Talk:The Human Centipede (First Sequence)

hello, there is quite a buzz about this film within the horror film world and wider media, and when I am feeling less hungover I'll put in a bunch more stuff with references to justify the article. So hang on with the deletion! thanks Coolug (talk) 12:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I've declined the speedy deletion as there are numerous reviews in horror film magazines, and the film has been previewed at several major horror movie festivals. Saying that, you need to beef up the references to prove this. Papa November (talk) 14:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Assessment for C-class

Hello and Congratulations on moving up. You aren't quite ready for prime time, but you're a lot closer than before. Here's what I want you to do:

• Integrate Honours into Reception
• Find some main stream literature (not horror magazines or sites) with information about the film. I know there is some mainstream information about this film.
• Remove the mention of how many reviewers there are on RT, as this can change very quickly.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to drop me a message on my talk page.--nblschool (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions, I've done the first and third suggestion, and am now looking for some mainstream stuff. So far I'm not having much luck :) Papa November where are you when I need you? Help! Anyway, if you don't mind I'll send you a message on your talk page when the references are appropriately beefed up and it's potentially B class. thanks Coolug (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Right, I've followed all of these suggestions and found some more mainstream sources to back up the article. Therefore I think it may well be worthy of B-class. Fingers crossed! :) Coolug (talk) 13:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

assessment for b-class

hello. I'm quite keen to put some work into this article to make it a decent article and will do so soon when I get a chance, however, being a bit of a wikipedia n00bie I'm not sure what exactly this assessment stuff above is all about. It says add stuff to the template call: what is this? :) help! Coolug (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about that message - it's for the person who assesses the article, not for the editors. Aim for C-class first: I'd suggest looking at some examples of C-class horror articles to see the kind of standard you need to aim for. You should try to include something for all the sections found in a featured horror article like Night of the Living Dead, but don't worry about making it perfectly polished just yet. Try looking for advice at WikiProject Horror too. Give me a shout if I can help with anything. Enjoy the film tomorrow ;) Papa November (talk) 01:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Finally seeing it this evening :) Then I'll go to work on making this a somewhat decent article :) Will be in arcadia afterwards if you fancy it. Cya Coolug (talk) 10:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, finally seen it (a horrible, horrible movie) and have started by writing out the plot bit before I forget the ins and outs. It's a bit long however, so I'm gonna edit it down as much as possible and get it all well written and grammatical and stuff. Then I'll move on to the other sections; production release reception etc etc. Told tom six about the wiki page last night at the showing (he was there) and he seemed like a nice guy. Said thank you to us for doing this :) Coolug (talk) 10:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you going to put the photo you showed me on Commons? It would be nice to have a photo of Tom Six in the article. Also, did you get his email address? It would be good to ask if he'll release some production photos and a couple of stills from the movie under a free license. There's some advice about how to ask for permission here. He could also point you in the direction of some reviews/articles which have been written about the film. Papa November (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to stick the picture up but I haven't got the right attachment for my nokia so no way of doing it right now. If I can find someone with a bluetooth enabled pc I'll do it via their computer. Might ask tom six for stuff later but not right now methinks. cya Coolug (talk) 17:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, maybe I'm being a little overenthusiastic, but I reckon this article is well worth at least a C-class now. It's got a bunch of information, its referenced to bits with decent formatting and theres even a nice little picture. How do we submit it for review? Coolug (talk) 10:26, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact, looking at the criteria, maybe even B class? Am I jumping the gun a bit here? Coolug (talk) 10:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Good work with the new image. It still needs alt text to it - I'll do it later if you don't get to it before me. Once that's done, you could give it a go at the assessment page. Go here and add an entry to the bottom of the assessment request list. Papa November (talk) 12:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

done and done. Feel like I've just handed in an exam paper and I'm waiting for the results :) - nervous! Coolug (talk) 13:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Good luck :) Papa November (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

plot section

I'm not sure what to do about the plot section, I originally wrote a piece that was frankly far too long and editing down was on my to-do list, however, it was removed by tomsix (presumably the Tom Six (which is quite cool)) and after a few more edits is now pretty short. What's the consensus on how the plot section should read? I'm thinking somewhere between the long one and the current one. I'm aware of WP:SPOILER and agree that anyone not wanting to know the plot should simply avoid wiki entries (I avoided anything to do with The Wire for a long time for that very reason. But I also don't want this article to just be a big plot description either. cya Coolug (talk) 16:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Plot sections can be reasonably detailed and can (and should) contain spoilers (see for example Bride of Frankenstein) and shouldn't be censored. There should also be no spoiler warnings in the article itself. However, the plot should not be the focus of the article, and almost certainly shouldn't be the longest section. To avoid any conflicts with Tomsix, you could focus on starting the sections on the production, casting and critical reception and then apply for a c-class assessment. Your original version of the plot section will stay in the article history, so you can come back to it later after there has been an opportunity for discussion. Papa November (talk) 17:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

jolly good. Coolug (talk) 17:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a suitable time now to update the plot section as theres a fair bit of other stuff in the article regarding casting, writing etc etc. I'm gonna add a bit more detail (but not every single event of the film) so it will stop reading like a promo synopsis and more like a wikipedia article on a piece of fiction. I'll do this in a bit, if anyone objects obviously just revert it back and we can try and work out a consensus. cya Coolug (talk) 10:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It should summarise the plot rather than "tease" the reader. Papa November (talk) 12:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Reason for Katsuro at front

Last week I went to a screening of 'The Human Centipede' where Tom Six answered a few questions at the end. One question from the audience being how he decided upon the order Heiter would place his victims in the centipede. He stated that he placed Katsuro at the front because with him unable to speak english, Lindsay and Jenny were unable to understand what he was saying and thus the centipede was even more restricted than it would have been with an english speaking front. This to me is quite an interesting point re: the creative process (and much more sophisticated than something I'd have expected from a film that is basically about people shitting in each others mouths :) I sneakily tried to stick this in the article. Unfortunately Papa November rumbled me and stuck a next to it. Obviously the fact that Tom Six told me this personally is original research and not something I can use. Can anyone anywhere find an interview or other usable source that states this? It's an interesting point about the creative process and something that if citable should go in the article. cya Coolug (talk) 17:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it counts as "rumbling" if you tell me on the phone! Good luck finding a source. Papa November (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I found a source! :D http://ictv-bd-ec.indieclicktv.com/player/swf/b51134344b4b64572c52606f9e8f148c/4bd9cca7c42ef/10/0/defaultPlayer%5Eplayer.swf 75.110.212.173 (talk) 00:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

That's a great source! Thanks. cya Coolug (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

moment of light comic relief

hello. Spending all the time googling 'human centipede' in search of decent sources for this article can make life a bit of a chore, but I found a good result, well, it made me laugh anyway. http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_gwrcarl-has-updated-Largest-Human-Centipedea-blog/BLOG/415806/7691.html cya Coolug (talk) 17:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Reception

Did you see this list on IMDB? Might give you some extra leads. Papa November (talk) 13:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

poster image description

I don't know if I'm just being stupid, but the image description for the poster has disappeared. Am I doing something wrong or is it not there anymore? Coolug (talk) 13:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Human_Centipede_%28First_Sequence%29&action=historysubmit&diff=329822570&oldid=329543546 How did I not pick up on this at the time? I need to up my game a little bit :) Coolug (talk) 13:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

edit war?

Uh oh, someone whose IP address keeps changing is insisting on adding text to the plot section about how unrealistic they consider the human centipede and how Tom Six cannot possibly have really consulted a surgeon during the making of the film (amusingly they keep insisting that the victims would die of infection, which is exactly what happens to part three of the centipede in the final film so they are sort of right)......

Would the article benefit from any semi-protection for a short period to prevent this from turning into a full scale edit war? The film has started receiving a fair amount of mainstream attention of late so I would expect more and more people to be reading the article very soon. Coolug (talk) 07:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Not yet... semi-protection is a last resort. Hopefully they'll get the message that we need verifiability and find some sources. If not, then short-term semi-protection or a limited rangeblock might be necessary. In the meantime, be careful not to break the three revert rule. Papa November (talk) 08:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

it would be amazing if someone out in the world went and wrote an authoritative list of what exactly is medically inaccurate about the Human Centipede. That would be great. Coolug (talk) 10:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"Additionally, the actors themselves were not presented with a completed script prior to signing onto the film, instead only being given an outline of the film's storyboard."

This needs to be clarified. It makes it sound like he tricked the actors into joining, when he was very clear on what they were going to be doing in the film. --DrBat (talk) 03:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

How do they breathe?

the second & third parts of the centipede. It doesn't actually say. Did I mention? BLEH (talk) 11:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

the victims are only joined mouth-to-anus, so they can breath through their noses. I don't think this needs to be mentioned in the article as the article makes no mention of their noses being covered. I think most readers would have assumed this. Coolug (talk) 13:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean everyone knows how human centipedes work. Household knowledge, really.Artemisstrong (talk) 05:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I had asumed it was fairly standard......... Coolug (talk) 06:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't know how you guys are making your human centipedes on the East Coast, but we prefer to give ours proper breathing holes--usually some sort of modified snorkel with velcro straps. Hope this helps!Artemisstrong (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILMS B-class assessment request

A request was left at WP:FILMS assessment department to determine if the article should be assessed as B class. The article is well-developed but it just needs a few things to meet the criteria:

• The lead should be expanded to better summarize the article, and for an article of this length, it should be at least two or three paragraphs. See WP:LEAD for guidelines.
• The flags should be removed from the infobox.
• The screenshot does not meet WP:FILMNFI. If you want to include the image, it should be included in the production section with commentary stating how the scene was filmed. Just adding it to the plot section appears decorative. Including a caption stating how it was filmed will also help.
• In the reception section, instead of "awards", it should be "accolades" instead.
• In the sequel section, there's a single sentence. To improve the flow of the article, it should either be expanded or incorporated into another paragraph.

These should be easy to fix, and once they're completed, you can assess the article as B-class or let me know on my talk page and I'll take another look. Good job with the article so far and if you have questions about any of the above, let me know. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the review... I have removed the flags, renamed the "Awards" section and merged the short sentence at the end. I'll carry on this evening. Papa November (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I have expanded the lead. Just the screenshot to sort out, right? Coolug (talk) 08:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok I've moved the image and added a commentary that I think is relevant to the film-making. What do you think Papa November? Are we there? I'm not too keen on revising the class myself as I originally created the article and even if it's within the letter of the law, it feels outside the spirit. I think we should ask Nehrams2020 to do it for us. What's your feeling on this? Coolug (talk) 08:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I went through the article and made some minor corrections and fixes. Please look them over to help prevent them in the future. Make sure not to use IMDB as a source, as it has not been deemed reliable. Altogether, good job addressing the above issues, and I have now assessed the article as B class. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Hoooray! Hip Hip Hooray! Coolug (talk) 07:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Sequel Chatter

The material referenced to support the idea that the sequel will have a centipede composed of 12 individuals seems to imply, instead, that the franchise will have 12 movies (parts/sequels). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolte (talk • contribs) 04:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

the game

I've taken off something about the human centipede flash game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/537029) because at the moment I don't feel the game is really worth being included in a B-class quality wikipedia article. However, if the consensus is otherwise then we can always put it back. Bearing in mind my next target after finally reaching B-class is to go for GA in a few months, is the game something we should really be talking about? I don't want to end up doing one of those xkcd things where everything human centipede related ever ends up in this article! Coolug (talk) 14:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

based upon the backlash from various IP addresses ( :P ) I think I might let this game info stay. However, not as it is at present as it looks absoultely terrible. This is a B-Class article! We're supposed to be in the top 2% in terms of overall quality!

Therefore I don't think a separate 'Game' heading should be used, I think this should be mentioned within the reception section. With properly formatted referrences. I'm at work right now so shouldn't really be on wikipedia, will do it later. Papa november you have a fairly skivable job, can you help? Coolug (talk) 09:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't even think there should be a subsection. As far as I can see from the citations, there is no official endorsement from IFC or anyone connected to the film. Just merge a sentence about it into the reception section. Papa November (talk) 10:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I've stuck in in the accolades bit. To be honest I don't think this is really all that significant. When I go for my GA drive in a few months (waiting for more source material to be created as the film gets released in more territories) this is probably going to have to go. I suspect the criteria at WP:Film probably backs me up on this one. Meh. Coolug (talk) 14:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

2009 / 2010?

Hey. A lot of editors have been coming here of late and changing the opening line: "The Human Centipede (First Sequence) is a 2009 horror film...." to "The Human Centipede (First Sequence) is a 2010 horror film..." which is all in good spirit and stuff as the film received it's mainstream US release only last month (in 2010). However, we're calling it 2009 as the IMDB says so. What should it actually be? I know IMDB isn't considered the most reliable source on wikipedia, but what is the actual policy on this? Anyone know? Coolug (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm gonna make it 2010 myself and just see what happens. Coolug (talk) 16:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)