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I only write on an important technicality. You advise Meghan's children as Princess and Prince of Sussex. Being British you grow up with RF information and understand you do not refer to a Princes (Prince Harry) in the terms of their County of which he holds a further Royal Title of Duke of Sussex. It must be understood Meghan only has a title through her husband. Although H&Ms children are none heritage titles,meaning they cannot pass their Prince/Princess titles to their own children, importantly they are ONLY must be known as 'Prince Archie' and 'Princess Lilibet', not of Sussex as you are currently showing.Under Royal rules,by putting 'of Sussex' after Meghan's children's titles you are implying the County of Sussex is giving the children their Royal Titles. The children's titles are inherited from their father Prince Harry. As King Charles' second son as the current ruling Monarch, and as such are British (UK) national titles. A County cannot have Prince and Princess, therefore like Princess Eugeny and her sister they can ONLY be known correctly as 'Prince Archie' and 'Princess Lilbett' and you must remove 'of Sussex'reference. |
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British Royal Titles are very complex but having been employed for many years by the Royal family, I thought ut only right to advise you of this so you can correct this as it stands it does not make sense. If you need further information please say. Dr S. Selwyn. [[User:Drsselwyn|Drsselwyn]] ([[User talk:Drsselwyn|talk]]) 21:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:They are officially "Prince Archie of Sussex and Princess Lilibet of Sussex". See [https://www.royal.uk/prince-archie-of-sussex] and [https://www.royal.uk/sussex]. [[User:Celia Homeford|Celia Homeford]] ([[User talk:Celia Homeford|talk]]) 08:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:In our British prince article, it is said the the current king was known at birth as, Prince Charles of Edinburgh, so it appears that the "of Sussex", refers to the father, not the county, as in the old custom, Harry would also be known as just, "Sussex". -- [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 13:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:titles. [[Special:Contributions/71.7.195.204|71.7.195.204]] ([[User talk:71.7.195.204|talk]]) 12:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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A discussion is going on at the Commons concerning the copyright status of several coats of arms that are in use on pages related to British royalty. Please feel free to share your comments and input at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Coat of arms of Queen Camilla.svg. Thanks. Keivan.fTalk 18:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
New Royal Title
Can someone update the biography for Meghan's new royal title, Her Royal Highness, Princess of Arochukwu, an ancient kingdom of Nigeria. Purplebrown43 (talk) 17:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- They are not likely to update the title itself, since it is not official. They could write about the trip or write about her Nigerian fans and what popular title they may make for her but would need several solid sources. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/13/africa/meghan-nigeria-tour-int-latam
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13411201/amp/Meghan-Markle-Nigerias-new-princess.html
- among the titles listed in the news sources, you can see the word « omu » on the sash she was presented with. This is significant
- https://theafricanroyalfamilies.com/2023/08/04/the-omu-of-nigeria-tradition/ Phalangela (talk) 07:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only the CNN news story counts as a Wikipedia:Reliable source, and CNN doesn't mention this supposed title. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
@Celia Homeford: I found this article by Premium Times that gives a detailed account of her visit. It mentions suggested Nigerian names for the Duchess, but I don't see anything about being bestowed a chieftancy's title. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Here's an article, [2] apart from some interesting digs at the Daily Mail, it explains that she was bestowed the title "Ada Mazi", which translates as 'daughter of aristocrat', in a "naming ceremony" in which three chief's participated. Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- So the title apparently is Ada Mazi (trans. "daughter of an aristocrat"), Omu of Arochukwu if we were to accept Daily Mirror as a source. And the person who bestowed it upon her was Eberechukwu Oji (Eze Aro of Arochukwu), in the presence of Alfred Achebe (Obi of Onitsha) and Ogiame Atuwatse III (Olu of Warri) (p.s. Oba Abdulrosheed Akanbi (Oluwo of Iwo) apparently gave her some gifts per this source but was not there for the conferring of title I guess). If the community agrees on the reliability of sources and its relevance, it can be added under the "titles and styles" section, but it should also be noted that titles of this nature are not among the national honours of the Federal Republic of Nigeria but more likely bestowed by the local chieftaincy system. Keivan.fTalk 20:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ada Mazi means “the daughter of the Igbo ancestral palace”. Unless you don’t consider Nigerian Kings to be Kings? 142.197.97.26 (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. But we'll go with what the sources say and none of them have included the translation you are suggesting here. Keivan.fTalk 21:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Keivan.f: I am all for adding the Nigerian traditional title/honours so long as we feel the source is credible. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. But we'll go with what the sources say and none of them have included the translation you are suggesting here. Keivan.fTalk 21:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ada Mazi means “the daughter of the Igbo ancestral palace”. Unless you don’t consider Nigerian Kings to be Kings? 142.197.97.26 (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support @Keivan.f: I found a more credible source. This article by CNN states "The Obi of Onitsha, His Majesty Igwe Nnaemeka Alfred Ugochukwu Achebe christened Meghan “Ada Mazi,” which means “the daughter of the Igbo ancestral palace". While, the Oluwo of Iwoland, southwest, Nigeria, Oba Abdulrasheed Adewale Akanbi christened her with the Yoruba name of “Adetokunbo” which means “royalty from across the seas." -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Willthacheerleader18: That's a much better source. And this is not the first time a member of a European royal house has been given titles by foreigners (ex. List of titles and honours of Charles III#Other/Unofficial). We can add this under the "titles and styles" section now. Keivan.fTalk 03:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Add her new title
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There are literal physical evidence in her title ceremony. 142.197.97.26 (talk) 23:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @142.197.97.26: What title are you referring to? I'm assuming you're not talking about Duchess of Sussex, Countess of Dumbarton, or Baroness Kilkeel. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 23:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Omu, Ada Mazi of the Ancient Arochukwu Kingdom Phalangela (talk) 07:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Change name to Omu Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex, Ada Mazi of the Ancient Arochukwu Kingdom 71.163.33.232 (talk) 06:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- See the talk page sections above this one. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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