User talk:Salt12352

July 2024

Before adding a category to an article, as you did to System Shock, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. The category being added must already exist, and must be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. Thank you. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 10:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Please note that categorisation is for Wikipedia's purposes. If a video game is listed under the category of horror, it should be mentioned in the article body somewhere. Please provide reliable sources first and then add the category. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 10:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

It does belong, you are the one who doesn't understand what horror means and you think you can confuse me by citing Wikipedia guidelines and demanding citations when none of the other categories have required them. Genres and categories do not require citations. There are also plenty of video games categorized as horror on Wikipedia that doesn't mention that they're horror games anywhere in the article just like some games in the "immersive sims" category.

Define "horror" objectively without using subjective anecdotes such as "I didn't think it was scary or disturbing" if you're so sure of yourself or state your reasons for why you don't think System Shock or BioShock are horror games.

FYI, I did provide a "reliable source" by citing Nightdive's own page for the System Shock remake that categorizes it as a horror game, but you already saw that. Salt12352 (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

You are definitely taking the wrong tone with "you are the one who doesn't understand what horror means". Please be civil. You have 15 edits to your name and have been here a little over two weeks. Read WP:CATDEF please. Do not add categories because you think it belongs there. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 11:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Here are my "citations":

https://web.archive.org/web/19970330142937/http://www.origin.ea.com/english/prod-info/pc-cd/classics/system-shock/index.html (this is Origin's page, the publisher of the original game)

https://www.eurogamer.net/nightdives-acclaimed-system-shock-remake-headinf-to-consoles-in-may

https://screenrant.com/system-shock-remake-consoles-story-gameplay-release-date/

https://bloody-disgusting.com/video-games/3803636/nightdives-system-shock-remake-will-finally-hit-playstation-and-xbox-consoles-on-may-21-trailer/

https://www.pcgamer.com/see-system-shock-in-glorious-720p/

https://www.nightdivestudios.com/portfolio/system-shock/

Most of these articles are regarding the remake, but every single one of these refers to the 1994 release as a sci-fi horror game and as for Nightdive's page, if you want to be technical about it, it's about the remake, but they mention how they want to keep the game true to the classic experience and it is pretty much a 1:1 remake. Origin's own product page isn't as literal about it, but the description speaks for itself.

Here's the fandom page for the game that also has it listed as a horror game: https://shodan.fandom.com/wiki/System_Shock

And here are the store pages for both the original and the remake that also categorizes them both as horror games:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/482400/System_Shock/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/410710/System_Shock_Enhanced_Edition/

https://www.gog.com/en/game/system_shock_enhanced_edition (only store page that doesn't have the horror tag, but the remake does)

https://www.gog.com/en/game/system_shock

This Looking Glass page describes it as just a "science fiction adventure", but where's the action part? According to your logic, this means that it's no longer an action game because the "official source" doesn't mention it: https://web.archive.org/web/19980209140515/http://www.lglass.com/c_info/dark_pr.html

I guess this means we should remove it from the action-adventure category, right?

Btw, Looking Glass describes Thief as an RPG numerous times on various of their pages, but on its official product page it's categorized as an action-adventure where SS is referred to as an RPG as well despite having literally zero RPG elements: https://web.archive.org/web/19980209132458/http://www.lglass.com/p_info/dark/index.html

That good enough for you? Or do you want to drag an admin into this? Salt12352 (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The use of "Sci Fi horror" in most of those sources is referring to the narrative genre, but not the gameplay genre which is what we use as genre when talking about video games. System Shock and Bioshock have very little elements of what are considered horror games as a game genre. That they have aspects if the horror narrative is absolutely true but that's not what we consider for video games. — Masem (t) 17:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)