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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle (talk) 09:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UHO MZF F.C.

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Coverage and sourcing is just They exist" and champions of two cups of some type. North8000 (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Football, and Indonesia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The combined sources already in the article, and including the additional source in the Bahasa article, are exactly the sort of GNG-passing coverage I would expect of a lower division football team. SportingFlyer T·C 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like saying that it can't meet the actual GNG (and so IMO is not wp:notable) and so we need a different GNG to make sure that non-notable lower division football teams get in. North8000 (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not happy at the way you've completely mis-represented my keep !vote. The article easily passes GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer: I posted in a way that highlighted what I felt to be issues with your argument. In hindsight, viewing it from another angle, such is a "spun negative" description of your post. I did not intend to do something like that. Please accept my apologies for that. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 16:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per SF. Giant Snowman 16:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources in the article only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. These are not match reports, but rather articles about how the team won the championship, failed in the round of 16, et cetera, and football club notability is not based on whether they're important regionally, internationally, et cetera. They are also covered on an ongoing basis by the newspaper in their local area including sources not currently linked in the article, such as [1]: this is about the competition but the club is clearly the subject of the article. SportingFlyer T·C 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a routine coverage. According to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of reference in the article provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 ::That's not true. These are not match reports, but rather articles about how the team won the championship, failed in the round of 16, et cetera, and football club notability is not based on whether they're important regionally, internationally, et cetera. They are also covered on an ongoing basis by the newspaper in their local area including sources not currently linked in the article, such as [https://nawalamedia.id/babak-32-besar-liga-3-uho-mzf-kendari-satu-group-dengan-juara-piala-indonesia-2012/]: this is about the competition but the club is clearly the subject of the article. [[User:SportingFlyer|SportingFlyer]] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">[[User talk:SportingFlyer|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer|C]]</span>'' 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 ::: That is a routine coverage. According to [[WP:SPORTCRIT]]; {{tq|Local sources must be [[WP:INDEPENDENT|independent]] of the subject, and '''must provide reports beyond [[WP:ROUTINE|routine game coverage]]'''}}. None of reference in the article provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. [[User:Ckfasdf|Ckfasdf]] ([[User talk:Ckfasdf|talk]]) 02:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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