Talk:Tinsley Viaduct

Moved /coordinates.

Infobox

I don't want to get involved in the discussion above, but would the article benefit from the use of Template:Infobox Bridge which may enable the display of some relevant numerical data?— Rod ^talk 12:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd be happy for the coordinates to be in an infobox, so long as the hCard mark-up is preserved, thereby labelling them for people using parsers. Andy Mabbett 13:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The infobox may be useful. The coordinates will not, as per the poll. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 13:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could point out where anyone in the poll has suggested that the coordinates would not be useful? Andy Mabbett 13:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Apparently not. Andy Mabbett 12:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Added infobox. What do people think?

Oh, and some good info here. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 18:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The new info box occupies 214,336 (272x788) pixels. The disputed 'features' box, which it was claimed, was "disruptive to the article", occupied far fewer: 121,923 (589x207). Still, at least the infobox has restored one of the hCard microformats. I note also that Jeremy's compromise suggestion of including the coordinates for the end points seems to have been ignored. Andy Mabbett 12:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you think it is detrimental to the article? It can be removed if so - I was just asking for opinions on it. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 12:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Any other comments on the infobox? I assume that for now, consensus is for it to remain. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 20:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I tend to like infoboxes in general so see it as a welcome addition. I like how they allow the reader to get a quick overview of a topic. Adambro 20:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I certainly disagreed with Pigsonthewing concerning coordinates but I do however agree with his comments concerning the infobox. It does afterall look a bit builky and a lot of the information it contains is already located in prose (completion and opening date may not need to feature in the infobox twice but rather in their own sentence explaining both events). Furthermore, I've noticed errors in the information it contains:

1. Supertram is not carried by the structure
2. The railway line below the viaduct is the Midland Main Line

Coordinates have been once more added, in the infobox, duplicating the ones situated top right. Locale features Tinsley, Wincobank and Sheffield, which poses a redundancy, again this can be explained further in prose, with sheffield remaining alone in the infobox. Vertical and below clearances seem identical, maybe merge and explain? I'm sure you guys can work to reduce the infobox' height by half to make it less imposing as it currently is higher than the article, references and external links. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I have tweaked it slightly as per the above, but someone with better local knowledge probably needs to do more work on. Regan123 22:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates revisited, again

Once again the format of the coordinates are being changed without any explanation as to why. Could I ask before further changes are made that this is discussed. What advantage does Captain scarlet feel {{coor title dms}} offers over {{coord}} to merit these changes? I note this same change has been made to a number of articles. Adambro 09:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Well Adambro... I haven't changed the formats of coordinates without explaination, I reverted them to their non Pigsonthewing format... Maybe you'd like to speak to you firriend and stop microformatting everything. The cordinates are only shown in the title, so the title coordinates' being used, that's what the template's for. Coordinates in title => title coords template, get it? You also fail to notice I am not arbitrarily replacing templates but correcting them (the bot is hopeless). Don't throw OWN at my face (that's patronising don't you know) but an actual knowledge of the subject of an article is good... There is also such a thing as editors' courtoisie, Jeremy likes the coord template (which he added on Millhouses); he's goot good knowledge of that area, superior to mine in fact and I'm happy to leave his hard work as it is. I'm off for the day so feel free to revert everything I do as you usually do misters. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 09:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

If you are not prepared to discuss this in a civil manner than I would question whether it is appropriate for you to be making these changes. Do not label my comments as "patronising talk" in your edit summary and then copy my comments for your use elsewhere to make a point.

Regarding your reply, I shall comment on some of the points you have raised:

1. Pigsonthewing is not my "firriend", rather he is another editor with whom I have agreed on some issues but also disagreed on others.
2. {{coord}} allows coordinates to be displayed in the title with the advantage of microformats.
3. I haven't mentioned WP:OWN.

Perhaps I misunderstood but maybe you could clarify for me that you are happy with Jeremy using {{coord}} but will remove it if added by Pigsonthewing? The presentation of coordinates has nothing to do with knowledge of an area so I don't understand your point. Adambro 10:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

What civility issues? You must have misreadme, again. I have made good faith edits and would warn you not to discourage me from editing (I would question whether it is appropriate for you to be making these changes.), very unwiki. Your comments are patronising, just as yours above are, and yours before that, and on the Commons, and everywhere you speak to me...

• Microformats have no advantages whatsoever and offer nothing beyond the present template.
• You've mentioned it now...
• You understand my point exactly so don't insult my intelligence. It's explained up there with all the spelling mistakes trimings I can make, read it again if you don't understand, I'm not a dictaphone. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 08:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

"Microformats have no advantages whatsoever..." - While that belief may explain some of your irrational edits, it has no foundation in reality. Andy Mabbett 09:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The words of someone (Pigsonthewing) who believes without a doubt he is right and who does not wish to compromise... Revert war? Microformats are rubbish... Sorry microformats is all you do and you areclearly annoyed, but they're pure rubbish, arein't they Pigsonthewing? Wikipedia encourages discussion and compromise between editors... You've been told to talk and to argument your PoV, do it. Until then BYE BYE MICROFORMATS. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 11:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)