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Extend protection

@El C: I noticed that the protection will expire on 21 oct. Plz consider extending it to a couple months. The sock seems like a habitual stubborn offender and a colonialist or an extremist. He's would have read it, and he's just going to comeback again and again after it expires. Nolicmahr (talk) 20:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusion of the Mughal Empire in the Infobox

Do we really need to include the Mughal Empire in the Infobox? They don't, in any point, contribute to the events of the war. They do not support or oppose any side directly during this war - militarily or financially. They were mere bystanders during this operation. Zocdoclesson (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable to me. Wareno (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mughal Empire supported Portuguese against Marathas so Portuguese supported them too so we should exclude them for being third party of this war but must include them with Portuguese empire against Maratha empire

You can read more about this war from this book- https://archive.org/details/portuguese-mahratta-relations_20210214 Mizuhara Chizuru (talk) 19:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Mughals did not provide the Portuguese with any men or materials for the war, nor did the Portuguese do the same for the Mughals.

The Mughals sided with the Turks during the many Portuguese-Ottoman wars and were adversaries of the Portuguese. Zocdoclesson (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of conflicts

Please don't remove this section if you don't have anything to add up with proper citations @Wareno@Zocdoclesson Mizuhara Chizuru (talk) 19:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Petty skirmishes dont count as battles. It is more akin to minute trivia. This is only applicable when the war takes place over several years and on several fronts.

Also, the use of green for a Maratha "victory" and red for a Portuguese "victory" is clearly biased towards the Maratha side giving the impression that one side is desirable while the other is not. Zocdoclesson (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unconstructive Edits

@Zocdoclesson,@Wareno You both are engaged in edit war and making unconstructive edits continuously. The war result of this war was completely not one sided. None of the source mentioned it as Portugese victory.While there are multiple Maratha accounts & letter of Fransisco de alvor clearly said that Sambhaji defeated them at many fronts.There are more than 4 sources which states that it was status quo anth bellum while only one source which itself not reliable said(not sure) it was Portugese even at this logic this edit can't be reverted. There are not only Maratha Sources but Portuguese sources including viceroy alvor described bad condition of Portuguese and victory of Sambhaji then it can be putted as Maratha victory but due to at the end the situation remained same thats why States quo ante bellum is perfect.note that Marathas widrawed their forces after treaty not Portuguese repelled them. Aryan330 (talk) 09:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no source that mentions this conflict as a Maratha victory either, yet you failed to raise this concern whenever users make that edit.

The Marathas, under Sambhaji wanted to drive away the Portuguese, or at the minimum aquire some of their land. They failed in both their objectives.

The Portuguese did not atrack the Marathas, therefore their objective was survival. The met their objective. Zocdoclesson (talk) 09:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zocdoclesson In the war perspective its all about territories & that remained same at last,that's why States quo ante bellum term was used by historians.

There is no source that mentions this conflict as a Maratha victory either what if I show? Aryan330 (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I will agree on the consensus of Status quo ante bellum Note :- @Zocdoclesson Had got the point & agreed with it.

Thanks to him for cooperation. Aryan330 (talk) 09:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I will agree with the Status quo ante bellum result. Even though the Marathas did not meet their military objectives. Zocdoclesson (talk) 09:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::''Ok I will agree on the consensus of Status quo ante bellum'' Note :- @[[User:Zocdoclesson|Zocdoclesson]] Had got the point & agreed with it.
 :::Thanks to him for cooperation. [[User:Aryan330|Aryan330]] ([[User talk:Aryan330|talk]]) 09:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
+:::Ok, I will agree with the Status quo ante bellum result. Even though the Marathas did not meet their military objectives. [[User:Zocdoclesson|Zocdoclesson]] ([[User talk:Zocdoclesson|talk]]) 09:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)