Talk:Thomas Niedermayer

Article lede issues

At present the lede of the article's first sentence merely says that Mr Niedermayer was only "kidnapped" by the IRA and only adds that he "died in their custody" in a subsequent sentence, this is clear obfuscation in order to minimise the IRA's culpability. The assault on Niedermayer with a blunt instrument was no mere accident, while it is not clear whether or not his death was specifically murder, the assault he suffered which caused his death was certainly intentional; to say otherwise is a denial of the known facts.

Wikipedia does not use such language to describe other cases where a person was unlawfully killed by a detaining organization, whether it be a state or a violent non-state actor and whether the death was ultimately determined to be murder or manslaughter; they frankly state they were killed by the forces holding them. 92.30.2.106 (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

You don't get to relitigate a criminal trial based on your own opinion of the events. You may also benefit in reading manslaughter. Kathleen's bike (talk) 13:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Nice way of avoiding the issues I raised. 92.30.6.163 (talk) 21:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

That's because I couldn't care less what you say, only what reliable sources say. Kathleen's bike (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be unable to actually understand what words mean. Reliable sources say Mr Niedermayer was killed, you appear not to understand the meaning of the word "killed" or the definitions of "murder", "manslaughter", or "homicide", in which case you probably should not be editing Wikipedia. 92.30.6.163 (talk) 00:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Further reading: homicide

Homicide is an act in which a human causes the death of another human. A homicide requires only a volitional act or an omission that causes the death of another, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.

The disambiguation page killing defines homicide as "one human killing another" and list of types of killing defines manslaughter as "murder with mitigating circumstances". 92.30.6.163 (talk) 00:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)