User talk:Lawyer.F

March 2023

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Azerbaijan Energy Regulatory Agency (March 19)

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I'm not interested in that article anymore. it might be deteled Lawyer.F (talk) 15:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hey man im josh (talk) 10:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Renamed

Unblocked. Welcome back. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Hello, Lawyer.F. I noticed that your recent edit to Jafar Kavian added a link to an image on an external website or on your computer, or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server. For technical and policy reasons it is not possible to use images from external sources on Wikipedia. Most images you find on the internet are copyrighted and cannot be used on Wikipedia, or their use is subject to certain restrictions. If the image meets Wikipedia's image use policy, consider uploading it to Wikipedia yourself or request that someone else upload it. See the image tutorial to learn about wiki syntax used for images. Thank you. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 10:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thats a lot for information. Actually I endeavour to add a link to an image that you can see in russian and azerbaijani versions. is it nesessary to add the same into english version database or it is still possible to use the image from other language versions? Lawyer.F (talk) 06:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Mohammad Khan Qajar of Erivan. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

See also [1] [2] [3]. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

please make it clear what you mean under my own point? Accorcing to all official documents the head of khates (Khan) were having the titul of sardar, that means the general in army. Even the palace of erivan khans was called "Sardar palace", that means the 'palace of general'. you can check it thoughout of the internet. It is an axiom, not theory. Lawyer.F (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on WP:RS citations, not our own personal deductions/conclusions (see WP:SYNTH and WP:OR). Also, please click and read the three links I posted. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Mohammad-Ali Mirza Dowlatshah, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

from the article about Mohammed Khan Qajar you can see that the name of the city in the Qajar's period was Erivan. When you canged that for Dowlatshah, it is confused. Please amend that mistake Lawyer.F (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Moreover, in the article "Qajar iran" you can see that the court language and mother tongue of royal family of Qajar was Azerbaijani. So, it is not justice to depict the name of Dowlatshah just in persian, ignoring azerbaijani. Please amend that Lawyer.F (talk) 16:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Except you changed the name to "İrevan", not "Erivan" - please remember this is the English Wiki, we use English spellings. You also added the irredentist "South Azerbaijan" and attempted to hide the word "Iran/Persia" by replacing it with "Qajar state". The official language was Persian, not Azeri, and especially not the Latin Azeri alphabet that was created much later. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You clearly haven't read the links and rules I posted since you're still at it [4]. First off, the "general" bit is unsourced, and Azeris were not an ethnonym yet, just to name a few sources;

• "The third major nation in South Caucasia,19 the Azerbaijanis, hardly existed as an ethnic group, let alone a nation, before the twentieth century. The inhabitants of the territory now occupied by Azerbaijan defined themselves as Muslims, members of the Muslim umma; or as Turks, members of a language group spread over a vast area of Central Asia; or as Persians (the founder of Azerbaijani literature, Mirza Fath’ Ali Akhundzadä, described himself as ‘almost Persian’). ‘Azerbaijani identity remained fluid and hybrid’ comments R. G. Suny (1999–2000: 160). As late as 1900, the Azerbaijanis remained divided into six tribal groups – the Airumy, Karapapakh, Pavlari, Shakhsereny, Karadagtsy and Afshavy. The key period of the formation of the Azerbaijani nation lies between the 1905 revolution and the establishment of the independent People’s Republic of Azerbaijan in 1918 (Altstadt, 1992: 95)." -- Ben Fowkes (2002). Ethnicity and Conflict in the Post-Communist World. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 14
• "Azerbaijani national identity emerged in post-Persian Russian-ruled East Caucasia at the end of the nineteenth century, and was finally forged during the early Soviet period." -- Gasimov, Zaur (2022). "Observing Iran from Baku: Iranian Studies in Soviet and Post-Soviet Azerbaijan". Iranian Studies. 55 (1): page 37
• "In fact, the change in defining national identity in Azerbaijan was a result of a combination of developments in the 1930s in Turkey, Iran, Germany, and the Soviet Union. The article concludes that these developments left Soviet rulers no choice but to construct an independent Azerbaijani identity." -- Harun Yilmaz (2013). "The Soviet Union and the Construction of Azerbaijani National Identity in the 1930s". Iranian Studies. 46 (4). p. 511
• "The ethno-genesis of the Azerbaijani nation can thus be traced, in a formal, bureaucratic manner at least, to the late 1930s. Hardly unique in the history of the Soviet or other states, the Azerbaijani case demonstrates the logic of Stalinist national-state construction, whereby the formation of a Soviet republic named Azerbaijan required the existence of an Azerbaijani nation to inhabit it." p. 229, Monuments and Identities in the Caucasus Karabagh, Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan in Contemporary Geopolitical Conflict, Brill

HistoryofIran (talk) 16:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

there are were official languages of Qajar state or Qajar iran (after Mozaffaraddin that name of the state in some official documents was changed from Memleketi mekhsusi Qajar to Memeleketi Mekhsusi Iran), not one. So, we have to consider both languages. Are not we? Lawyer.F (talk) 16:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Does that mean that you are agree to change yerevan into Erivan, as it was during the Qajars? Lawyer.F (talk) 16:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please read [5] - and the official name was Guarded Domains of Iran (fully sourced article) and similar variants. I don't mind Erivan, and can you please address/reply to my other comments too? HistoryofIran (talk) 16:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Concerning the ethnic group, the name of ethnic group up today is turkish)) "Azerbaijanis" mostly the name of nation and name of the people who live in the toponym (territory) of Azerbaijan rather than the name of ethnic group. Nationality is about citizenthip, not ethnic belonging. And I don't mentioned ehtnic group when added the category. Lawyer.F (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

That makes no sense, because Azerbaijan first emerged in 1918, and you're adding it to pre-1918 figures. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You mean emerged like politonym, but not the name of the people. Because, even within Russian Empire the name of some political parties had the word 'Azerbaijani', established in early 1900s. You can check it. If you mean the peoples who called themthelf Azerbaijanians, we can also find the documents from 1813, the period of Abbas mirza ruling. However, in 1813 that encompass all ethic groups, like in 1911. therefore, it is clear when we can consider the word 'Azerbaijanis' like the name of nation, not ethnic group Lawyer.F (talk) 17:13, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

More unsourced claims, I've already posted sources about this, here are some more;

• "Until the late 19th and early 20th century it would be unthinkable to refer to the Muslim inhabitants of the Caucasus as Azaris (Azeris) or Azerbaijanis, since the people and the geographical region that bore these names were located to the south of the Araxes River. Therefore, the Iranian intelligentsia raised eyebrows once the independent Republic of Azerbaijan was declared in 1918 just across the Iranian border. - pp. 176-177, Avetikian, Gevorg. "Pān-torkism va Irān [Pan-Turkism and Iran]", Iran and the Caucasus 14, 1 (2010), Brill
• "In the case of the third major ethnic group of South Caucasus, the Azerbaijanis, the path towards nationhood was strewn with obstacles. First, there was uncertainty about Azerbaijani ethnic identity, which was a result of the influence of Azerbaijan’s many and varied pre-Russian conquerors, starting with the Arabs in the mid-seventh century and continuing with the Saljuq Turks, the Mongols, the Ottoman Turks and the Iranians. Hence the relatively small local intelligentsia wavered between Iranian, Ottoman, Islamic, and pan-Turkic orientations. Only a minority supported a specifically Azerbaijani identity, as advocated most prominently by Färidun bäy Köchärli." -- idem, p. 68
• "Azerbaijan first tried to create a national identity in 1918 at the time of the formation of the first Azerbaijan republic. Because of linguistic factors and despite its deep and long connection with Iran, Azerbaijan constructed its identity on the basis of Turkism and even pan-Turkism." Eldar Mamedov (2017). The New Geopolitics of the South Caucasus: Prospects for Regional Cooperation and Conflict Resolution: Azerbaijan Twenty-Five Years after Independence: Accomplishments and Shortcomings. Edited by Shireen Hunter. Lexington Books. p. 29

HistoryofIran (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

all your likes about the concious of the people like ethnic group. Politonym, tolonym and the name of the ethics are totally different. take a look: 'Muslim inhabitants of the Caucasus'. it is aboput the people and how they indentify themselfs. "In the case of the third major ethnic group of South Caucasus" actually uptoday. It is the first nation of caucasus, not the third one. that proves the author's biasness. Moreover, it is still about the ethnic group. the last one: "Azerbaijan first tried to create a national identity in 1918" you see - 'the national indentity' it is not about ethnical group, but nationality and it is true. I have not stated that the national councious (that came from citizenship) emerged earlier. If you put the category of generals just the people with nationality of Azerbaijan, that wou;d fit to the first methodology I had described Lawyer.F (talk) 17:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

But than you write ' Azerbaijan first emerged in 1918' it is TOTALLY wrong perception. the toponym of Azerbaijan was know much more earlier and even like the official name of the region. Take a look at the articles of Turkmenchay treaty. or hit the documents of Abbas mirza who was the governor of Azerbaijan, or you can look at Seljuc documents where they appointed the governors of Azerbaijan. Like the name of the state we can see "Azerbaijan" in the name of the Atabegs of Azerbaijan. that üas the official legal name of the state Lawyer.F (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You're still making unsourced claims that contradict what WP:RS says.

• "Let us conclude with an important point. The pre-1918 maps indicate various names of regions or states north of the river Araxes, such as “Albania” or “Arran”. No map knows of “Azerbaijan” north of the Araxes. This name was applied for centuries to the northern province of Iran, originally called Atropatene, around Tabriz, i.e. south of the Araxes. The Encyclopaedia of Islam published in 1913 leaves no room for doubt: “Nowadays, under ‘Adharbaydjan’ is understood the north-western province of Persia”. The name “Azerbaijan”, which the present-day republic adopted in 1918, is, therefore, a result of later socio-political developments.In the 1930s, this name was adopted by the Soviet authorities: it suited Stalin who considered expansion to Iran" - p. 42, Monuments and Identities in the Caucasus Karabagh, Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan in Contemporary Geopolitical Conflict, Brill
• "The name Azarbaijan is a pre-Islamic Persian name for a pre-Islamic province south of the River Aras. “Azarbaijan” was not used in any definite or clear manner for the area north of the River Aras in the pre- modern period. In some instances, the name Azarbaijan was used in a manner that included the Aran region immediately to the north of the River Aras, but this was rather an exception. The adoption of this name for the area north of the River Aras was by the nationalist, Baku-based Mosavat government (1918–20) and was later retained by the Soviet Union." p. 16 - Behrooz, Maziar (2023). Iran at War: Interactions with the Modern World and the Struggle with Imperial Russia. I.B. Tauris
• "In fact, in medieval times the name ‘Azerbaijan’ was applied not to the area of present independent Azerbaijan but to the lands to the south of the Araxes river, now part of Iran. The lands to the north west of the Araxes were known as Albania; the lands to the north east, the heart of present-day post-Soviet Azerbaijan, were known as Sharvan (or Shirwan) and Derbend." p. 30, Fowkes, B. (2002). Ethnicity and Ethnic Conflict in the Post-Communist World. Springer.
• "The adoption of the name “Azerbaijan” in 1918 by the Mussavatist government for classical Caucasian Albania (Arrān and Sharvān) was due to political reasons28. For example, the giant orientalist of the early 20th century, Vasily Barthold has stated: “… whenever it is necessary to choose a name that will encompass all regions of the republic of Azerbaijan, the name Arrān can be chosen. But the term Azerbaijan was chosen because when the Azerbaijan republic was created, it was assumed that this and the Persian Azerbaijan will be one entity, because the population of both has a big similarity. On this basis, the word Azerbaijan was chosen. Of course right now when the word Azerbaijan is used, it has two meanings as Persian Azerbaijan and as a republic, it’s confusing and a question rises as to which Azerbaijan is being talked about”. In the post-Islamic sense, Arrān and Sharvān are often distinguished while in the pre-Islamic era, Arrān or the Western Caucasian Albania roughly corresponds to the modern territory of republic of Azerbaijan. In the Soviet era, in a breathtaking manipulation, historical Azerbaijan (NW Iran) was reinterpreted as “South Azerbaijan” in order for the Soviets to lay territorial claim on historical Azerbaijan proper which is located in modern Northwestern Iran". p. 10, Lornejad, Siavash; Doostzadeh, Ali (2012). Arakelova, Victoria; Asatrian, Garnik (eds.). On the modern politicization of the Persian poet Nezami Ganjavi (PDF). Caucasian Centre for Iranian Studies.
• "The case of Azerbaijan is interesting in several aspects. The geographical name “Azerbaijan” for the territory where the Republic of Azerbaijan is now situated, as well as the ethnic name for the Caucasian Turks, “Azerbaijani,” were coined in the beginning of the 10th century. The name Azerbaijan, which implies the lands located north of the Aras River, is a duplicate of the historical region of Azerbaijan (it is the arabized version of the name of a historical region of Atropatena) which is the north-western region of Iran. After the proclamation of the first Republic of Azerbaijan in 1918, the Turkish army invaded the Caucasus, and the name “Azerbaijan” was offered by a young Turkish regime to the Turkish-speaking territory" p. 253, After the Soviet Empire. Leiden, The Netherlands: Brill, 05 Oct. 2015.
• "The Ottoman Turks coveted Iran’s province of Azerbaijan. Therefore following the Bolshevik revolution, in 1918 installed a pro-Turkish government in Baku and named it after the Iranian province of Azerbaijan" - p. xvii, The New Geopolitics of the South Caucasus: Prospects for Regional Cooperation and Conflict Resolution (Contemporary Central Asia: Societies, Politics, and Cultures), Lexington Books, Shireen Hunter
• "Until 1918, when the Musavat regime decided to name the newly independent state Azerbaijan, this designation had been used exclusively to identify the Iranian province of Azerbaijan." - p. 60, Dekmejian, R. Hrair; Simonian, Hovann H. (2003). Troubled Waters: The Geopolitics of the Caspian Region. I.B. Tauris.
• "The region to the north of the river Araxes was not called Azerbaijan prior to 1918, unlike the region in northwestern Iran that has been called since so long ago." p. 356, Rezvani, Babak (2014). Ethno-territorial conflict and coexistence in the caucasus, Central Asia and Fereydan: academisch proefschrift. Amsterdam: Amsterdam University Press
• "The name Azerbaijan was also adopted for Arrān, historically an Iranian region, by anti-Russian separatist forces of the area when, on 26 May 1918, they declared its independence and called it the Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan. To allay Iranian concerns, the Azerbaijan government used the term “Caucasian Azerbaijan” in the documents for circulation abroad." - Multiple Authors, Encyclopaedia Iranica
• "Originally the term Azerbaijan was the name of the Iranian historical province Adarbaigan, or Azarbaijan (from older Aturpatakan) in the north-west of the country. This term, as well as its respective derivative, Azari (or, in Turkish manner, Azeri), as “ethnonym”, was not applied to the territory north of Arax (i.e. the area of the present-day Azerbaijan Republic, former Arran and Shirvan) and its inhabitants up until the establishment of the Musavat regime in that territory (1918-1920)." - p. 85, note 1, Morozova, I. (2005). Contemporary Azerbaijani Historiography on the Problem of "Southern Azerbaijan" after World War II, Iran and the Caucasus, 9(1)
• "Until the late 19th and early 20th century it would be unthinkable to refer to the Muslim inhabitants of the Caucasus as Azaris (Azeris) or Azerbaijanis, since the people and the geographical region that bore these names were located to the south of the Araxes River. Therefore, the Iranian intelligentsia raised eyebrows once the independent Republic of Azerbaijan was declared in 1918 just across the Iranian border. - pp. 176-177, Avetikian, Gevorg. "Pān-torkism va Irān [Pan-Turkism and Iran]", Iran and the Caucasus 14, 1 (2010), Brill

HistoryofIran (talk) 17:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

"The name Azarbaijan is a pre-Islamic Persian name for a pre-Islamic province south of the River Aras" ))) why you nemtioned that? we don't discuss pre-islamic period Lawyer.F (talk) 17:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• mentioned

Lawyer.F (talk) 17:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

That means the name dates from the pre-Islamic period... and out of every single citation that was your conclusion??? Did you read the rest of it? HistoryofIran (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

"The adoption of this name for the area north of the River Aras was by the nationalist, Baku-based Mosavat government" it is illegal)) contradict with international treatments. Just lets skip such anti-scientific statement Lawyer.F (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Concerning the categories, we can choose of of the methods: 1) to collect there just the persons who gained general titile in the Republic of Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani SSR and Azerbaijan People's Republic (1918-1920). 2) to collect all the generals who originated from the toponym of Azerbaijan, nevertheless the ethnic belonging. The last one is more attractive. Lawyer.F (talk) 16:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

No, the last one is not more attractive. We're not going to add "Azerbaijani general" pre-1918. The toponym is the name of a historic region home to many ethnicities since the Late Antiquity, nothing to do with ethnicity. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't mind that the toponym is the name of a historic region home to many ethnicities. I cannot say that all generals of the Republic of Azerbaijan are ethnically turks. NO. moreover, the vast majority of them are kurds, if we go deeper. Lawyer.F (talk) 17:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't change the fact that it's inaccurate to add it to pre-1918 figures. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)