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Jubilee emblem

Hi Leventio! I'm little bit confused. Hope you can help:

The Platinum Jubilee article says that the Jubilee emblem was registered with the Canadian Heraldic Authority in August 2021, and that is according to GG's source, which states the date as 20 August 2021. But the Canada Gazette states that it was registered on 15 December 2021.

What to do here? Peter Ormond 💬 11:56, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: I'd go with the Gazette as that is the more official source and is typically where the announcements are formalized. The gg.ca webpage itself is incomplete in the data it presents (such as the the edition of the Gazette it was supposed to be in). The fact that the GG.ca page (and code) has been removed/hidden from the public makes me suspect that the specific GG.ca page for the emblem may have never been intended for public consumption.

With regards to the dates, if I were to take a stab in the dark, August was probably when the Herald actually created it, and December was when it was actually gazetted. But this is purely speculation on my part. Leventio (talk) 01:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit. I also felt that the Gazette was more reliable than any other website, but I just wanted to confirm. And, the emblem was created in April 2021, and sent for the Queen's approval in May 2021. [1] Peter Ormond 💬 05:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Peaked cap article

Regarding that and the photograph in the section about the Royal Air Force. That image is not the only one available. More can be seen here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Peaked_caps_of_the_Royal_Air_Force

I suggest adding more photographs, but arranging them in a row under the text, as is the case here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force#Helicopters What do you think of that? Dreddmoto (talk) 18:49, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dreddmoto: Yeah sure! Saying that, my initial major edits on that page was largely aimed at reducing the clutter of (what I thought to be) repetitive images and some minor MoS image edits. So long as images in the gallery are distinct in purpose, I don't really see why we couldn't expand it with a gallery. Leventio (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. I'll choose some images. --Dreddmoto (talk) 00:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Talk:CADPAT was archived

Thanks for replying. I don't know why but, the discussion there was moved to an archive. I noticed your addition of images which were useful. Would adding an image of a jacket like this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tradewinds_2014_140624-M-IJ438-088.jpg or this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Julie_Payette_with_Petro_Poroshenko_in_Ukraine_-_2018_-_(1516277406).jpg be useful? What about a good view of the matching hat, like this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20151026_ITA_Showing_capabilities_in_Arrepiado_%26_Tancos_2_(22585064891).jpg ? Dreddmoto (talk) 02:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Dreddmoto: Happy to help. This is more of a preference thing, but I've been avoiding images that feature other camouflage patterns that isn't CADPAT for clarity purposes (outside the image featuring MARPAT at the end, though I added for direct comparison purposes). That said, I've went ahead and swapped out the second CADPAT TW image in the multitemp with this [2] to showcase the pattern on most of the operational uniform & on the boonie hat. Leventio (talk) 14:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that. The choice of images is helpful in showing the different uniform items. I had not thought of including the image with MARPAT uniform or how you arranged the first and second images. Those could be useful ideas that can be adapted for use in other articles. Thanks again. --Dreddmoto (talk) 00:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

History of Toronto

Apologies for re-inserting my edits! I know about the history of Toronto but I don't know about how to use Wikipedia. I assumed I had screwed something up...

The edits that you have reverted were intended to correct the statement that the Mississauga people inhabited the area around Toronto prior to the Haudenosaunee. I have never heard that theory, not have I seen any evidence of that. The Beaver Wars around Toronto were between the Haudenosaunee and the Huron-Wendat (and other non-Haudenosaunee Iroquoians like the Petun and Neutral), and didn't involve the Mississaugas, as far as I know.

Also, in terms of the absorbtion and integration of the Huron-Wendat into the Haudenosaunee, that is not very accurate, in my view. Some have called the attack a genocide. Here is how Lloyd E. Divine Jr., a Wyandotte historian, describes the 1649 battles in On the Back of a Turtle (at pg. 55):

The Huron-Wendat initially repelled the Iroquois invasions; however, after the palisade walls were finally breached on March 16, 1649, many Huron-Wendats were indiscriminately slaughtered. After the destruction of the great Huron-Wendat village of St. Louis, the next day the Iroquois advanced deeper into the heart of Huronia and attacked the French fort and mission of St. Marie. There, all three hundred Huron warriors who had been sent to repel the attack were killed. It is estimated that during three battles over two days the Iroquois lost at least one-third of their army. With such a loss the Iroquois decided to withdraw to Iroquoia, for they were aware the Huron could amass an army and kill every last one of their warriors. Unknowing of the Iroquois retreat, the Huron, fearing another attack, scattered, essentially abandoning Huronia and leaving it a desolated and haunted country. The Iroquois had unknowingly accomplished a decisive victory and did not negotiate any terms of surrender. In the time it took the Huron to collect their personal belongings and flee, likely a matter of hours, the once-all-mighty Huron-Wendat Confederacy ceased to exist.

Mr. Divine uses the terms like "annihilate", disperse" and "captivity". He says the following about the Haudenosaunee war with the Huron-Wendat at pg 56:

A long, horrible war had razed complete villages, and their inhabitants were slaughtered or led away into captivity and adoption. Tribes were displaced and many annihilated. However, today there is no accounting for many of the various tribes that once existed. They were either destroyed or adopted into other tribes, and their names lost in history.

Also, I think that the article shouldn't minimize the existence of descendants of Huron-Wendat refugees, the Huron-Wendat Nation in Quebec. Mcollinge (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mcollinge: Hey, no worries, I figured I'd just give you a heads up. Just a quick primer for Wiki though, if you remove a source without a comment summary in the article, it generally raises flags to other editors about a potential blanking.

With regards to the content your adding, for this: intended to correct the statement that the Mississauga people inhabited the area around Toronto prior to the Haudenosaunee, I have no contentions with your edits there. In a similar vein, I've also never heard that and as far as I know the Missisaugas moved into the region at the end of the 17th century). If I did revert this series of edits, apologies for that, that was not my intention, feel free to correct that. Similarly with regards to this: Also, I think that the article shouldn't minimize the existence of descendants of Huron-Wendat refugees, the Huron-Wendat Nation in Quebec, overall I have no issue with that, though it should be kept in mind that the content should be within reason and pertinent to the overall article topic (being the History of Toronto), and not of the wider region/group (which have their own respective articles).

In saying all that, the issue I had concerns with was the absorbtion/dispersement of the Huron and Iroqouis. There seems to be opposing viewpoints on this issue, with the article already echoing the viewpoint that they were absorbed after said conflict (which itself is a reflection of a source used in the article). Per the source:

During the 1640s and 1650s, the Iroquois confederacy defeated, destroyed, dispersed, or absorbed their aboriginal enemies in southern Ontario, including the Hurons, along with peoples in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and other areas. Some Huron refugees retreated westward to join other displaced people in forming a new nation, the Wyandot, and others either fled eastward to settle near Quebec or disappeared into the native societies of the north. However, the largest group of surviving Hurons were absorbed as wartime adoptees into the Iroquois nations to the south and eventually were integrated as full members of the Five Nations Confederacy. (Natives and Newcomers, 1600-1793, Carl Benn, Toronto History Museums)

That said, I understand you have a conflicting opinion on the issue, and thats fine (provided you have a reliable source that backs up your assertion). So long as you have a reliable source, you're free to add an opposing account/assessment of the conflict, but you should not remove the opposing viewpoint/assessment of an issue without explanation (unless a prevailing opinion is well established, both accounts/assessments are valid). Ideally, if there are opposing opinions on the issue (and one side is not well-established as the prevailing one), both accounts should be presented neutrally and well-sourced.

In saying that though, if you wish to assert a claim as strong as genocide, it is important that you have sources that back up said claim that explicitly call it as such (not to say that it wasn't, but a claim of that nature would requires a source that makes the statement). With that note, I feel it is important to point out one of Wikipedia's three pillars, that Wikipedia in itself is supposed to be a reflection of what is written in WP:RS, and not an editorialization of the source. The content you add should generally be a reflection of the source you use, without personal extrapolation.

In any case, thanks for starting the discussion and happy editing! Leventio (talk) 15:43, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay great! I'll make a few edits along those lines. I don't think that we're saying different things with respect to the outcome for the Huron-Wendat, it's more a difference in tone. I think that we can agree that they were killed, dispersed or forcibly adopted into the Haudenosaunee nations. Mcollinge (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Combat uniform

Your view would be appreciated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Combat_uniform#Canada Dreddmoto (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I noticed the recent edits there. They are helpful. I've been looking for good quality images of CADPAT to help with doing illustrations and making military models that are to be painted. I would like to refer others to those images. Photographs of CADPAT AR are particularly useful. How about adding one more to the CADPAT article? Perhaps this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Canadians,_Marines_training_AAV%27s_130619-M-FJ247-007.jpg because it shows boonie hats? --Dreddmoto (talk) 16:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Dreddmoto: I've added a multiple image template for the AR section and swapped out the image you found with the older one. I've also included another image that provides the clearest image of the actual AR patern itself (keeping in mind of the article topic, at least one image should be highlighting the pattern itself as opposed to any specific dress/clothing.... that said if you find another image that better highlights what the pattern design is, feel free to swap it again).

That said though, if I'm being honest, I am hesistant towards adding anymore images into this article, given its small size, it is already quite image heavy. A WikiCommon's link already exists and is more sufficient for referring people who are interested in finding more images about the topic. Leventio (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Wow, thanks very much! I realise that the article is image heavy but, it's very helpful. I'm not very advanced when painting and this can help. I don't think that or the Combat uniform article needs another CADPAT image. You've been a big help not only choosing but also arranging the photographs. That multiple image template was also useful because I've not used that for edits in other articles, so now I can learn how to do it.

The only related question is regarding the introduction of the Combat uniform article. One day commons might have a good photograph of multiple kinds of combat uniforms, including a plain green or plain khaki example alongside camouflaged uniforms. In that case, should such an image go with or replace the current image in the introduction? --Dreddmoto (talk) 03:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@Dreddmoto: Always happy to help!

With regards to the combat uniform article, I also think the lead image should be swapped out (preferably with something that showcased multiple combats). There should be some avalible in the Commons, though it might require some digging (probably a few categorized under NATO or international military exercises like RIMPAC). Leventio (talk) 22:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Good ideas. I'll post a section about this on the talk page of that article. If I find such an image I'll put a link to it on that page. --Dreddmoto (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Leventio, regarding the lead image in that article. I posted that section here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Combat_uniform#Introduction_photograph on 22 January and your view would be appreciated there. I'll put links in that section, to images that I'm considering. --Dreddmoto (talk) 22:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Your view regarding my suggestion of 20 July 2023 would be appreciated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Combat_uniform#Introduction_photograph --Dreddmoto (talk) 17:37, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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	Hey, Leventio! I just noticed that you contributed significantly to making the entry on Queen's University a good article. I'm pursuing a PhD at Queen's. The article might have well influenced my decision to apply to study here. Just wanted to thank you for all your great work. Keep it up! Nataev talk 20:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I hope you enjoy your time in Queens! Leventio (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Rideau Hall

I've re-named the viceregal subsection, to better reflect the images (a majority of which are the monarch) & the content, which has quite a bit of info about the monarch. GoodDay (talk) 19:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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@Moxy: Thanks a bunch! I was planning on submitting it to GOCE after a bit more editing/trimming. Leventio (talk) 00:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you!

Thank you for the extensive copyediting you've done at Coronation of Charles III and Camilla. I know it's tedious work, but it's much appreciated! Feel free to remove this message once you've read it. A.D.Hope (talk) 07:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@A.D.Hope: Thanks! I've noticed you put in a lot of work refining the article layout itself. The article looks much better because of it! Leventio (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

MOS:OL issue in Coronation article

Thanks for informing me of MOS:OL on my edit to the section List_of_guests_at_the_coronation_of_Charles_III_and_Camilla#Uninvited_states. I was not aware of the overlinking issue, will keep in mind for the future!

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Coronation sections

Hello! I do agree with you that several of the Commonwealth sections are very short, but thinking long-term it's probably best to keep the article structured as it is so that other editors are encouraged to flesh out those sections and create ones for the remaining realms/members. Introducing thematic sections could get messy (in fact the UK and Canada's subsections are already a bit dubious). I do appreciate your work, as ever! A.D.Hope (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@A.D.Hope: Honestly, my issue with it was making sure it abides by MOS guidelines (I get the desire for section consistency, but the MOS is king). In hindsight though, I could have just went about it by fleshing out the sections instead.

That said, I was planning to consolidate the indigenous leaders section into a general lead paragraph for the section, seeing as how it somewhat goes against the nation-based sectioning (i.e. similar to how there is a general summative for the ceremony section). Thoughts? Leventio (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we can probably interpret the article to be an exception to 'short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings'. We can reasonably expect more to be added to the short sections, and we don't want to imply a hierarchy between the realms by giving some subsections but not others.

I think your lead idea is a good one, and I see you've already incorporated it. Putting information about Indigenous responses first definitely seems better than tacking it on at the end, it sets a precedent if there's other news involving several realms. A.D.Hope (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Thats fair, and I get that sentiment. Its sort of why I didn't really push back on it, and just resorted to expanding them. Anyways, happy editing! Leventio (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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Golden Knights

Hey, considering the recent Vegas Golden Knights Stanley Cup win, I think that that article could probably be promoted to a GA with no work and possibly an FA with a little effort. You're a signifiant contributor to the article, so I would just like to let you know. The fork was never found. Wow. I died laughing. I might nominate it at TFA; it hasn't appeared on the Main Page yet. Wow that's a good article. Cessaune [talk] 11:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cessaune: The article certainly has the potential to be promoted (its really only needs citations for unsupported sentences, alt tags for images), and I'd be more than happy to help out and take it through the GA-process!

That said, if I'm being honest, for that article, my contributions have primarily just been WikiGnome formatting work and images. I believe User:The Kip is the one who actually added the glut of the content in that article, so it might be more appropriate for Kip to start that process (unless they'd rather not be the one initiating the nom). (ps: the last sentence of Tarrare really is a masterpiece of sorts) Leventio (talk) 20:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cessaune @Leventio I've since greatly expanded the season summaries to an appropriate level of detail (no longer simply one line each, but not excessively in-depth either), and I've decided to nominate it for GA. Thanks for the suggestion and let's see where this goes! The Kip (talk) 06:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @ 50 goals in 50 games

I hit the "thanks" button but I wanted to do it personally too—apologies for the Matthews oversight and thanks for cleaning it up! I think I need a nap... Wracking ^talk! 01:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries, it happens to the best of us! Leventio (talk) 01:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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When I Was Sick

+1 Thanks for your work on Homeless Jesus.

Putting When I Was Sick on your radar, in case you're interested.

Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Ditto When I Was Naked ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Another Believer Same to you. Your great work with public art in Toront hasn't gone unnoticed on this end, so thank you for that!

Regarding those articles, I expanded the When I Was Naked article just a bit. I can help expand the other one later this weekend. Leventio (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful, and thanks for your kind words. I enjoyed seeing a lot of Toronto's public art recently. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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You suck!!

LOL!!!!! So let me know when YOUR ready for a GA run for Military history of Canada....more then ready in my view . More then willing to help with GA review concerns and can ask a few others to jumpin. Moxy- 23:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Moxy Haha, I've been sorta neglecting the article for the past few months admittingly! I just added the last bit in there and have (finally) submitted the article to the GOCE for copyediting Leventio (talk) 23:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Here is the official news from TSN confirming the signing. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/oilers-agree-to-deal-with-veteran-forward-corey-perry-1.2065754 192.34.226.114 (talk) 20:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@192.34.226.114: Per the source, "TSN's Ryan Rishaug can confirm that the two sides have agreed to a contract with an official announcement likely coming on Monday."

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Thank-you—

—for linking to Tarrare#Death on your userpage. It's a public service, really. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I had the exact same thought, @Cremastra! And it so happened that I was eating while I read it! Nataev ^talk 19:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Nataev: And it so happened that I was eating while I read it! Oh God, I'm so sorry. /lh 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Saga at Queen's

Good day! I was wondering if you could take a look at my recent revisions on the entry on Queen's University at Kingston. I wonder if I've formulated everything right. Nataev ^talk 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Nataev: Looks great! I just did some minor copyediting and expounded a bit on the top 15 part. Leventio (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank you! Nataev ^talk 23:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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