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Confirmed tracks |
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# Better |
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# Catcher in the Rye |
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# Chinese Democracy |
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# I.R.S. |
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# If the World |
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|'''Title''' |
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# Madagascar |
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|'''Source / Year''' |
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# Prostitute |
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|'''Demo''' |
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# Sorry |
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|'''Played Live''' |
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# The Blues |
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# T.W.A.T. (There Was a Time) |
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|"Better" |
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|Axl Rose / 2006 |
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|Yes |
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|Yes |
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# Ides of March |
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# Leave Me Alone |
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|"Catcher in the Rye" |
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# Oklahoma |
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|[[Richard Fortus]] / 2006 |
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# Seven |
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|Yes |
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# The General |
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|No |
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# This I Love |
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# Thyme |
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|"Chinese Democracy" |
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|Axl Rose / 1999 |
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|Yes |
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|Yes |
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|"I.R.S." |
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|Axl Rose / 2006 |
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|Yes |
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|Yes |
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|"If the World" |
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|Set List Picture / 2006 |
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|No |
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|No |
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|"[[Madagascar (song)|Madagascar]]" |
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|Press Release / 2006 |
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|Yes |
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|Yes |
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|"Prostitute" |
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|Set List Picture / 2006 |
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|No |
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|No |
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|"Sorry" |
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|[[Sebastian Bach]] / 2006 |
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|No |
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|No |
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|"[[The Blues (Guns N' Roses song)|The Blues]]" |
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|Axl Rose / 2006 |
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|No |
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|Yes |
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|"There Was a Time (T.W.A.T.)" |
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|Axl Rose / 2006 |
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|Yes |
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|Yes |
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| colspan="4" align="center" | ''' Confirmed as not being on ''Chinese Democracy'' ''' |
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|'''Title''' |
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|'''Source / Year''' |
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|'''Demo''' |
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|'''Played Live''' |
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|"Rhiad and the Bedouins" |
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|[[Dizzy Reed]] / 2005 |
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|No |
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|Yes |
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|"[[Oh My God (Guns N' Roses song)|Oh My God]]" |
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|Guns N' Roses / 1999 |
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|No |
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|Yes |
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|"Silkworms" |
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|[[Dizzy Reed]] /2005 |
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|No |
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|Yes |
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| colspan="4" align="center" | ''' Confirmed titles from ''Chinese Democracy'' sessions ''' |
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|'''Title''' |
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| colspan="3" | '''Source / Year''' |
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|"Ides of March" |
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| colspan="3" | [[Dave Dominguez]] / 2005 |
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|"Leave Me Alone" |
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| colspan="3" | [[Marco Beltrami]] / 2002 |
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|"Oklahoma" |
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| colspan="3" | Axl Rose / 2000 |
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|"Seven" |
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| colspan="3" | Marco Beltrami / 2002 |
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|"The General" |
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| colspan="3" | Marco Beltrami / 2002 |
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|"This I Love" |
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| colspan="3" | [[Dave Dominguez]] / 2005 |
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|"Thyme" |
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| colspan="3" | Marco Beltrami / 2002 |
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| colspan="4" align="center" | ''' Rumored titles from ''Chinese Democracy'' sessions ''' |
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|'''Title''' |
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| colspan="3" | '''Source / Year''' |
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|"Atlas Shrugged" |
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| colspan="3" | Sp1at / 2005 |
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|"Broken" |
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| colspan="3" | Internet Source / [[Frank Ferrer]] / 2006 |
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|"Checkmate" |
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| colspan="3" | Internet Source / 2006 |
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|"Cock-a-roach Soup" |
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| colspan="3" | ''[[Kerrang!]]'' / 1999 |
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|"Closing in on You" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Kerrang!'' / 1999 |
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|"Friend or Foe" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Kerrang!'' / 1999 |
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|"Hearts Get Killed" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Kerrang!'' / 1999 |
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|"Never Had It" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Classic Rock Magazine'' / 2002 |
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|"No Love Remains" |
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| colspan="3" | Kerrang! / 1999 |
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|"Quick Song" |
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| colspan="3" | Sp1at / 2005 |
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|"Something Always" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Kerrang!''! / 1999 |
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|"Strange Disease" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Kerrang!''! / 1999 |
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|"Suckerpunched" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Kerrang!''! / 1999 |
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|"This Life" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Classic Rock Magazine'' / 2002 |
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|"Today, Tomorrow, Forever" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Classic Rock Magazine'' / 2002 |
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|"Zip It" |
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| colspan="3" | ''Classic Rock Magazine'' / 2002 |
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|"Zodiac" |
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| colspan="3" | Sp1at / 2005 |
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Composer [[Marco Beltrami]] worked on orchestral arrangements for "Thyme," "The General," "Leave Me Alone," and "Seven" in October 2002. Composer [[Paul Buckmaster]] worked on arrangements for "Madagascar," "The Blues," "There Was a Time," and "Prostitute." |
Composer [[Marco Beltrami]] worked on orchestral arrangements for "Thyme," "The General," "Leave Me Alone," and "Seven" in October 2002. Composer [[Paul Buckmaster]] worked on arrangements for "Madagascar," "The Blues," "There Was a Time," and "Prostitute." |
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Chinese Democracy is the name of the long-delayed album by the rock band Guns N' Roses. When released, it will be the band's first album of original studio material since the simultaneous releases of Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II in 1991.
Track Listing
Confirmed tracks
- Better
- Catcher in the Rye
- Chinese Democracy
- I.R.S.
- If the World
- Madagaskar
- Prostitute
- Sorry
- The Blues
- T.W.A.T. (There Was a Time)
Uncomfirmed tracks
- Ides of March
- Leave Me Alone
- Oklahoma
- Seven
- The General
- This I Love
- Thyme
Composer Marco Beltrami worked on orchestral arrangements for "Thyme," "The General," "Leave Me Alone," and "Seven" in October 2002. Composer Paul Buckmaster worked on arrangements for "Madagascar," "The Blues," "There Was a Time," and "Prostitute."
Rose said in a January 2006 interview with Rolling Stone that his favorite songs on the upcoming album are "Better," "There Was a Time," and "The Blues".[1]
Sound
In 1999, "Oh My God" was released on the End of Days soundtrack. It featured current Guns N' Roses members Rose, Dizzy Reed, Robin Finck, and Tommy Stinson, along with then-members rhythm guitarist Paul Tobias and drummer Josh Freese. Dave Navarro and Rose's guitar instructor Gary Sunshine also did guitar work on this industrial-sounding track. "Oh My God" isn't likely to feature on Chinese Democracy.
Former Guns N' Roses guitarist Slash is reported to have left the band in large part because of the change in musical direction, which at the time was reported to be industrial rock music similar to Nine Inch Nails, a style that Rose had long been a fan of. Replacing Slash was Buckethead, who also left the band in 2004.
The songs which the band performed during the 2001-2002 tour varied heavily in sound. "The Blues" and "Madagascar" were "November Rain"-esque epics, while "Rhiad and The Bedouins" has Led Zeppelin riffs and screams and "Silkworms" sounds similar to punk, but both are more influenced by the industrial sound, with synths, drum beats and loops. Dizzy Reed has stated that these two tracks will not be on Chinese Democracy.[2] Rose said in an interview during the 2002 Chinese Democracy Tour that the band had yet to bring out their "big guns" with regards to songs they had played from the album.
On January 13 2006, Rose spoke about the album at Korn's tour launch party:
- "It's a very complex record, I'm trying to do something different. Some of the arrangements are kind of like Queen. Some people are going to say, 'It doesn't sound like Axl Rose, it doesn't sound like Guns N' Roses.' But you'll like at least a few songs on there."[1]
In a Rolling Stone article in 2006, former Skid Row frontman and Gilmore Girls bit-player Sebastian Bach described the album as "mind-blowing" and added,
- "It’s a very cool album—it’s badass with killer screams, killer guitar riffs, but it’s got a totally modern sound. The word for it is ‘grand.’ It’s fucking epic. He’s reinvented himself yet again."[3]
Sebastian also explained about a new song called "Sorry":
- "There’s this one song called ‘Sorry’ that’s almost like doom metal with Axl singing really clean over this grinding, slow beat that is fucking mean, I cannot get it out of my head."[3]
Leaks
In September 2003, radio DJ Eddie Trunk played a new Guns N' Roses song titled "IRS" on his syndicated radio show Friday Night Rocks with Eddie Trunk. This was at the insistence of his in-studio guest Mike Piazza, who had apparently received a CD in the mail containing the track. Trunk described the song as
- "...Use Your Illusion-era stuff, with some modern flares to it. The song had a loop track in the beginning, but then, when it kicked in, it was that same dramatic Guns N' Roses hard rock."[citation needed]
The band's management issued a cease-and-desist order against Trunk, leading him to strip replays of his broadcast of both the song and references to it.
In April 2005, an excerpt of the song "IRS" leaked on the Internet. The band's management referred to it as a "low quality demo," but it was most likely a recording of Eddie Trunk's broadcast of the song from 2003. Eddie Trunk confirmed that "Better" and "Catcher in the Rye" were not on the CD he played "IRS" from in 2003.
In February 2006, full studio demos of the songs "Better", "Catcher in the Rye", "IRS", and "There Was a Time" leaked online. Brian May confirmed on his blog that he recorded guitar for the "Catcher in the Rye" demo in 1999.[4]
In addition, there were three additional, unique leaks during three different shows on Maxim Radio (Sirius Satellite Radio). The first leak was "Better" done by a caller on the Rich & Covino Show. The caller asked the personalities if they heard the song and then forced the song onto the radio. The next leak was of "Better" and "I.R.S." which was done by the Bower Show. The personalities mentioned getting the songs from a unique source stating no one else had or played the song "Better" yet on the radio. The final leak was of "Catcher in the Rye" during the Evan and Brian Show. This was the most unique of them all. A caller name "Tommy" called and when asked to give a prediction on the air, decided to just play "Catcher in the Rye" without saying anything.
On February 20, 2007, a new version of the song "Better" was leaked onto the Internet. The song was confirmed real by Dizzy Reed. However, he also said it is not the final studio version.[5]
On March 28, 2007, a 7 second clip of the album's title track, "Chinese Democracy", was leaked on a GN'R fan website. The clip was removed within a few minutes of its discovery by GN'R fans. However, the song is still in circulation on other GN'R fansites. The 7 second leak came after a 1 minute, 5 second long introduction for the song was leaked on the same website's main page. This introduction features underlying guitar parts with the voices of Chinese people before the song's main guitar riff is played one time towards the end of the introduction. The clips were leaked by the webmaster of of the website they originally appeared on.
The next day, March 29th, a full studio version of the song "Madagascar" leaked onto a GN'R fan website and is still in circulation. This track was acquired when a fan tricked the aforementioned webmaster, who had leaked parts of "Chinese Democracy" the previous day, into exchanging "Madagascar" for a non-existent demo of "Prostitute".
Production and Collaboration
Long time Guns N' Roses producer Mike Clink is reported to have worked on the album during its conception, as is Killing Joke member and Verve producer Youth. Songwriter and producer Moby turned down an offer to work on the album.
In 1997, Sean Beavan joined Rose in producing the album, which was at the time focused on industrial tracks. Beavan left the project in 1999, at which point former Queen producer Roy Thomas Baker was brought in to co-produce with Rose. Baker left the project in February 2002 after re-recording the album with intentions of producing a more epic sound. Rose then became sole producer of the project, allegedly re-recording the album yet again.
The band has also worked with numerous collaborators over the years, including guitarists Brian May and Dave Navarro. As mentioned above, Marco Beltrami and Paul Buckmaster worked on orchestral arrangements for the album.
NBA star Shaquille O'Neal rapped on a song with the band. He took a break from his own recording session and found Dizzy Reed and former member Josh Freese working in the same studio. Said O'Neal,
I saw Guns N' Roses listed on the bulletin board in the lobby of the studio so I stuck my head in to check it out. They asked me to join them, so I started freestylin' over their track. It was the first time I ever performed with a rock group, and it felt good.
The collaboration was recorded, but will reportedly not be included on Chinese Democracy.
Length
There has been some conflicting information about the length of the album. At London, Docklands UK in August 2002, in which Guns N' Roses played a set, Rose stated that the album was to contain eighteen songs with ten bonus tracks. Bassist Tommy Stinson said in a November 2004 interview that the album contained "ten or eleven" songs.
In December 2004, Guns N' Roses' manager Merck Mercuriadis became the CEO of Sanctuary Music Group. In January 2005, Rose signed a publishing deal with Sanctuary, which covered past and future work by Rose, including "dozens of new tracks Rose has recently recorded for Universal Music."
Current Status
According to a March 2005 New York Times article, production costs for the album have reached $13 million, making it probably the most expensive recording never released.[6] Mercuriadis, however, refuted the article in a letter and claimed that the newspaper's sources for the article had not been involved with the project for "six to nine years."[7]
Rose filed court papers on March 3 2006 to ask for "ownership of all creative works" by Guns N' Roses.[8] The band's manager Merck Mercuriadis stated, "This will not delay the new album—quite the opposite—tying up these loose ends allows us to get on with it."[citation needed]
A press release was issued on behalf of Rose on March 6 2006 in response to legal suits filed by former band members Duff McKagan and Slash. The press release lashed out at Slash:
- "In October of 2005 Slash made an unannounced 5:30 AM visit to Axl Rose’s house. Not appearing to be under the influence, Slash came to inform Axl of the Velvet Revolver band members: 'Duff was spineless,' 'Scott was a fraud,' that he 'hates Matt Sorum' and that in this ongoing war, contest or whatever anyone wants to call it that Slash has waged against Axl for the better part of 10 years, that Axl has proven himself 'the stronger.' Based on his conduct in showing up at Rose’s home, Axl was hopeful that Slash would live up to his pronouncements that he wanted to end the war and move on with life. Unfortunately that did not prove to be the case."[9]
Slash has since denied these claims in a radio interview.
On April 1, 2006, SPIN.com posted a tongue-in-cheek April Fools' Day review of Chinese Democracy by Chuck Klosterman.[10]
On May 5, 2006, Axl Rose appeared on Friday Night Rocks with Eddie Trunk, stating that Chinese Democracy would finally be released in fall 2006 with an accompanying North American tour. The band has recently finished playing a summer tour in Europe and have started a North American Tour to promote the album.
According to current guitarist, Bumblefoot, Buckethead's parts have not been re-recorded. However, in an open letter from Merck Mercuriadis he mentioned that "Bumblefoot and Frank had all made important contributions to the album that made it even stronger".[11]
A 2006 press release regarding Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy Tour stated,
- "As for Guns N' Roses forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, the only comment at this time is that there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year."
On October 5, 2006, a source close to Rolling Stone claimed that the album had a "firm release date of November 21, 2006."
In a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone, Guns N' Roses manager Mercuriadis once again stated that the album would be released on a Tuesday that year, as well as stating (perhaps sarcastically) that it would appear on record shelves without the announcement of a release date. In the same article, Sebastian Bach stated that Axl had played the album in full to poolside guests in his mansion after the September 23 concert.
On Harley-Davidson's website, a promotional video was set to the unreleased song "Better". As of October 21, 2006 "Better" was replaced with "Paradise City". "Better" has yet to be put back on the commercial, although a November press release by Harley-Davidson stated that the version with "Better" would debut in "early November." As of 2007, "Better" had yet to be reinstated as the music for the advertisement.[12]
On December 14, 2006, Rose released a letter to fans, stating that the band had, for the first time, set a tentative release date, of March 6, 2007. In this letter, he also indicated that the band had dissolved its relationship with manager Merck Mercuriadis.
According to the January 7, 2007 edition of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Rose was putting the final vocals down for Chinese Democracy, which he had been working on at the Palms recording studios.[13]
Since the new leak of "Better," Bumblefoot has stated that it is not the final studio version. In that same statement, he indicated that the album is being mixed and will be out "soon."
On February 22, 2007, Del James gave this statement on the the official website:
- "The good news is that all of the recording for the album has been completed. Drummer Frank Ferrer and guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal integrated themselves into the recordings seamlessly and will have their presence felt."[14]
Title Conflicts
On April 1, 2003 (April Fool's Day), The Offspring announced that they would be naming their upcoming album Chinese Democracy. The Offspring lead singer Dexter Holland elaborated, "You snooze, you lose. Axl ripped off my braids, I ripped off his album title."[15] However, the Offspring album was eventually released under the title Splinter instead.
In 2005 the finnish punk band The Dogshit Boys released an ep named "Chinese Democracy".
British goth band Nosferatu announced in early 2005 Chinese Democracy as the working title of their fifth studio album, but in October the same year, the band's website announced that the title had to be changed after a threat of legal action from Axl Rose's attorneys. The working title was then changed to The Long Lost Weekend, and it remains undecided which title the band will use.
References
- ^ a b Baltin, Steve (2006-01-17). "Axl Rose Breaks His Silence". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1152&Itemid=42 1
- ^ a b "Exclusive: More Juicy "Chinese Democracy" Tidbits". Rolling Stone. 2006-10-18. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ May, Brian (2006-03-02). "Catcher in the Rye, Chinese Democracy Leaks and Axl Rose". Brian's Soapbox. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ http://www.gnrdaily.com/news_detail.asp?id=565
- ^ Leeds, Jeff (2005-03-06). "The Most Expensive Album Never Made". The New York Times. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ "Guns N' Roses' Manager Manager Slams NY Times Over 'Rubbish' 'Chinese Democracy' Article". Blabbermouth.net. 2005-03-06. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ Grossberg, Josh (2006-03-07). "Axl Unloads on Ex-Gunners". Yahoo! Music. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
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- ^ Klosterman, Chuck (2006-04-01). "Guns N' Roses, Chinese Democracy". SPIN.com. Retrieved 2007-01-09.
- ^ "An Open Letter From Merck, From Merck Mercuriadis". gunsnroses.us. 2006-12-15. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ "Black Sheep". Harley-Davidson. Retrieved 2007-01-08.
- ^ http://ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/axl_rose_putting_final_touches_on_chinese_democracy.html
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- ^ D'Angelo, Joe (2003-04-01). "Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy Snatched By Offspring". MTV.com. Retrieved 2007-01-08.