Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters

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Merge

It's really time to get these articles cleaned and merged. They have had plenty of time to build up information, so it is obvious that they don't have anything significant at this point. Goku still may have potential, but it still seems better to just gut it and build it back up at this point. TTN (talk) 18:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, first off why are you considering merging Goku? Have you even read the article lately? It article has more than enough going for it to exists. The others are ruff around the edges but still have enough to stand out. As many of those characters are just as import to the franchise as Goku. Sarujo (talk) 18:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I agree. I think most of those needs to be merged in, and this list needs to be edited a bit to make sure there are no single episode/volume type characters taking up space that can better be served focusing on the main characters. Keep in mind that their importance to the franchise is completely irrelevant. It is the existance of extensive REAL WORLD reliable sources that discuss the character conception/creation, and third-party reliable sources that can be used to give the article a full and proper reception section. If all that can be said about the character is tons and tons of plot summary, it needs to be merged. With that said, if anyone can show such demonstrable notability for the tagged character such to the point that the article can be taken to GA or beyond, then please do so here. Otherwise, lets merge and go. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know this all too well, I should think before I speak. But, your saying that there's no real world content in any of the articles. That not necessarily true. Sarujo (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that not all of the characters need individual articles, while at the same time, some of those tagged may be able to meet the relevant guidelines to have their own articles. I've never read or watched the series...my only association with it is the work I've done on its articles, and being amused at my brother's love of the series (where normally he picks on me watching anime LOL). That said, I do agree that of the ones tagged currently, I'd be very surprised if Son Goku's article can't be fixed up to be a GA class. Its got some bones going, but it needs a massive clean up and refocus back to the real world. Still, I do not think that particular one would be a good merge candidate. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, What about merging the two Trunks articles into one, can that help with real world content for the character? Since the are two incarnations of one character? Sarujo (talk) 19:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

With Goku, good reception information really needs to be found for it before anything is decided. I believe I have been through this same discussion like ten times with all ending on the "it has potential" side. As it is the main character of a pretty large franchise, it should be fine, but good, meaty information is rather sparse sometimes. The "Other media" section is about 90% junk, so that doesn't really amount to anything. While those two characters are technically the same, they are too different to really do anything other than pile them both onto each other, leading to a mess. Neither has anything important anyways.TTN (talk) 19:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I merge the two a while back but it was reverted the next day and lead to a heated debate. I don't know how you can say that it would be a mess if they were properly writen with the right format. Sarujo (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Keep and fix Son Goku (Dragon Ball), Son Gohan, and Yamcha (which is a GA). If there's no chance in getting reception data for articles like Frieza and Cell (Dragon Ball), they should be merged. Well, the rest have no chance in becoming GAs so they could be cleaned up and merged. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Following Tintor2's start, I've added subsections for all proposed merges so each one can be more easily discussed individually. As noted earlier in this part of the discussion, any notes for keeping an article as a standalone piece should be backed up with demonstrable notability and real world sources on creation/conception and reception, not just the perceived value in the plot.-- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

*ahem* If you are just going to say keep without actually giving any supporting reason, please don't even say it. They are meaningless without actual reasoning, as has already been noted. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Son Goku (Dragon Ball)

• Clean up. Through it needs trimmings, it has out-of universe info.Tintor2 (talk) 23:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose Merge, highly notable fictional character and in some ways a cultural icon; sure there are plenty of sources on this one, including in various books studying manga/anime. Article needs a lot of clean up however. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• No way in heck should Goku's article be merged with the list of DBZ characters. He's one of the most well-known characters in anime history for crying aloud! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth Goku (talk • contribs) 02:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Check out Wikipedia:Notability/RFC:compromise, we're working on a compromise. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

And? It has nothing to do with this discussion, it is not active and there isn't even any clear likely future version. We have to go with what is here now, not pick and choose among that "discussion". -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It is active. It's the result of the 1+ year long conversations that got FICT marked as an essay. I think it's going to lead to a new FICT, which is what these merges used to be based on. If you don't want to participate, that's fine. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 23:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

And it has zero impact on this discussion until something tangible is actually produced. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 21:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - It needs some cleaning up and condensing, but if someone took the time to find DBZ reviews, you'd get a fairly large reception section. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Needs cleanup, but even as it is the stub Reception section sufficiently demonstrates his independent notability. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - To merge such a recognisable (and to an extent, influential) character - the main character in the series - into a list filled with very minor characters is insane. It seems all the Dragon Ball pages are going merge-mad. --- Krezos Farland (talk) 22:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - cleanup is necessary, but subject is definitely notable. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 21:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Son Gohan

• Clean up. Through it needs trimmings, it has out-of universe info.Tintor2 (talk) 23:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - It needs to be trimmed and maybe have a more expanded reception section, but with enough work it will be fine. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep - Much of what's in the Reception section isn't actual Reception information, and most of the remainder isn't sourced. What's there is suggestive that citations can be found. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Vegeta

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Needs major work, but surely there will be reception notes somewhere. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep - Iconic character (I mean, even I can recognize him), which suggests reception information is available. Said information needs to appear, though. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, Vegeta is arguably the second most important character in the Dragonball Z series and has enough of a backstory and role in Dragonball GT to warrant his own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.188.165 (talk) 05:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep, same reasoing as Roshi. There should readily be material available...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Future Trunks

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Important character. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep (for now) - I'm half and half; apparently the character is important, so there should be reception, but if nothing can be dug up, the article can be easily condensed and merged. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge unless reception information can be shown. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per Quasirandom.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Son Goten

• Merge. Very short article, minor character in comparison to others.Tintor2 (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For the time being SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - It's short and the character was never that popular. The only reason it seems to be around is because of the relation to Goku. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Much as I like him, minor character. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Doesn't appear for very long and is one of the less important Z-Fighters. --- Krezos Farland (talk) 22:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Insufficient substance to really build an article around.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - minor character, better suited for a list. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 21:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Trunks (Dragon Ball)

• Merge. Very short article, minor character in comparison to others.Tintor2 (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - It's short and the character was never that popular. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Minor character, no extrinsic notability. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Probably combine into Future Trunks if that article is kept? Unsure.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - combine the two and clean it up.--74.237.120.11 (talk) 00:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Pan (Dragon Ball)

• Merge. Very short article, minor character in comparison to others.Tintor2 (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - It's really only around because of a relation to Goku. The article is short and I have never seen any real out-of-universe info about Pan anyway. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Minor character, no extrinsic notability. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Appears for a very short time at the end of Dragon Ball (Z). Only has a supporting role in Dragon Ball GT. --- Krezos Farland (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Mr. Satan would be a better article than his grandchild, I have to say.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Bulma

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Only as long as someone works on it. It has potential. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge until reception information can be found, which seems quite possible, given her growing role through the series. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep for now. Same reason given here as I give for Roshi.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Master Roshi

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Wait a bit to see the direction it takes. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral - Recusing myself because I can't stand the character. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - An iconic and recognizable character from both the original and DBZ series. There's enough potential to give his article strength if built upon.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yamcha

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Good article and we had this before ... Also its a GA. He was a major character during DB (really major) and DBZ SSJ 5 (talk) 20:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - It's a GA, with the real improvements coming from finding references. However, I've made mention of it already and SSJ has been working hard to fix it. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - GA class with a reception section that clearly demostrates notability. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep - A cleanup could be done, but there *is* reception there and it is GA. Potential at the very least.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Krillin

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Just until we see the direction and whether someone cares enough to fix it. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep for now. Work should be viable to improve the article and make it notable.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Tien Shinhan

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Just to see the direction it takes. Otherwise, it seems merge-worthy. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge until reception information can be shown. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge Filler more than anything in the long term than a character with weight.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Piccolo (Dragon Ball)

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - For now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Much can be done. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - He's a pretty important character, which means there is probably a lot of info floating around about him. It really needs lots of clean-up and fixing up. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge until reception information can be shown. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep for now, per same reason as Roshi...there should be real-world weight to back him up in terms of reception.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Frieza

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Main villain. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Probably an eventual merge, but see what can be done as it is a major villian article. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep - The number of references to him in other works suggests that a decent reception section can be built. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep - Third party material gives references, which presents quite a buffer.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Cell (Dragon Ball)

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Main villain. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - It shows enough potential, though it needs major cleanup. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge until reception information can be shown -- which as main villain, is quite possible. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge per Quasirandom--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Majin Buu

• Keep, notability is just a guideline, and also, the lamest guideline this place has. Thanos6 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Main villain. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - It shows enough potential, though it needs some major clean-up. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral for now - Good development info, needs reception to show notability. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep for now. There's a clear start, and it can be expanded upon.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Baby (Dragon Ball)

• Merge. Minor character in comparison to others.Tintor2 (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Most notable GT villain. SSJ 5 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Not notable and the article is quite small. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - Minor character with minimal impact. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Merge per Tintor2.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Naming

The last time I heard about the consensus, we were using the FUNimation Japanese subtitle character names. How come we are using the anime dub names now? Is there a discussion about this? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It was something decided after a discussion with the anime project. TTN (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I found this: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Archive_29#.22Adhering_to_naming_conventions.22 - I see! I'll take a look at it. Thank you! :) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)