User talk:Frenchl

June 2023

Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Houssem Aouar, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Football nationality

Please note that where a footballer was born and raised in one country, but represents a different country due to heritage, we do not put the nationality in the lede, as it is ambiguous. This is well established. GiantSnowman 11:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

It is not ambiguous : Mahrez holds French and Algerian nationalities, and represents Algeria at international level. Playing for Algeria does not make him less French. Also, he does not represent Algeria due to "heritage" but because he is an Algerian citizen by jus sanguinis. And writing that he was "born in France" IS precisely what is ambiguous : it says nothing about his nationality, because simply being born in France is not sufficient to gain the French nationality. Frenchl (talk) 12:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You are wrong, there is clear community consensus on this point. GiantSnowman 16:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedian consensus is not above the law. Invisibilize Mahrez's French nationality is original research. Frenchl (talk) 18:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, please read this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Brooks_(soccer,_born_1993)#Request_for_Comment

The result of this Request for comment is that both players' nationalities should be referred to in the opening sentence of the article. Frenchl (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

That was 9 years ago. Consensus changes. GiantSnowman 18:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you provide more recent discussions ? Frenchl (talk) 18:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Jordan Adéoti. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. GiantSnowman 20:49, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

This is not vandalism nor experiment, I just forgot to add a year at the end of a sentence. Jordan Adéoti is not "of Beninese descent", he is Beninese by descent, he holds Beninese nationality. Also, his French nationality is important because he was born and raised in France and his nationality makes him a EU player, which is important because in France there are quotas for non-EU players. Just saying "Born in France" is too ambiguous, because being born in France does not make him French automatically.

Also, I asked you 2 days ago to provide more recent discussions, why didn't you answer ? Frenchl (talk) 22:49, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Have you seen the replies here? Robby.is.on (talk) 08:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

No, I have not. They are more than welcome to look in the archives of WT:FOOTBALL, or raise the issue there, rather than edit disruptively. GiantSnowman 17:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

FAO Frenchl - you may receive your loss of editing privileges if you continue adding in multiple nationalities to player articles, as you did at Hakim Ziyech. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Category:France men's youth international footballers

Hi. I reverted some of your additions of the Category:France men's youth international footballers category to footballer articles. In those cases, I was unable to verify the information 1. with the sources in the article, 2. with their Worldfootball.net profiles and 3. was unable to find a profile for them at FFF.fr. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 08:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello. FFF.fr does not cover youth international categories (U19 and below) before 2010. For Eydelie and Lobé, you can find some sources on French WP pages. Frenchl (talk) 09:00, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I also have printed sources for Leroy and Neumann. Will add them later. Frenchl (talk) 09:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay. All changes we make in articles should come with references, almost everything needs to be verifiable; see Wikipedia:Verifiability. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Reply

Hi, I’m fully aware that those regions fall under the flag of France, however those nations (FIFA) or not compete in international football, so trying to change the name of each page to “Regional football team” or persistence in changing every single article related to players representing those teams to suit your own personal preference will always eventually get reverted. Looking at your talk page and other interactions with other users, there isn’t really too much else I can say here if you are going to persist in editing nationalities that go against the consensus. All I can suggest is you probably shouldn’t waste your time making those edits as someone will eventually restrict your editing privileges. Just seems a bit pointless doesn’t it ? Footballgy (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The fact that they compete in international football is not why I now think Guadeloupe is a nation and Guadeloupean a nationality. It goes far beyond football. Guadeloupe is a nation in the original sense of the term: a people who share a common identity and culture and are identified with a traditional territory. And so is Britanny. Cheers. Frenchl (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I am aware of this, however to use Gibraltar as another example, this is also not officially a country, but they compete in international football, the Gibraltar national football team is still called a national football team for example, and for me to go and change every Gibraltarian player to British on their page would be incorrect to do. Don't get me wrong Wikipedia is a pretty bizarre place, where I have found common sense is lacking at times however if there is a consensus on how articles should be presented then you will find yourself hard pressed to change these to your preference without countless people changing it back. It's just a waste of time unfortunately.Footballgy (talk) 07:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

Hi there - Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. You didn't provide a source for your changes to the Geoffrey Lembet article, and I couldn't find one either. If you have a reliable source please let me know and we can change the article. Please let me know if you have any questions. GiantSnowman 17:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

just added a source. Frenchl (talk) 18:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Warning

Frenchl, please refrain from adding multiple nationalities to the opening sentences of players, as you have repeatedly done recently with many articles including Ilyes Housni. We do not state multiple nationalities in the opening sentence. The consensus in complicated cases (in which several factors weigh in, but not in which a player is simply a dual-national), we remove the nationality from the opening sentence and explain it in the next or further down in the lede. Your persistent disruptive editing may result in loss of editing priveleges. Please stop. Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

I just wanted to tell you, Frenchl. Before trying to edit every single article imaginable about something you would like changed (like Martinique national team), consider discussing it with other editors before, usually at WT:WPF. You go on disruptive editing rampages, and having to revert almost everything you do is very time consuming. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:20, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

I say this because I've been reverting your edits for the past 20 minutes. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

citations

Hello Frenchl. When you cite a particular link, like you did here, could you please use a citation template like {{Cite web}} or {{Cite news}}? We don't just paste URLs. See WP:Citing. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

okay Frenchl (talk) 23:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Stade Rennais/Stade Lavallois edits

Hello Frenchl. I appreciate the recent edits you have made in combatting "Stade Laval" and "Stade Rennes", which are both indeed inaccurate. However, your edits are only semi-constructive; on Wikipedia, we refer to Stade Lavallois as Laval and Stade Rennais F.C. as Rennes. If you could please go back and change every article you edited accordingly, you would be making some very constructive edits. Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

If you can go back and change Olympique Lyonnais to Lyon, Stade Rennais to Rennes, and Stade Lavallois to Laval in all of these articles, this would be helpful. Do this in the opening sentence, the infobox, and throughout the text. The category will still be Category:Olympique Lyonnais players for example, of course, but the club should be called Lyon throughout the article. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Also refer to the clubs as their city name in the career statistics and honours section. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

What about Stade Briochin ? We should say Saint-Brieuc but all these players articles indicate "Stade Briochin". Frenchl (talk) 16:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

There is no consensus on that one. We usually put Stade Briochin as of the moment. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:01, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Please do not go back and change every article to Saint-Brieuc, because Stade Briochin seems to work fine for now. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Lol ok. This is absolutely not logical but whatever. Frenchl (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

'Represents'

Saying a player 'represents' a nation is correct, by the way. Your recent edits are largely pointless and in some cases incorrect. GiantSnowman 09:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Most of my edits are only for the cases when it is written "X represents a national team" : this wording is incorrect. "Representing a nation" is ok though it's not the best wording because they represent an association. If you want to write "he represents a nation", then link to that nation, not the national team. Frenchl (talk) 10:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

The point is that although you're trying to fix something that is wrong, the way you're doing it is wrong, and many of your edits which I have been fixing for the past hour are largely filled with unnecessary and inaccurate things. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Like I informed you a few weeks ago - 'represents' is fine. If you disagree, then please raise at WT:FOOTBALL. As Paul said, your way of going about editing is totally against the community way here. GiantSnowman 18:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Please read this before talking to me again about this subject : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anwegmann#Born_in_X,_he_represents_the_Y_national_team

Yes I do disagree and will not raise anything at WT:FOOTBALL because Wikiprojects have no say in editing practices. Goodbye sir. Frenchl (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

If you continue to edit disruptively and refuse to discuss, then your editing will be raised at ANI (again) and we will seek a block (again). GiantSnowman 21:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The last time I discussed on the wikiproject, I was criticised for saying too much, and the only people who refused to discuss were all of you. If you're having trouble understanding, ask Nehme1499 why we should not say "represents the X national team". He is a highly experienced, competent and educational user. Frenchl (talk) 22:17, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive editing (AGAIN)

You have been repeatedly told to stop making edits to the nationality in the lede such as the ones you made to Béni Nkololo, Florent Hanin, and Fatih Atik. Please stop making such disruptive edits to Wikipedia, or another discussion about your behavior will be necessary. This edit to Eyemen Henaini is also disruptive; Henaini remains a French sportsperson of Algerian descent even if he is both Algerian and French on paper. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

This is your point of view. These players were probably not born French, they are not international, and they have spent a lot of time playing in Portugal for Hanin and in Turkey for Atik. Jordan Nkololo was described as Congolese only before my edits, why should his brother be described as French only ? I think it makes sense to mention all their nationalities. Cheers. Frenchl (talk) 01:15, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

This is not my point of view. Virtually everyone in the administrator noticeboard discussion agreed that your editing is disruptive against the community's wishes. We have repeatedly told you that your edits are not constructive in terms of the nationality debate, so stop forcing your agenda, please. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

According to Google Trends, Florent Hanin is more well-known in Portugal than in France, and Fatih Atik is more well-known in Turkey than in France. So once again, why should they be described as only French when they both are dual nationals ? Frenchl (talk) 02:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

You completely miss the point everytime I warn you about something; instead of realizing that your editing is disruptive, you contest the facts about the editing. You're not getting anywhere and you aren't making any friends by doing that. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The point is that WikiProjects don't have a say in editing practices, period. Frenchl (talk) 04:58, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

And you're wrong, they do. Paul Vaurie (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Elon Musk

Why would we need a source to show "he acquired Canadian citizenship at 17"? The article does not claim he acquired his citizenship at 17. It's saying that he was eligible for citizenship because of his mother's nationality. Meters (talk) 09:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I've added a Nation Post source to show that he has Canadian citizenship through his mother. Now please leave it alone. Meters (talk) 09:26, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

He was not "eligible for citizenship". He acquired Canadian citizenship as of right, at birth. Frenchl (talk) 09:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

The article simply says "acquiring citizenship through his Canadian-born mother" That's accurate. Stop moving the goalposts, and don't ask for sources for claims the article does not make. Meters (talk) 09:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

That's accurate because ambiguous. I will add "acquiring citizenship at birth through his Canadian-born mother", it will be clearer. Frenchl (talk) 09:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I've read the archives, many people think he became a Canadian citizen at 17 or 18. Clarification was needed. Cheers. Frenchl (talk) 10:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Guy Tapoko

Please use WP:RM for your page moves. GiantSnowman 17:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:RM is only useful when I cannot complete a move or when a move is potentially controversial. This is not the case for Tapoko. Frenchl (talk) 18:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Clearly wrong, given the move has been challenged and reverted and is therefore contentious. The fact you don't know that is further evidence of your incompetence. GiantSnowman 10:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I knew that, but how could I know that the move would be contested before I made it? We hear a lot about this footballer at the moment, because his son currently plays at Laval, and I've never ever heard him called Guy. I've checked old archives from the 1990s and he has always been called Guy-Noël. Frenchl (talk) 12:08, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

About Camavinga's nationality

Hello, can I ask you one question of Eduardo Camavinga's descent nationality? English Wikipedia says that he has DR Congo and Angola descent, but the fr:Eduardo Camavinga says that he has Republic of Congo and Angola descent. Both wikipedias has sources inside in it, so I'm not sure whether he has DR Congo descent or Republic of Congo descent... Can you please help me about his nationality information? --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 06:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I've spent a lot of time trying to understand and clarify this subject. I've explained the whole thing here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eduardo_Camavinga#Congo

This Republic of Congo nationality is an error that originally came from a flag error the LFP website makes for many DR Congolese players. All the sources who claim that he comes from the Republic of Congo have simply copied without checking.

Also the player himself displayed DR Congo and Angola flags on his Instagram account : https://www.facebook.com/leopardleaderfoot/photos/a.883171825044403/2837851202909779/?type=3

It's in line with the fact that Christopher Oualembo, assistant coach of DR Congo, tried to convince Camavinga and his mother : https://www.adiac-congo.com/content/leopards-football-le-selectionneur-adjoint

And it's confirmed by a recent book I added as a reference. Frenchl (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help! Have a nice day! --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Ethnicity in categories

Hello, Frenchl,

Category standards and practices have been developing over 22 years on this project. In particular, review Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people#Categorizing by ethnicity, gender, religion, sexuality, or disability. Please do not change elements like ethnicity or nationality based on your own personal opinion or point-of-view which may not be in sync with how these categories and classifications are used on Wikipedia. And please do not go on a editing tear making mass changes based on your likes and dislikes. Spend some time at WP:CFD so you understand the complexity that surrounds subjects like ethnicity in the category world on Wikipedia. Otherwise, you could find your edits being reverted en masse. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Spend some time on service-public.fr so you understand how French nationality works. This is not my point of view, this is law. Moving to France does not make you French. Being born in France does not make you French. Frenchl (talk) 07:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi; firstly, Wikipedia does not necessarily give precedence to any particular law or national convention, except when discussing them in a specific legal context. We have had many, many, many debates over this in which litigating on legal nationality and citizenship was not a major determining factor. Therefore, when talking about the categories with specific people, I would heavily advise against adopting an WP:IDHT attitude towards the above, you may land yourself an ANI thread. (To be very clear this is not a threat; I am uninvolved and have no intention of getting involved, it's just that there is a history of people getting on ANI when nationalities are involved, and I like to forestall ANI threads before they happen.)

That said, I did notice in recent changes that you made several edits to French people which consisted of removal of referenced materials. I don't know whether you are right, you could be; moreover this would also fall under the "specific legal context" I mentioned above. However, to be more constructive and avoid unnecessary reverts, may I suggest that instead of (for example) removing the sentence saying that "French law equates citizenship with nationality", you instead change it to "French law does not equate citizenship with nationality" and then tag on a source to the relevant legal document saying so. Fermiboson (talk) 15:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Done. Actually I was surprised to read this in the introductory section, because this is the exact opposite that is explained in the article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people#Nationality_and_citizenship Frenchl (talk) 15:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

November 2023

Hello, I'm Smasongarrison. I noticed that you recently removed content from Category:Emigrants_from_France_to_New_France without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please do not blank categories. It is disruptive [1] Mason (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

What don't you understand ? You are French, you live in Metropolitan France. You move to New France, which is a French territory. This cannot be emigration when a French person moves from a French territory to another French territory. Frenchl (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Category:Footballers by region in France, you may be blocked from editing. This is extremely disruptive Mason (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Being born in France does not make you French. We in France do not have automatic jus soli as in the United States. Please stop being US-biased. Frenchl (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Please stop being disruptive. If you have a problem with how categories work bring it up on CFD. Mason (talk) 20:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a problem with the way nationality law works ? Frenchl (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I have a problem with massive disruption to wikipedia. Please stop. This is not how categories work. Mason (talk) 20:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Now explain how an Algerian can be called an immigrant when he moves to Algeria. Immigration is moving to a country you don't have the nationality ! Frenchl (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

And now Didier Raoult should be called a Senegalese of French descent ??? He was born French in a French territory !! You don't even have proof he is Senegalese and no reliable source in France calls him like that. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Frenchl (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Again, please take this up with categories for discussion. There is a process for making changes on mass. I'm manually reverting your changes. Please review Wikipedia:Categorization before you make anyu more changes Mason (talk) 20:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'm only hearing about the process, nothing about the substance of the subject. Frenchl (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

And CfD is only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories. That's not what I'm about. It's been 17 years since the nationalities and locations have been mixed and nothing changes ! Frenchl (talk) 22:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Frenchl, every single topic on your talk page is editors raising concerns with how you edit. There are two ways forward - you either take on board concerns repeatedly raised and finally stop your disruptive editing, or we take your conduct to ANI and seek a block. Which would you prefer? GiantSnowman 21:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather you stopped acting like you own the articles you've created. This is against WP:OWNERSHIP policy. Frenchl (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Frenchl, please listen to what other editors are saying. Wikipedia is a collaborative project and has policies, rules and conventions so that we all pull in the same direction. If you disagree with certain policies, rules and conventions, you have two options: get them changed through discussions with other editors or accept them. If you edit in violation of them you risk getting blocked from editing. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Frenchl, so every single editor who has posted on your User talk page, some of whom have been editing Wikipedia for decades, is wrong and you are right? Wikipedia operates by consensus, not by individual interpretations of subject areas like nationality. As GiantSnowman has gently pointed out, you can be stubborn and insist you are right and Wikipedia policies and guidelines are wrong or you can lose your editing privileges. It's not OWNERSHIP when multiple editors are telling you that you are incorrect. We all must abide by the rules here even if we think we know better. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Truth is not determined by a majority vote.

In the next days I will demonstrate that the Category system is completely flawed, with many people being categorized as both dead and alive. Frenchl (talk) 23:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Please don't do that. It's extremely disruptive and will just waste a lot of people's time Mason (talk) 00:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, so now correcting bugs is disruptive. This is insane. Why do you find it so hard to face reality? I'm using Petscan a lot to perform cross-category searches and all this flawed system disrupts ME a lot and wasts MY TIME a lot ! Is Bashar al-Assad dead ? Polanski dead ? Henry Kissinger dead ? Of course they are not ! So why do they appear in the Dead people category ? Because you're not doing your job properly. Frenchl (talk) 00:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Very well, no answer. So I take it you have no problem with living people being miscategorized as dead. This must be because I have my *own interpretation* of subject areas like death. Frenchl (talk) 07:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Please don't use ableist language. I merely asked that you don't disrupt wikipedia to make a point, as it sounded like you were about to add numerous living people to categories saying they were deceased. Mason (talk) 00:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

HA HA HA. You're completely off the mark. I don't need to add living people to death categories, I don't even need to make edits. I can demonstrate that the category system is broken just by writing text on a discussion page, with links to Petscan requests and detailed path that make Polanski considered as dead by erroneous sub-sub-sub-categorizations. This is quite simple : the category The Holocaust, in which Polanski is subcategorized, is a subsubcat of Dead people. This is a nonsense, and is against WP:SUBCAT, that requires an is-a relationship. Again, Polanski is just a sample. There are 217 living French film producers on Wikipedia, 100% of them are also categorized as Dead people. Frenchl (talk) 06:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Category:People_of_former_French_colonies, you may be blocked from editing. Please stop! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:People_of_former_French_colonies&oldid=1186780580 Mason (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry but nationality cannot be derived from place of residence. Frenchl (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

AGAIN, if you have a problem with how categories work, please follow the proper channels for raising your concerns. Do not make massive changes to the categories like you are doing. It is disruptive. Many people have asked you to stop. Mason (talk) 15:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I think you do not understand how the categorization of people works. People from Foo is only for residence. Nationality is reflected by the occupation category (like French musicians). Frenchl (talk) 15:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

"People from Foo is only for residence" is not correct. Regardless, please use the proper channels for raising this concerns. Mason (talk) 15:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

This is totally correct, see here, and here : "Residential categories should not be used to record people who have never resided in that place". Please respect Wikipedia rules or I will raise your case to ANI. Frenchl (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Are you really threatening to bring me to ANI for asking you to raise your concerns about categories over at CFD? Mason (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)