User talk:Randy Kryn

For entertainment porpoises only: "Time: Illusion stirred into gravity" - Motto of The Salvation Space Force (new comments on bottom of page please)

• An editing respite
• Some useful things: Tom Brady follows the hydration route (1/2 your weight in ounces per day, i.e. if you weigh 180 pounds hydrate at least 90 ounces of water a day), and look where it GOAT him. Then what's with Linus Pauling advocating at least two grams a day of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) divided into several equal portions (morning-afternoon-evening), you'd almost think he wanted people as healthy as could be or something. And last but least, if you've never done this, microwave an ear of corn for four minutes, with the husk left on — if two ears, double it to eight minutes. When you peel off the husk and eat the thing, you'll thank me later.
• Now you know: Saverland v Newton
• Remembering five of the last eight Earthlings to travel to the Moon, four of whom were murdered soon after their return, sadly bookending the first two Moon pioneers who were murdered 20 days after their return.
• Maybe my best geek edit: A five cushion bank shot italicizing Star Trek and Buffy links on Wikipedia's Klingon language page.
• An IP upon realizing that birds are dinosaurs, and a nod to our dinosaur brothers and sisters.
• Write on!: Don't kick the Ouija board
• An IP's inadvertent poetically sexist edit, which they quickly corrected
• Perhaps my best one-word edit (although...)
• Ready to check out the size of the Solar System? No small children or comfort animals on board please, and keep your arms and stuff where you can see them: If the Moon were only 1 Pixel (web based scroll map scaled to the Moon being, well, 1 pixel)
• A sci-fi short story plot (dibs)

If you've never seen...

. . .Veiled Christ, a statue in Naples, Italy, that depicts a knobbly-kneed Christ in the tomb, please give the image two or three clicks. This almost unbelievable 1753 sculpture ("how'd he do that?"), carved from one piece of marble, has one of the only two Wikipedia article's which have to prove, with sources, that the artwork was not the work of an alchemist (the subject of the second is exhibited at the same site). Step right up, and don't miss the modern looking couch, the two pillows with tassels, or the crown of thorns and other torture things down by the feet. All of this carved from a single block of marble. Literally steps away from Veiled Christ sits another "how'd he do that?" sculpture, also carved from a single block of marble (or created by alchemy).

One of life's pleasures

Watching Secretariat run his 1973 Triple Crown races in order while knowing three things: 1) Secretariat's trainer and jockey realized before the third race that the horse could run full speed from start to finish. 2) While drastically held back during the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, Secretariat still holds the fastest time in all three Triple Crown races. 3) Sham - the horse Secretariat trashed like a dancing bear in the Kentucky Derby - still holds the Derby's second fastest time.

Here's the 1973 Kentucky Derby...the jockey holds him back...holds him wayyyy back, next the Preakness...holds him back, and then: the Belmont..."He is moving like a tre-men-dous machine".

Vandal masterpiece...

• ...winner of the 2017 "Shakespearean dramatic romantic tragic tale in six words" Heisman.

An IP wedding proposal

July 7, 2022: An IP proposes marriage on the same page as the above masterpiece, and creates their own. Wikipedians have a romantic side, even the bots, so nobody reverted until I did after two hours with a note saying that it should be enough time and wished him luck. Does anyone know of an earlier proposal on Wikipedia, especially on such a good page for it and so perfectly played out - he seemingly decides to marry her right there, between the two edits. Film scene scenario worthy, Hallmark, are you listening?

This one time at band camp I vandalized a page

The docents ask people: "Find the cat". Letting the coolness of it lead me to break my oath as a Wikipedian, I now self-identify as a vandal.

Always interesting

"The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work." quoted by User:Kizor in the New York Times

See and listen to Wikipedia edits as they occur. Designed by Stephen LaPorte and Mahmoud Hashemi of hatnote.com, the link was copied from a user page, don't remember where, but deservedly displayed on quite a few as well as having its own article. Just who is making all this noise? Well...

...the size of our stadium

Here is another user's subpage about how many Wikipedians can dance on the head of a pin.

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Check this mystery out

Talk:Niece and nephew#Two generations???. An error has been prominent in the short lead of 'Niece and nephew' since March 2020, almost two years and nine months ago. The question "Why?" could qualify as a subject of a college thesis. It stayed uncorrected while 576,135 readers purposely came to the page, and if anyone noticed they didn't bother to correct it or tell anyone on Wikipedia, until an editor pointed it out on the talk page today. Fascinating on several levels. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Liberty Enlightening the World

Is this really necessary? While the full name may be relevant in the statue's article, I'm not sure it contributes anything useful to the Presidential dollar coins topic, being little more than trivia about a design element of the coin. Also, I think here you're thinking of second spouse, as all first spouses so far have been women. - ZLEA _T\^C 14:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Duh, yes, second spouse, my mistake (hopefully not a premonition). Thanks ZLEA. The real name of the statue seems relevant in addition to using the common nickname. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

"Common labor ... can wreck in a day or two ... what builders have taken a year to do"

Which of these roles have I tried to play?

Am I a builder who works with care
Measuring life by a rule and square?

Am I shaping my deeds to a well made plan,
Patiently doing the best I can?

Or am I a wrecker, who walks the town
Content with the labor of tearing down? [1]

Perhaps Edgar A. Guest is too optimistic for your taste, but it may help to keep the spirits up. Theramin (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Theramin. Spirits and optimism well, and thank you for the assist. I guess I don't know what this was for exactly, or maybe it's for things in general, but since you're here maybe give a look at the Secretariat Triple Crown races links above. I'm going to watch those again now. Nothing in sports like it, especially when you know what was occurring, the three taken in consecutively is a show. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Ships named for Founding Fathers of the United States has been nominated for deletion

Category:Ships named for Founding Fathers of the United States has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You have good taste!

Veiled Christ is one of my favorite artworks too. It's absolutely amazing! - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks RevelationDirect, we agree about the statue, Veiled Christ, which was long thought to have been created by alchemy. On deleting the category of ships named for Founding Fathers of the United States, almost legendary people whose deeds and social constructs would have seemed like alchemy if described to those who lived slightly before them, not so much. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

NB - you can self close merge proposals

I'm not sure if you really thought that "The simulation theory is the hypothesis that reality could be simulated—for example by quantum computer simulation—to a degree indistinguishable from "true" reality." and "The simulation hypothesis proposes that all of our existence is a simulated reality, such as a computer simulation." referred to different topics, or if you were doing a procedural revert, but there's no requirement that the opener not close the discussion, or that they wait any longer than a week. I actually waited twice as long as necessary. see WP:Merging if you need a refresher. - car chasm (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

These are different topics, as I said in my merge request comment. Most merges last much longer than a couple of weeks and are open until true consensus is reached. You butchered the origins section by the way in your "merge". Please take this to the article talk page and not here, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

This is about the fact that you seem to have cited guidelines for merging that are incorrect, so it belongs here. At any rate, the content on the origins section was moved further down the page to incorporate material from the merged content better, so it looks like it's all there twice now. Probably fine either way though, it's the sort of material that could be mentioned twice. - car chasm (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I did not cite a guideline. Have never read them for merges. My experience with merges is that some are up for months, to attract a wide range of editors to find the merges and comment. I don't know if you alerted all of the main editors, original article creators, and the wikiprojects of the two pages (which cover different topics). If not, you maybe should do so, even if a bit late, so they can edit your merge. Why move "Origins"? But that's a discussion for the talkpage. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:God the Father in art

Randy, I was amazed to see we didn't have this. I have set it up, and populated it a bit. Over to you! Johnbod (talk) 14:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Amen? Thanks for the category and the alert. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt, a nice reminder. You, in addition to the precious, are among Wikipedia's treasures. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Did someone mention donuts?

	Donuts for you!
	Every day is a good day for donuts, perhaps some more than others. Now to find some coffee... Beccaynr (talk) 01:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

lol. Thanks Beccaynr. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

"Forced busing"

Hi Randy. I was just running a JWB task and ran into an article that used the phrase "forced busing" in wikivoice. That prompted me to look up whether any other articles do, and found 74 using it, most in wikivoice by the looks of it. Now, I was always taught that "forced busing" is one of the ultimate racist dogwhistles in American politics; Lee Atwater certainly felt that way, at least. I recalled you have some expertise in the civil rights movement, and was wondering what you would advise. Just change all instances to the neutral "busing"? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 07:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Tamzin, and I hope all is well. On a quick look at the Wikipedia voice concern it seems the wording "forced busing" is an alternate name for Desegregation busing that, as you mention, was and is used by its critics. Maybe wording that would work would be links that stick to Wikipedia's title, "desegregation busing", if the goal is to use accurate Wikivoice within existing text. "Forced busing" may also be an inaccurate use if the students and their parents had a choice and the children weren't physically loaded into the buses against their will, but truancy laws may then have been triggered and acted upon. I have no personal experience with this, and have never studied the issue as it relates to the 1960s Civil Rights Movement. The only original research I can offer is that the only time busing was mentioned by my research subject, James Bevel, was when he told me that because of busing becoming a law and they wanted to bus his son across town he instead kept his son out of school for the year and made him sit in the backyard. There was no follow-up, and this was related outside of an formal interview, so you make me wonder, among dozens of questions I now wish I had asked Bevel, if he had his son read and study educational material in the backyard during that school year. I don't even know which son this was, as his family life after the movement (desegregation busing occurred in the 1970s, the Civil Rights Movement research I worked on was focused on the years 1959 to 1968) was also outside my personal research topic. I hope this is helpful. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

List of paintings by...

Hi Randy, long time no talk. Just to say I'm not entirely convinced that adding "See also" sections to every painting article is the greatest idea ever. Not that I'm necessarily opposed, it just seems slightly needless, especially when there is a navbox footer. Dunno, but may remove them from a few pages, esp FAs (where see also are discouraged...but not forbidden). Interested to discuss this as could be persuaded.

ps, though you dealt with recent strife with aplomb. Ceoil (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

pps, just found Veiled Christ for browsing your talk above...holy christ its amazing. Ceoil (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Ceoil, thanks for discussing your concerns, for the aplomb compliment (never been accused of having aplomb before, fightin' words in some bars), and I'm glad you came upon Veiled Christ (a not-to-be-missed sculpture). What I and another user have done is add "List of paintings by so-and-so" to articles of most of the painters and sculptures who have "list of" pages (see {{Lists of paintings}}). Readers looking at one painting are thus given the easy option of exploring the full Wikipedia collection by each painter. This has worked well, as adding these lists to "See also" sections increase the views, and thus provide appropriate encyclopedic content. Maybe most importantly per your comment about the navboxes...the sad fact is that navboxes are not seen on mobile. Over 50% of Wikipedia readers are not given access to those incredible maps of the site. A big navbox fan, I've actually been warned in the past by a foundation coder not to push for navbox inclusion on mobile. I don't know if they've even tried to find the coding to do so, or actually have it and just won't use it. Given that, the "See also" sections seem the only way to alert and provide all readers this full one-stop access to lists of art treasures by the same painter that they've come to Wikipedia to spend time with. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

But...by that logic should we discontinue navboxes and cats...it seems like overkill to have all three, and frankly busy work. I find the three combined a bit spammy... and given the "see also" creates so much white space, not pleasing to the eye and reminiscent of geocities and link farms (I am old). Sorry for being a pain the arse, but talking this through is good for the soul. Ceoil (talk) 03:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC) Ceoil (talk) 02:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

The readers on laptops and tablets get the whole show. Navboxes, categories, lists, "See also" links, the whole shabang. It's only the mobile-heads who miss out, but they do get "See also" with the link to the list providing the full output of each artist. I've never looked at Wikipedia or the internet on mobile, a way of not carrying the addiction around with me, and am sorry for those who miss out on navboxes and categories (and talk pages?). Have never experienced "See also" as a negative, and I don't see a large white space when viewing the section, maybe because I use monobook and not vector and am comfortable with my screen setting (I also keep the text size at 125%, which seems to work well, the 100% vector default is so tiny that I don't reasonably understand why anyone uses it). More later, will be signing off for now (or wandering elsewhere on the net). Thanks Ceoil for the ongoing discussion, and thanks for the mention of Veiled Christ which inspired me to have a look at it again. When someone calls something a masterpiece it often is exaggerated, but for that statue no other word may belong. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

ok, that’s fine, take your point and agree. Re the Veiled Christ you have me hook line and sinker, any interest in a collab....?Ceoil (talk) 05:20, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

My best point was Monobook with a larger text! As for collabs, I seem to work best with existing articles. If you have a couple recently focused on pages I'd be glad to add a bit, but can't promise a full article. I recall the Boston page you had created a few years ago, good stuff. Wondering how to let more people know about Veiled Christ, it probably should be 'up there' with other great sculptures. The Naples, Italy, chapel where it's exhibited seems to be a world-class sculpture showcase. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I'm absorbed, its on my list, and please keep an eye on on any additions for spelling, nonsense, etc :) Ceoil (talk) 21:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Ceoil, I either missed your edits on the 25th on my watchlist or meant to check them out and got into something else and forgot. Am glad you're keeping track of the page, I missed that misspelling but good to see someone caught it. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Haven't thanked you for your very good edits on the page, read and appreciated. I was letting you edit-out on the page without interruption (always good to see good editing in action) and again, moved on to other things without coming back in a day or two. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:19, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Ceoil, I don't recall seeing this before. Can you believe the greatness of this collection? Would there be a place for this image at the Veiled Christ page? I've added it to the chapel page, looks good. Maybe the 'Sculpture' page too? Randy Kryn (talk) 04:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh yes. Add pls :) Ceoil (talk) 04:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Uh, I dont suppose you have access to "this? I might ask at on of wiki's exchange pages, but cant remember where they are. Because I'm old and stupid. Ceoil (talk) 05:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Paintings

Please, can you help me to find the real-life models for these cartoon's paintings: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.21.239.159 (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello. An interesting collection of buildings and homes, although I'm not recognizing any of them so I can't be of much help. It's nice a cartoon is focusing on artworks, even if fictional representations of real structures. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm very curious in them, then can you in any case search for me? Thank you.

They seem to be from the animated 1997 film Case Closed: The Time Bombed Skyscraper, so maybe they are not real structures. The illustrator could have been enjoying creating architectural cartoons. You might also ask at the WikiProject Visual Arts talk page, someone may have a better idea. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Those from that film are the only remained without their real-life model, as you can read here. Then, can you search for them? Thank you.

Thanks for the link. Apologies I can't be of any help, I don't recognize the buildings so wouldn't know what to search for. If they're in Tokyo, I've never had the pleasure of visiting the city. Maybe you can ask on the Wikipedia talk page for the film as well. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, then can you search for the others instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.132.24 (talk) 12:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know the buildings so cannot be of help. You may have better luck on the film's talk page. Good luck! Randy Kryn (talk) 13:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Not all are buildings from that film, then can you control one for one, and search those you can see on? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.169.94 (talk) 13:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.208.150 (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Please read my answers above, asked and answered. To repeat, I do not know the buildings, so no. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Then the second, since it isn't a building?

No. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Collapse

Hello Randy Kryn. I saw that you reverted my collapse of the Courbet template. I was asked to collapse the template for a GA review of The Stone Breakers. Bruxton (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bruxton. The collapse code on The Stone Breakers page works, if you think a review comment has that much weight. But the navbox itself isn't large enough to be collapsed sitewide. Thanks for bringing the question here. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:05, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Butting in - Bruxton - you don't need to agree or concede to every review point at GA, or as I hopefully expect where the article is heading towards, at FAC. I agree with Randy here, although its not a matter I would go to war over. Ceoil (talk) 21:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

So much for the usefulness of "giving them some slack".

I actually totted up my daily comment-counts on the two discussions at issue since the P-BAN ended, divided (as Tamzin suggested) between comments that were NOT in reply to comments directed at me, and comments that WERE: low numbers. The only reply was another suggestion that I'm too argumentative. Apparently, even to defend oneself is an offense. – .Raven  .talk 00:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Candidates in the 2024 United States presidential election

yes, I think it should be included. (Do not know what 'Gibbs logic' would be.) Am not a native speaker. I need 490 more edits before being allowed to try myself. -- MariaMMIV (talk) 16:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello MariaMMIV. Leroy Jethro Gibbs was a character of an American TV series named NCIS, and would often use the term "Ya think" for something someone else said that was obviously obvious. So I was agreeing with you and saying it was an obvious edit, which has been added, and thanks for bringing it up. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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Witchcraft

You just gonna watch from the sidelines? I get that, slow motion train wrecks are interesting... Skyerise (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)