Talk:2024 Bolivian coup attempt

Requested move 26 June 2024

2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt → 2024 Bolivian coup attempt – As per most articles in Category:Attempted coups d'état in South America, including 1984 Bolivian coup attempt (see also Category:Attempted coups d'état in Europe (11 "coup attempt" occurences, but no "coup d'état attempt") and Category:Attempted coups in Haiti, for instance). Coup is a synonym of coup d'état, and as per WP:TITLECON we should be "consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles". The pattern is clear. RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support - for reasons stated above. Kire1975 (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose coup d'état (stroke of state) is the correct term, not just coup (stroke). Scu ba (talk) 21:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Why exactly do most pages in Category:Attempted coups d'état in Europe have "coup attempt" (11 occurences) but no "coup d'état attempt" in their names? RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Just because other articles are wrong doesn't mean we have to make this article have the wrong title. Scu ba (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hors d'oeuvre (out of work) is the correct term (in French). No reason to stop using it to mean appetizer in English. Kire1975 (talk) 22:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

A word means whatever the speakers of a given language have decided it means. And in English, speakers have decided that "coup" on its own is a valid term for the violent overthrow of a government. A word is not made unalterable by being loaned from one language to another, and the rules of French do not necessarily carry over into English when we loan words from there. In short: See etymological fallacy. 188.176.174.30 (talk) 01:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for same reason as Scu ba Benpiano800 (talk) 21:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Benpiano800, see comment above. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per what looks to be a precedent. "Coup d'état" is the French phrase that was loaned into English, but both languages work differently and "coup" is now very much an acceptable shortening in English. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support - It makes the page easier to look for, as "Coup d'état" is a far less used word as "coup". Loulougroslouis (talk) 22:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. I wanted to wait a bit more to see how the situation would develop but with troops and armored vehicles pulling back, it is unlikely to be more than an attempt. Yvan Part (talk) 22:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support This space (coup-related articles) could definitely benefit from some standardization and it may necessitate a larger discussion, but I support this move for clarity, and to more closely match the language most people would associate with this event. SSR07 (talk) 22:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support, why is this even a question? See the rest of the coup articles. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 22:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. Our failed coups also go along this line. Borgenland (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. I started an article at the proposed title a few minutes after one was created here. The naming convention as of late has been to just use "coup" since it is an acceptable English word and more WP:CONCISE. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per WP:COMMONNAME and RS coverage. CNC (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per WP:TITLECON. Altorespite 🌿 00:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom, SSR07, and Patar knight. "Coup" is concise without being less precise, and it's what most readers will expect given how we have named articles so far. 188.176.174.30 (talk) 01:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. Yeoutie (talk) 01:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 26 June 2024

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt → 2024 Bolivian coup – change article name to 2024 Bolivian coup because an armoured vehicle was seen breaking open the doors to Bolivia's Palacio Quemado 21:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Coup or political crisis?

Is it too early to call this a coup attempt? Looking at similar events when a government not favorable from the perspective of the US foreign policy is being toppled (or there is attempt to do so), including the previous one also in Bolivia, articles about these are usually do not have "coup" in their titles. So perhaps this one should also have a more appropriate title, more in line with the usual article naming. 176.62.44.123 (talk) 21:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

When armored vehicles get inside the presidential palace, it's a bit too late to call it a "political crisis". Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

That + all sources are calling it a coup Genabab (talk) 22:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the military, not a group of protesters. It is a coup, not a political crisis. Scu ba (talk) 21:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

If the sources call it a coup, then it is a coup. None of us are sources. It doesn't make a difference what we think it is, or what we think constitutes a coup. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Reactions section

Articles like this always get a "reactions" section that's nothing more than an indiscriminate list of people or governments who have mentioned it, which eventually has to be removed. Can we avoid that by limiting it to the reactions of people directly relevant to the situation? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)