Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 16

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 16, 2023.

Software humour

• Software humour → Easter egg (media)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's tricky to pin this down to a single topic. The phrase "Software humour" or "software humor" does not appear anywhere, and "humor" only appears at the bottom of the page as a category this page is in. Computer humour and Humor on the internet I think are both more likely targets for this phrase, as opposed to JUST limiting it to easter eggs, being one form of software humour. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Easter eggs aren't always humerous either. Thryduulf (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete not synonymous ;; could be a comedy routine about software -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 04:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, we have no specific content on enwiki for this to be a redirect or dab page. Jay 💬 09:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
• Retarget to Computer humour, which as a bonus mentions the current target. Create Software humor to match. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 09:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Retarget to Computer humour Generalissima (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
• Retarget to Computer humour as plausible subtype --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Trade War with China

• Trade War with China → China–United States trade war  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Also note that there exists an article on the Australia–China trade war, so the America-China trade war is not necessarily the primary topic of the phrase "Trade War with China". Silcox (talk) 06:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, pageviews indicate that for every day last month, the China-US page received between more than 10x minimum – 20x maximum the pageviews when compared to the Australian version of the same topic. I agree that a hatnote would definitely be useful linking to the Australian page, though. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Keep with hatnote per @Utopes, but I will keep this RfD open for the time being to be open to voices regarding this redirect Silcox (talk) 07:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Keep with hatnote per Utopes. I'd be tempted to point the hatnote at Trade war#List of trade wars or trade disputes (or the List of trade wars redirect I've just created to it) but it doesn't currently list the Australian example. It does however include the Opium wars between China and the west. Thryduulf (talk) 12:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  I've added Australia–China trade war to that list. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep with hatnote per above. 〜 Askarion ✉ 16:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Disambiguate. For a general search term like this one that's ambiguous between different countries, we shouldn't favor the country with a larger population just because that article gets more views. This is relevant to Wikipedia's systemic bias. Moreover, in terms of long-term significance the Opium Wars probably have a stronger claim to primary topic status than either of the other two articles. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Setindexify the most famous trade wars with China are the Opium Wars; the current target is definitively bad, since it is not the most famous or the most consequential trade war with China. The actual wars that was also a trade war would be better as a target if this were to remain a redirect. Afterall, the British pushed drugs onto China and got Hong Kong as compensation for having lost their drug dealers after China lost the drug war to the drug kingpins. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 06:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Setindexify per IP and Mx. Granger. Definitely do not keep as is for such a general term. Jay 💬 08:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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• DABify/Setindexify per Mx. Granger. Cremastra (talk) 18:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Aspen Academy

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 07:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Aspen Academy → Savage, Minnesota#Schools  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Aspen academy → Savage, Minnesota#Schools  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect is useless because there is no reference to the school in the article. Often when an elementary school or middle school is redirected, there is a list of schools in the target article. In this case, there is no list in which the school appears. The Heywood criterion is to insert a mention of at least the school and possibly other schools. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Add a mention then keep. There were no verifiability concerns brought up at the AfD, which resulted in a unanimous consensus to redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - there is a private school in Colorado with exactly the same name and two other public schools with similar names according to NCES. So the options seem to be, convert this to a DAB page that will most likely never lead anywhere (all the schools are K-8), or delete. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 15:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  I apologise in advance if I’m missing something here, but if there are other schools with the same name, what would be the problem with a {{school disambiguation}}? (As in, why would deletion be preferable?) Best, ^user:A smart kitten_meow 11:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

  In my mind, a DAB page that doesn't contain any links that lead to useful information are a waste of the reader's time. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 00:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete as per non. Not found in the target section. Toadette ^{(Happy holiday!)} 08:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Note: I’ve bundled the avoided double redirect Aspen academy into this nomination. Best, ^user:A smart kitten_meow 12:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and others. Unless the Schools section is rewritten, I don't see how a mention can be added, and even a mere mention needn't be sufficient to justify the redirect since it is a name for multiple schools. Tagged the first with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 06:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to allow for a full week to pass since the tagging of the second redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Aseguradores de la calidad

• Aseguradores de la calidad → Quality assurance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:FORRED. However, this redirect is a {{R with history}} with some content in English, and I'm not sure what should happen to that respective edit history. Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Move page to a title in English to preserve its history, and either keep as a redirect or restore and send to AfD. The Spanish version should definitely be deleted, though, as per nom. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. There's nothing in the page history worth keeping. It's completely unreferenced and looks like it was ran through a machine translator. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per Tavix. It appears to be a translation attempt of a textbook-languaged version. Jay 💬 08:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
• Restore and send to AfD per Cyclone Yoris as a contested BLAR. The article content is not speedily deletable (the article contains more information than the existing Software quality assurance article) and so must be discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Restore then send to AfD per WP:BLAR --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Paupers deck challenge

• Paupers deck challenge → Magic: The Gathering  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

• The appropriate content currently lives at Magic: The Gathering formats#Pauper. Maybe retarget there? (Maybe not. There's significant distinctions between the non-redirect content in the history here and the second paragraph there - to wit, neither is about the pauper format per se, but its implementations on Magic: The Gathering Online - the one player-organized, and the other officially-run and implemented in software.) —Cryptic 06:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Tagged with {{R from merge}}. This was a stub which was merged to the current target in 2004. Jay 💬 08:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
• Don’t delete as an {{R from merge}}, per K1 (and, given the page has existed since 2004, possibly also per K4). This redirect was merged into Pauper magic, which was in turn merged into Magic: The Gathering. At some point, Pauper magic was retargeted to Magic: The Gathering formats#Pauper (although I’ve not yet looked in that page’s history to check for merges).
  I’m not overly familiar with the subject, so I wouldn’t feel comfortable opining on the best target; however, I’ll leave invitations to this discussion at Talk:Magic: The Gathering Online and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Magic: The Gathering. Best, ^user:A smart kitten_meow 15:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

  This merge argument is ridiculous. There was one substantive edit to the old article, by 192.85.47.1. There, I've provided all needed attribution. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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The Cock Destroyers

• The Cock Destroyers → Rebecca More  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

To encourage article creation. (There previously was one, but it was deleted per WP:G5.) Launchballer 23:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Also bundle Cock Destroyers with this. Jay 💬 09:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Moscopolea

• Moscopolea → Moscopole  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Moscopole is a village in Albania. It is known as Moscopole in Aromanian, a Romance language related to Romanian. "Moscopolea" is not an alternate name of the city. -a is the definite articulation particle, it's basically the same as saying "the Moscopole", cities in English-speaking countries like New York can also be added this particle in Aromanian but it might be hard to understand for English-speakers. Anyway, we don't need this redirect. An Aromanian-speaker would look up the base name of the village, if their intention is getting to the article. For more information look up Moscopole's Wiktionary entry [1]. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Retarget to Nicolae Velo and tag as {{R from poem}}. Jay 💬 08:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Yellow-Top Cab

• Yellow-Top Cab → Taxis of Singapore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

While it is mentioned at the target, this phrase is used to describe taxis around the world. N.b. this is not a proper noun in RS (see the cited sources [2] [3]), although there are many non-notable companies that use this name in the US, Singapore, and likely elsewhere. Allowing for search results seems more appropriate here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Keep. The term is complicated: at various points in Singapore it has been a proper noun referring variously to a brand of car, a company brand of taxi and a collective term for independent cabs, see [4]. However, while there are plenty of yellow cabs around the world, as far as I can tell the term "Yellow-Top Cab" is largely exclusive to Singapore and the redirect is the right choice until this is spun out into its own article. Jpatokal (talk) 03:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Keep. Since I'm currently in Singapore myself I used a VPN to Google at Australia, Poland & Spain and look at the top results. Apart from one from Malawi and a few from other places (can't recall all), the top 10 were mostly occupied by Singapore, with links from Singaporean sites, Commons and Wikipedia itself (one of the most repeated result is this from The Straits Times). I'd somehow be more inclined to vote for a disambiguation if it's yellow-top taxis and not cabs. S5A-0043^Talk 10:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. If we go by the search results rationale, either hyphenated or non-hyphenated, there is only one article, Murder of Lee Kim Lai which is again Singapore-related. Jay 💬 09:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Commenting For Better Reach

• Commenting For Better Reach → Social media reach  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Commenting for better reach → Social media reach  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Although CFBR is a real strategy, it is absent from the social media reach page. Silcox (talk) 19:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - Keep per WP:CHEAP as a plausible search term, or create article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment: I have added Commenting for better reach to the nomination, which was created by the same editor as Commenting For Better Reach. Steel1943 (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. That, and WP:CHEAP does not apply in this case since it's not inherently clear why the terms targets where it does. This phrase has some WP:REDLINK potential as a stand-alone topic, or even as a topic identified in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 15:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Reply - Then we should add cfbr to Social media reach. This redirect needs to be relisted, as "Commenting for better reach" was not added until today. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Reply - I am also open to creating a page titled "Commenting for better reach". --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since a second redirect was added just yesterday, and further input is still needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. May be recreated as an article if notable, or as a redirect if mention is added elsewhere. Jay 💬 09:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Planked boat

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 24#Planked boat

Trivial extension

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Hylland's theorem

• Hylland's theorem → Aanund Hylland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target article is a straight biography and contains no mentions of his theorems whatsoever, meaning in contexts like Gibbard's theorem ("Gibbard's theorem is itself generalized by Gibbard's 1978 theorem and Hylland's theorem..."), the reader clicks the redirect expecting to find discussion of his theorems and instead receives nothing at all. This violates the Principle of Least Astonishment. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:D1A0:7BBB:E6CF:5C27 (talk) 18:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC) (Send talk messages here instead)

• I have notified the creator RobLa, in case he has an opinion. Jay 💬 11:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I put the redirect and a talk-page comment in place in hopes that someone who knows more about "Hylland's theorem" (e.g. those that glibly mention it in the "Allan Gibbard" and "Gibbard's theorem" articles) might actually elaborate. Alas, there hasn't been any activity, even in my response to my May 2022 comment on the "Aanund Hylland" talk page. There's a wiki that I'm heavily involved with ("electowiki") from which I try to link heavily to English Wikipedia articles, and I think I created the English Wikipedia redirect when I created a counterpart to the page ( here: https://electowiki.org/wiki/Hylland's_theorem ), which used to link to the English Wikipedia redirect. I've since added a link on electowiki to the presumed first paper published by Aanund Hylland in 1980. "Hylland's theorem" may be more commonly known as "Hylland free riding", which is also glibly mentioned in many places on English Wikipedia ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Hylland%20free%20riding ). It would be handy if the redirect stayed intact, since hopefully Cunningham's law will kick in, and someone will actually flesh out what they mean by "Hylland's theorem" on the "Aanund Hylland" page. That's my theory/hope. -- RobLa (talk) 04:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

List of accolades received by folklore

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Half measures

• Half measures → Half Measures  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a case where following WP:DIFFCAPS means that the sentence-case version should simply be a redlink. There is no encyclopedic primary topic for the general concept of "half measures", and over time a redirect like this risks racking up erroneous bluelinks. While I wouldn't hugely oppose a soft-retarget to wikt:half-measure, I think readers are better served simply by the search results, mirroring redlinks half measure, half-measure, and half-measures. The Breaking Bad episode will still be the top result in those search results. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 09:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Interesting one. The wikt link isn't entirely satisfactory: I'm sure there are literal uses in music and pertaining to alcoholic drinks. I've tried to draft disambiguation entires here, which should probably be at Half measure, to which all other redirects can point. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC):

• • Half measure, a half bar in music
  • Half, one of several alcohol measurements
  • "Half Measures", an episode of TV series Breaking Bad

See also:

• • No Half Measures (disambiguation)
• Disambig at Half measure and retarget this there per Shhhnotsoloud. Thryduulf (talk) 03:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Cult house

• Cult house → Temple  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this counts as #3 under WP:RDEL, given that cult is most frequently used as a pejorative. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Clovermoss, the reason I made this link is that it is used frequently in scholarship (in this case regarding Germanic peoples) to mean a building in which a particular religious group performs religious ceremonies. Cult in this sense is being used as in the Cult of Mithras or the redirect Cult of Isis. It is the phrase used in the source I am citing which uses it in contexts that aren't pejorative such as "It seems as if the hall buildings and cult houses in Svetjud, Trøndelag and sometimes in Iceland occupied a prominent position in the landscape". An alternative linking would be to Place of worship but the phrase in itself is important and should not be deleted. Ingwina (talk) 08:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ingwina: Thank you for the contextual explanation. :) Is it possible you could add context about all this to the article? Right now the term isn't used in the target article at all (#8 at WP:RDEL). But if some content about this term is added to the article and its use in scholarship, that particular concern would be remedied. I do think it's possible that the term might be vague if it has multiple possible targets (e.g. place of worship as you mentioned). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all. I'll have a look for a source that defines it well in a general sense. In scholarship, the phrase is so common place it isn't usually explicitly defined but I agree it'd be good to have something on the pages talking about terms. I personally don't think it is too vague to be a suitable redirect - only that the Temple and Place of worship pages overlap signficantly in their scope and thus anything that falls into temple could just as easily fall into "place of worship". I guess given that it means a building where religious ceremonies are performed in a very general sense, Place of worship is probably more suitable as that's where Religious building redirects. Ingwina (talk) 08:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep/ change to Place of worship. I'm not at all pursuaded by the need to follow the popular connotations of "cult", which is a useful word, still very widely used in academic writing. We have similar issues with Cult image etc. Isn't "cult house" also a thing in Pacific anthropology? Johnbod (talk) 18:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. All targets suggested so far fail WP:RNEUTRAL, given the potential negative connotation that comes with the word "cult". Steel1943 (talk) 01:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
• Keep per the common neutral use of "cult" in academic settings, especially in regards to ancient secretive religious movements. Generalissima (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

API (redirects and miscellaneous)

• API (redirects and miscellaneous) → API  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect has ... a troubled past and an problematic present. The past is ... apparently, this redirect holds history containing article versions for multiple unrelated subjects, as if users were using this page (when it was at API, apparently) as a sandbox or an WP:AFC process of some sort. However, as a redirect towards its current target, the disambiguator is unhelpful and unclear. In other words, it's unclear if the history should be retained, split, or whatever ... but either way, except for the non-article content at this title, the edit history is all over the place. Steel1943 (talk) 16:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Move the edit history of the redirect to A.P.I. as keep the current destination, as this was created in 2001 as a redirect; making the current title a redlink -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 15:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Histmerge the 7 January 2010 edits by Armychild (talk · contribs) and Rasputin72 (talk · contribs) to Igor Babailov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as an earlier version of the article created later that day. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 15:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Histmerge this 24 October 2009 edit [5] to Wadih Saadeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as an earlier effort to create the article currently at Wadih Sa'adeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 15:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• We don't need to be dredging through the history a decade later for odd bits and pieces to reattach to other articles. There's a numerically large number of edits here but none of them have any actual value. Just delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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• As a title, this was created during a 2020 page move by Anthony Appleyard, with the rationale get away from incoming. That makes it sound like a temporary page title in a round-robin page move scenario which never got completed. As such, let's complete the round robin by history merging the pre-move content to Application programming interface and then deleting the redirect (and do the same for the talk). -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete per Tavix after preforming the history merge. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Process (information system development)

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2000 South Korean Census

• 2000 South Korean Census → Census#South Korea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target section does not exist. In addition, I've looked around Wikipedia, and I'm not seeing any existent articles of mentions about censuses that take place in South Korea. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: The appropriate target for this would be Population_and_housing_censuses_by_country#South_Korea, at least until there's a more specific page, following a page split in 2012. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 04:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, there is no 2000 census on both pages (Census#South Korea and Population and housing censuses by country#South Korea). SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 10:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• As this is re-listed, after having thought about it, I'm going to say Retarget to Population and housing censuses by country#South Korea, for a few reasons. Firstly, the nomination was misinformed, and doesn't present a strong case for deletion. As I previously mentioned, all the modern censuses were moved from the Census page to the aforementioned 'list by country' page, where South Korea is specifically mentioned, shortly after this redirect was created in 2012. That list page is used to collate data before moving to 'Censuses in country' pages, or even more specific pages by year. It's an incredibly slow and lengthy process. In other words, one day this page will exist in some form. It's also a plausible search term, using the same format as other 'census in x' pages, such as 2000 United States Census. These census redirects for many countries are plentiful and cheap. There are incoming links which reflect that this census is explicitly referenced. In an ideal world this link will lead readers to more information about not just this census, but censuses in South Korea as a whole. Actually I think that role is being fulfilled here, as readers will find out that 2000 was not the latest census, and there may be a more up to date source. But lacking a small bit of info for the specific year, for a plausible search term, is not a misuse of a redirect. It's just a work in progress. And it will probably be less work to just mention it on the target page. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and SouthPark. May be recreated when we have actual content. Jay 💬 07:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Early European population statistics and censuses

• Early European population statistics and censuses → Census  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Early european population statistics and censuses → Census  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect has good amount of issues. For one, it is unclear what "Early European" means, considering the target does not define it and Early European does not exist. Thus, the subject of this redirect seems to not be defined in the target article. Lastly, there could be an WP:XY issue since Population statistics and Census are two separate articles. Lastly ... however, this redirect is a {{R with history}} as the result of a WP:BLAR in 2010. Steel1943 (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment skim-reading that old content, it looks like an essay about this history of demography in Europe so I think the nom is bracketing the title wrong - it's (Early) (European population statistics and censuses) rather than (Early European) (population statistics and censuses), so that part of the nomination statement isn't correct, and a Demography article would resolve the XY issues. Demographics of Europe#History is the closest thing I've found to content that matches the subject, but I'm torn between retargetting there and reverting the BLAR in favour of an AfD (while at first glance it seems a sure delete, those with subject matter knowledge I don't have may see something salvageable in it. Thryduulf (talk) 02:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Nominator comment: Early european population statistics and censuses added to this discussion. For what it's worth, this redirect has no edit history. Steel1943 (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Demographics of Europe#History per Thryduulf. Jay 💬 07:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Early European population

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 23#Early European population

2011 Camry

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Toyota Camry#Timeline. Jay 💬 07:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• 2011 Camry → Toyota Camry (XV40)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There exists two series of "2011 Camry"; the XV40, produced from January to August, and the XV50, produced since August.

Both Camry models have a 60-40 split (in XV40's favour) as regards page views, so I doubt that the (2011) XV40 Camry should be deemed the primary topic for the words "2011 Camry" alone. Thanks. Silcox (talk) 04:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep, with all due respect, I'm afraid the good-faith nominator may not be fully aware of how the automotive industry works with regards to model years for car sales. There is only one series of the 2011 Camry, which is the XV40. Cars representing the upcoming model year are released for public sale around August-September of the prior calendar year. So, the units produced and sold near the end of 2011 are the 2012 model year (referred to as the 2012 Camry), which is the first year of the XV50 generation. The 2011 Camry is the final model year of the XV40 generation and what readers are intending to look for, as years (when attached to car model names such as 'Camry') basically always refer to model years, not production dates. Left guide (talk) 07:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  That is an American convention that differs greatly from the convention used in most other markets, resulting in an ambiguous situation. See my comment below.  Stepho  talk  07:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, after reading Stepho-wrs's explanation below. Left guide (talk) 07:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete In North America the 2011 model year must include 1 Jan 2011, so therefore a North American 2011 Camry was built from mid-2010 to mid-2011. But in most of the rest of the world the 2011 Camry was introduced in mid-2011 and therefore the Japanese/Australian/British/German/French/etc 2011 Camry was built from mid-2011 to mid-2012, which is a full 12 months after a North American so called 2011 Camry. This is blatantly against the long standing guide at WP:MODELYEAR and causes confusion for American vs non-American editors and readers.  Stepho  talk  07:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Left guide has also constructed similar redirects to the 2007-2010 US style model years to cover production for January 2006 to August 2011. Those redirects should follow the same outcome as the 2011 redirect.  Stepho  talk  07:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Stepho-wrs: I appreciate the clarification and guideline about the 2011 redirect, but what ambiguity is there for the 2007-2010 year searches? If readers will land at the intended generation page anyways, then those redirects should be kept, yes? Or am I missing something? Left guide (talk) 07:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Appreciate the civil response - so rare to see on WP.

  The problem is that if there are 2007-2010 redirects then you can bet your bottom dollar that somebody will recreate the "missing" 2011 redirect. We need to think in terms of systems rather than in terms of an individual redirect. And we really need to ween Americans off the idea that the whole world does things the same as them.  Stepho  talk  08:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Retarget to Toyota Camry#Timeline. If a highly plausible search term is ambiguous then we should retarget to a page that disambiguates it, and the timeline does exactly that. Thryduulf (talk) 09:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Sooner or later somebody will say "why not just redirect it to Toyota Camry (XV40). And then we will be back in exactly the same situation as now. Model years are fine for cars sold only in North America but are utterly incompatible with cars sold internationally due to ambiguity with almost every non-American market.  Stepho  talk  21:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Retargeting to the timeline is actually not a bad idea, and if edit wars or other disputes ensue, then the redirect can be protected as necessary. Left guide (talk) 00:28, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  If someone asks that question the answer is that retargetting would be ambiguous and/or they can be pointed at this discussion. If someone retargets it without discussion then that can be reverted per this discussion and WP:BRD. We don't make the encyclopaedia harder for readers to navigate in order to make editors' lives possibly quieter. Thryduulf (talk) 02:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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• Retarget to Toyota Camry#Timeline this time around. Left guide (talk) 04:26, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Googe.com

• Googe.com → Typosquatting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target, no indication it's a frequent misnomer of Google. Creator has a history of redirect issues. Star Mississippi 01:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Keep. More frequently searched for than tyopsquatting. It is true that user:JayCubby (It says in the upper corner of my screen that I am user:JayCubby but one shouldn't believe everything one reads on Wikipedia, if Wikipedia is to be considered an authority on that matter, anyways) has an issue with creating redirects, if his revision history is to be believed.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=googe,typosquatting&hl=en-US  🇺🇸🇮🇱JayCubby probby haz NPOV on the Isr.-Pal. Conflict🇮🇱🇺🇸  talk 01:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep Looks like a fairly plausible search term. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, it's a misspelling of the typosquatting website Goggle.com, but some people searching the term might also be looking for the regular Google search engine. Since we don't have DAB pages for misspellings, I would suggest deletion. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• It does appear to be an example of typosquatting itself (do a search for "googe.com"), but it is also a very plausible misspelling of Google itself. Delete per SouthParkFan to avoid confusion. Cremastra (talk) 13:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
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• Delete per Cremastra. Jay 💬 08:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)