Talk:Mike Tyson

Toad venom

According to a news source, Mike experimented with toad venom as a dare. The psychedelic effects allegedly caused him to self reflect and raise his low self esteem. He also accredits the hallucination to helping him lose 100 pounds.. Should we include this or just consider it a claim cause by his bipolar disorder. And if we do includes this, where would we put it? Ususer445 (talk)

References

Legacy

The 'Legacy' section states that Mike Tyson beat Tony Tucker by knockout. This is incorrect. Tyson beat Tucker via a unanimous points decision. Suggest this is changed to 'which included knockouts of ...... Tony Tubbs... .' Bisto27 (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 Erledigt – reworded to omit "... knockouts of ..." Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2023

Change Mike Tyson’s height from 5’10 to 5’11.5 since in all his bouts that is the height he is listed as 92.19.30.90 (talk) 20:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done – that's already clarified with the note. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Early Life

@Squared.Circle.Boxing: I disagree with your reverts. His religion would go best after the family info but definitely not in the first sentence. If anything, the first sentence should state that he's African-American. Mabelist (talk) 17:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

The wording in question is into a Catholic family, so is appropriately placed. I see no reason to change it. – ².O.^Boxing 20:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Change it to "He was raised Catholic" and it would be appropriate elsewhere. Nearly all Early Life sections do not mention religion in the first sentence. Mabelist (talk) 21:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

3O comment: @Mabelist and Squared.Circle.Boxing: After first reviewing the sources and not finding a mention of him being Catholic (no access to the publication), I searched and found an old Jet article about his marriage ceremony with Robin Givens in a Catholic church. After reviewing her article and the article of Joe Biden (a notable Catholic American), it seems that the mention of religion can appear fairly early in the article, but should be introduced a little later than how this current article is structured. My recommendation: Michael Gerard Tyson was born in Fort Greene, Brooklyn, New York City on June 30, 1966. Raised an African American Catholic, he has an older brother named Rodney (born c. 1961) and had an older sister named Denise, who died of a heart attack at age 24 in February 1990. Feel free to share your thoughts on this and don't be afraid to ping!--WMrapids (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Your recommendation is better than the current article. Another suggestion is moving his religion to the end of the paragraph: "He was raised Catholic." He also converted to Islam as an adult, maybe that should be mention as well. Mabelist (talk) 19:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Squared.Circle.Boxing: Any thoughts? WMrapids (talk) 04:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

As long as his Catholic background actually remains in the article, then it's placement isn't an issue for me. African American should be left out for two reasons: 1) there's a picture of him, 2) I assume you'll both agree one isn't raised as an African American; you either are or you aren't (woke identity nonsense can be left at the door, cheers). I've never seen African American in Early life without some additional context. Conversion to Islam also shouldn't be in there unless there's sources specifically stating he converted in that part of his life; best I've heard is 'before prison', which doesn't quite qualify. – ².O.^Boxing 08:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm wondering if a more appropriate option would be to move his Catholic upbringing and the paragraph about his conversion into 'Personal life'. Having them separated does seem a bit silly, especially when his conversion is tucked away in 'Rape trial and prison'. – ².O.^Boxing 19:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with moving his catholic upbringing and Islam conversion to Personal Life to keep it in organized. His conversion is currently only mentioned in the Rape trial and prison section. When I removed the Catholic info in the first edit, I was not finished editing and planned to move it elsewhere in the section until it was reverted back. I don't think African-American should be included either, was only using as an example. Mabelist (talk) 01:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mabelist and Squared.Circle.Boxing: Take a look at this edit and let me know how you feel.--WMrapids (talk) 07:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Does look better than before. Seems a bit out of place where it is though. What's both your thoughts on adding it directly onto the Islam paragraph, Raised as a Catholic, Tyson converted to Islam sometime before the 1990s. It was widely reported that he converted while in prison and adopted the Muslim name Malik Abdul Aziz, and tweak the rest of the paragraph to fit. Not that exact wording, but along those lines. – ².O.^Boxing 13:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, moving it to the Islam paragraph would look better. Also, Tyson stated that he was a Muslim before prison. Mabelist (talk) 20:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)