Template talk:Leonardo da Vinci

Problems

What you have created here is something less than useless. It's less than useless because it tries to put into a few boxes things which are very complex, and therefore gives a very false impression! I have already said something very similar.

I just found the Mona Lisa in a box that say "Leonardo and other artists. Whaaaat are you on about? Although it is probable that soemone cut it down, and over-cleaned it, there is no suggestion that he painted it with another artist.

If you look at my detailed list of explanationns on the Leonardo page, you'll see why you can't put everything in three boxes.

There is a vast difference between:

Verrocchio painted a picture and got a student (Leonardo) to add a dog, obviously painted over the top.

Verrocchio got his best pupil (Leonardo) to collaborate and paint a significant part of a picture he was working on.

Leonardo has large important commission. He is assisted, with rocky background, gilding etc by two workshop artists.

But you have lumped all these together as Leonardo and other hands. It includes eveything from perhaps a student addition, to one of Leonardo's most accomplished paintings the London "Virgin of the Rocks". And now you add the "Mona Lisa" to it!!?

Moreover, there is also a vast difference between an attribution that almost every art historian agrees with, and a claim made by one person. But you have lumped them altogether.

I groan at the fact that this has been tagged onto the Leonardo] article, which already contains the information in as accurate form as I can make it, with a good deal of research.

You claim Leonardo invented "The Robot"! What he built was an Automatum of a type that was not original. Impressive perhaps, but he didn't invent it. remove it from the list. I can't remember what the other thing is, but to say he invented the robot is far fetched, and inaccurate.

Please don't do this! It is misleading, to say the very least.

Amandajm (talk) 06:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Removals

I just removed the "Medusa". No Medusa by Leonardo still exists. I removed "Leda and the Swan". Everyone knows that they are all student copies. I removed "Tobias". One art historian suggests Leonardo might have painted the fish (and the dog). There is no concensus of opinion about this. I removed "Robot". He didn't invent the robot.

Amandajm (talk) 06:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I am confused. All of those articles that you removed were articles that talked about Leonardo's possible input into those works. And the robot link actually linked to Leonardo's robot not robots in general. Remember (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)