), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Reliable Sources etc.

Hi @BuySomeApples, noticed you declined my article for unreliable sources which has happened to me with every new article I try to add, so I have clearly been doing things wrong. Every time, though, I try to improve the quality of my sources and each time it fails. I was wondering if you could provide some specifics as to how I could improve the sources (i.e. which sources in my draft are no good and what kind of sources are good for such articles) on Draft:Paul_Rivett. Thanks so much Qgrunklebert (talk) 17:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Qgrunklebert: some sources (like Twitter) are unreliable. Others might be reliable but don't demonstrate that Paul Rivett is notable which is the main issue. Once you do some tweaking on the article, feel free to resubmit for a second review! BuySomeApples (talk) 17:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah okay, thanks @BuySomeApples. Most of the sources were articles that had a few paragraphs each on Rivett, are those no good? Also, in terms of his philanthropy, the only source I could find to back up the money he raised for Covenant House was a tweet from Covenant House about it - obviously a Twitter source isn't a good source but I figured it would be worth adding to back up the fact that he raised the money. Should I just remove that then?

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 17:26, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Qgrunklebert: You can remove that and should also read Wikipedia's WP:Notability guidelines for more information about what makes a subject notable. Once you're ready, you can resubmit the draft. BuySomeApples (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BuySomeApples: I've read the notability guidelines and think that he meets the criteria, so I will resubmit with some tweaks. In terms of removing the Twitter source: should I just remove the source, or the entire philanthropy section?

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 17:32, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Qgrunklebert: Go ahead and remove anything that is unsourced or only reference unreliable sources. BuySomeApples (talk) 17:35, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BuySomeApples: Thanks for your feedback; I have resubmitted with an additional reliable source, removed the unreliable source and related text, and have tweaked some phrasing to ensure neutrality throughout the article. Please let me know if there are any other changes to make.

Thanks Qgrunklebert (talk) 17:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Best Served Cold

Excuse me, but thanks for the comment you gave me on the draft i'm fixing up. It was originally a film article before there's two articles that have the same thing. So I had to change the original as a novel article than a film article. This Draft is the novel article while this Draft is the film one. I've done a lot of progress on the novel one and I won't do the film one til new sources pop up about the cast and it's filming progress. You sure you wanna help clean-up the article to make more like you said in your comment or no? 64.56.17.172 (talk) 20:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that! That makes sense to split it, and I think you are right that it might be a little too soon for the film. Mainly you just need to rewrite the draft(s) a bit to be more encyclopedic and use more secondary sources like reviews if they're out there. Also, I noticed you copied content from Fandom.com without attributing it. I added attribution (WP:FANDOM) to the bottom of the page but if you copied material from anywhere else you need to check that it's in the creative commons and then attribute it. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try next time. But thanks. 64.56.17.172 (talk) 04:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Don't be discouraged! You're doing a good job it just needs a little more work. BuySomeApples (talk) 12:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft on author Allan Chase

Thank you for having a look at my draft article on Allan Chase. I'm happy to make updates as per your feedback. Most of the references to Allan Chase are simply identifying books that he wrote, so I can easily remove those although the page won't make much sense if I don't at least list the names of the books, so I will leave the names of the books. Other references are where Chase describes his own books. I guess I can just omit that description. Regardless your continued guidance would be appreciated.

Regarding the hatnote, I looked around once, but couldn't figure out how to add one, and couldn't figure out whether I should add it before or after this article is approved. I will have another look. Further guidance is welcome of course. JBradleyChen (talk) 16:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@JBradleyChen: No problem! Don't worry about the hatnote, that's for the reviewer to handle when the page gets approved. It's OK to cite his books to build out the bibliography it's just that the majority of refs should be secondary sources. Some of the refs don't mention Chase which is OK, but you'll need to find more sources that discuss him/his work before the draft will be ready. It can be hard shifting to Wikipedia from academic writing because you can't really say anything in your own words or synthesize primary sources, but you're doing a really good job. The only other problem I would point out is that WP:IMDB is not a reliable source. Let me know if you have any more questions or need help with anything. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have added citations to Chase only to factually acknowledge books written by Allan Chase, not as a source for commentary or other content. I have also added an additional source for his filmography, but it is not obvious to me it is more reputable that iMDB, or that a more reputable source exists. What should I do if there is not a better source than iMDB, and no counterfactual? I have assumed that the article is better including such history than omitting it. I don't see the basis for questioning the motives of iMDB editors in this particular case. I don't see how any individual would gain by creating fraudulent history for Chase, and the history is consistent with his overall history. JBradleyChen (talk) 14:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)