User talk:2over0

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An official invitation, no less

The OTRS system is looking for trusted volunteers to help staff our permissions, photosubmissions, and info-en queues. I would like to invite you to look over what OTRS involves and consider seeking approval at the volunteering page. Thank you. NW (Talk) 12:43, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I am touched, thank you. I would not like to start a new project while I am not able to offer timely replies, but I expect to be taking a deeper look at this in not more than two weeks. Comment post-dated comment so this thread does not slip into the brink - 2/0 (cont.) 04:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for article lock

I'd like to request that the Ed Shultz page be semi-protected. It is under constant political vandalism from unregistered users. --Iron Chef (talk) 00:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The article looks pretty quiet for the last few days, but if they start up again please make a request to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, mentioning that it is a biography of a living person. Regards, - 2/0 (cont.) 21:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Additional restrictions on Captain Occam vacated

You have apparently been offline for several days and Captain Occam was asking for independent review of his edit restrictions. As you've been idle, I have reviewed from the original edits and decided that the block was probably unnecessary, and by extension the alternate edit restrictions are also unnecessary. I am vacating those restrictions, as an uninvolved admin.

Your actions were clearly in good faith, but I think we are all better off with the restriction lifted at this point.

I welcome comments and discussion, here or on my talk page. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Review and decision

This is an unusual situation - we rarely impose the type of edit restriction that limits someone to Arbcom case responses only, though it's been done a number of time. The admin who imposed it also has become idle for 5 days. Community "votes" also aren't exactly a standard way of resolving issues with blocks.

Logically - the edit restrictions were a modification to the original block. The place to start in determining what to do going forwards is reviewing the specifics of the original block.

In the days leading up to the block, Captain Occam focused editing on the Arbcom case and on the talk page of the Race and intelligence article. Having reviewed all the threads there, in the days leading up to the block, Occam edited in a manner which was somewhat milder than the prior months, was discussing largely in good faith, and was not doing anything out of the ordinary for the situation currently under arbitration. There were extensive fruitful multiparty discussions going on on the talk page.

The underlying content and behavioral issues at play in the Arbcom case can be seen in the ongoing activity, and perhaps it would be best for all parties if we simply lock the article from editing for the remainder of the case, but the editing slowed down significantly over the last few days (since I full-protected for 1 day on June 8th). It was certainly not worse than prior times.

I believe that the block was done in good faith. However, I believe that in retrospect, nothing was going on at the time of the block that was out of the ordinary or beyond that already subject to normal Arbcom review and needing admin intervention. Admins should not be afraid to enforce policy normally against Arbcom case participants, but we also shouldn't focus overly critically on them. Arbcom will make any out-of-the-ordinary decisions required.

Had there still been an active block I'd overturn it at this point. Given the edit restriction was a replacement for that, I believe that it should just be vacated at this time.

This is not an invitation to resume any disruptive behaviors. However, reasonable normal behavior with due respect for the Arbcom case underway is not a problem for the encyclopedia or community.

As an uninvolved admin, having reviewed, I am doing so. The additional restrictions in place on Captain Occam are vacated. I am going to copy this section to WP:ANI, the Arbcom case workshop, User talk:Captain Occam, and User talk:2over0.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

E-mail from 2/0

(I posted this on AN/I earlier today):

Just as a matter of record, I had contacted 2/0 by e-mail while the community discussion was ongoing, and received this response today:

Thank you for letting me know. If it is still a going concern, would you please mention that I am moving and am suffering unexpected delays in setting up my internet access? Clearly, I endorse whatever conclusion the community reaches, though I do express some hope that people who comment do due diligence by reading the relevant contributions first. Thank you for your help in this matter.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:11, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Help

I begged the administrators to take me into care. The user BokicaK I was cursed, because I asked him something. My English is not the best, and translate the Google translator. I asked users BokicaK to tell me that the other user (RastkoPocesta) active, but he replied me the following: Jebote Rastko Pocesta vise. Mogu da mislim na sta lice te vase knjige. meaning: Rastko fuck more often. I can think of what you face your book. on the Serbian Wikipedia administrator and no one to oppose him. Whenever I have defended him he blocked me. On the Serbian Wikipedia all hate him. I begged the administrators to put a block of users, for our personal security, because our on disdains. I feel very vulnerable. Thank you in advance --Filip Srbin (talk) 10:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

BlackBerry - Google Search - Wikipedia Page Error Found - Ivory Coast

Today while watching the World Cup with my wife I searched for "Ivory Coast" on my BlackBerry.

The first reference came up as a Wikipedia page.

The caption under the link had an incorrect statement.

Although the Ivory Coast is in West Africa, the google page information stated it as being a country in Eurpoe when accessed via my BlackBerry.

When accessed through a traditional account it referrenced a country in West Africa correctly.

The error I found is only for BlackBerry (and possibly other smartphone users).

I do not know if this is a Google error, or a Wikipedia error, but it was under one of the links on Google for Wikipedia when searching for the Ivory Coast.

I hope you can resolve this error so other users are not mis-informed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.56.142 (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

My guess is that Google was caching an old version of the version of the page served to mobile devices. It is possible to ask them to synch to the current version, but I think that they crawl Wikipedia content pretty regularly so this is probably not an issue anymore. TS, are you watching this? Or can someone else with a mobile device check?

Thank you for your interest in maintaining Wikipedia as a high quality reference work. In future, the best place to bring concerns like this would be Talk:Côte d'Ivoire, available through the Discussion link at the top of any page. You might also be interested in the benefits of registering an account. Good luck, - 2/0 (cont.) 21:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I checked the mobile version on an ipod and it was correct (at least in this respect). Verbal chat 21:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. - 2/0 (cont.) 21:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Michael Jackson unprotected page

Hello I was just wondering why the Michael Jackson page is no longer protected?, a lot a changes are being made to page without most people referring to the talk page. Its a featured Article so i was just wondering why its no longer protected.

Thank You Thecriticexpress (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

It is part of the new pending changes trial, which hopefully will allow a compromise between anyone can edit and semi-protection of vandalism targets. If there is an ongoing dispute among editors and the talkpage discussion is breaking down, please try Wikipedia:Requests for page protection or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, as appropriate. Regards, - 2/0 (cont.) 00:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Scibaby Sock

I suppose I should be trying to cut my losses (and avoid Wikipedia like the plague) at this point, but I'm still somewhat confused by the chain of events that occurred after I made a suggestion at the Global Warming page. While I admittedly have not been a particularly active editor, I've had an account for a while now, try my best to correct vandalism/perform minor edits, and am not clear on why I was immediately accused (and, apparently, convicted) of being a sockpuppet after posting the question. I'm contacting you because my username is still listed on the page for Scibaby socks, and you seemed to believe that I am not this person (which I greatly appreciate). What sort of account validation do I need to provide to avoid this in the future? Thanks in advance. Missionamp (talk) 01:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

FWIW I don't think you're Scibaby either. Probably the best thing is to let the checkuser go through so the technical results can be posted. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - I appreciate the advice. I'll let it run it's course. Missionamp (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I am also pretty sure that you are not Scibaby, and I am sorry that this ever came up. Issues relating to climate change can evoke strong emotions, and sometimes they can interfere with building a comprehensive respected reference work. There are several people who regularly create throwaway accounts in this area, attempt to disguise their distinctive writing styles, and lie when caught out; it would seem that the tagging editor thought that he detected something familiar about your post, but I think even he is willing to work with you under an assumption of good faith.

To peer under the Wikipedia hood for a minute, only a bare handful of highly trusted editors who have self-identified to the Wikimedia Foundation have access to the server logs necessary to see whether two accounts are controlled by a single person. The community recently had a bit of an election fubar, and we are severely understaffed in terms of people who have such access (more here if you have some time on your hands). This unfortunately has led to some delay before some volunteer has the time to look, but I believe that the suspected sockpuppets page is the only one that currently lists any suspicion about you. If you would like, drop me a note after that concludes and I can delete the now-removed template from the revision history of your userpage to expunge even that. Best of luck, - 2/0 (cont.) 01:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks for the response. I understand that, given the anonymity provided by online accounts in general, sockpuppets can be a challenge to those of you who strive to keep Wikipedia in good order. My main concern is that there is some aspect of my account that will cause this to be an ongoing problem but, as I noted above, it’s not like I spend a tremendous amount of time editing articles. Thanks again - Missionamp (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Request

Hi, I hope you have settled into your new place now. :) Would you please give reviewer rights to User:DocOfSoc's? I'd appreciate it. I'm not sure if autoreviewer is also needed. I still don't see the difference in the two. Oh well. Anyways, I think she has been here long enough to have these rights plus ther are a few of us editors who are helping her in some manner or another. Thanks in advance, --CrohnieGal^Talk 10:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I volunteered on DocOfSoc's page, as they seem to have the editing experience and grasp of policy to be a benefit to the pending changes trial. I believe that autoreviewer applies only to pages created; it is useful if, for instance, an experienced editor decides to create stubs for the redlinks in List of Ediacaran genera. ttfn - 2/0 (cont.) 07:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Yea I was talking about granting reviewer not autoviewer rights to her. I thought all you had to do was give it to her. I got mine from an administrator and then a notice on my talk page a little while later with a link to what a reviewer actually was. :) I hope you are finally relaxing. Moving is so stressful and exhausting. How many boxes do you have left? Take care, --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I think I could just tick the box, but then I would feel awfully silly if she is a conscientious objector or something like that and wanted it removed.

It should be no boxes, but I spent the weekend playing around with the packing problem rearranging my furniture (virtually, of course - model twice, move once, I always say), eventually concluding that the extra walking room is probably worth the hassle of swapping my bookcases around. I managed to realize this before they were too weighted with books, but there are a number of knicknacks that should be set aside before I start dragging things around again. Maybe this weekend, so the cat will have time to acclimate to the current arrangement for maximum confusion. I think my life is a Tron parody using one of those puzzles where you slide the squares into the one empty slot to rearrange a picture. - 2/0 (cont.) 09:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I am usually conscientiously agreeable except to trolls and vandals! My unofficial advisor said to say yes please and I find following her advice very beneficial! :-) While we are on that subject may we segue to considering semi- protecting Ryan Seacrest? The trolls are especially hateful there. TY for all of the above! AS Doc would say Cheers! esp. during moving time, ugh! DocOfSoc (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I forgot there were editor who objected to all of the reviewer stuff. Well I hope you are starting to settle in. I know when we moved about two and a half years ago it was a major hassle for us. We'd lived in the other place for 15+ years and boy were we amazed at the garbage we accumulated. :) When we got here I had the boxes all gone within two days but we didn't feel like we were at 'home' until I started hanging things on the walls. When I finished that, we were home again. :) We had to hire movers to move and pack our stuff up. That took a lof of the stress of moving off of us. Where we are now is a very nice community, most of it is for over 50 people. I have to admit though that I miss watching the kids playing outside like I got to do before. My cat Buddy is a chicken and the move scared him to death. He hid under the couch for the most part. We let him into our room at night for about a week. We don't allow him in there since he likes to play at night, we wouldn't get enough sleep. All in all, for us the move was good. I hope your move was a too. --CrohnieGal^Talk 14:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Good to go, DocOfSoc - good luck. I will take a look at Ryan Seacrest over lunch.

@Crohnie - I helped move my parents out of my childhood home a few years back, and found things that I do not remember ever having seen. On the bright side, once it was dug out they did get more use out of the old hamster run that had been moldering in storage for over a decade. Also, I have to admit that one of the advantages of the new place is *not* having kids playing outside. Given that this is a college town, though, by "kids" I mean "undergrads pushing each other into the pool and screaming at three in the morning". Best, - 2/0 (cont.) 17:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I've seen bits of Girls Gone Wild ... what's wrong with undergrads pushing each other into pools again? LOL (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Good one Bwilkins! :) I needed a good laugh today. I do so miss the little people, you know the ones that are still innocent. :) I've still got hopes though for my own little person within the year, grandchild thank you very much! :) Too old for my own little person, way too old. :) Be well both of you, --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Climate change moving to Workshop

This Arbitration case is now moving into the Workshop phase. Please read Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration#Workshop to understand the process. Editors should avoid adding to their evidence sections outside of slight tweaks to aid in understanding; large-scale additions should not be made. Many proposals have already been made and there has already been extensive discussion on them, so please keep the Arbitrators' procedures in mind, namely to keep "workshop proposals as concise as reasonably possible." Workshop proposals should be relevant and based on already provided evidence; evidence masquerading as proposals will likely be ignored. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Please sign your stuff.

Hey. Oldspammer (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Were there more? Regards, - 2/0 (cont.) 10:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope that I noticed. Did you read any of the stuff there that you complained about? Any comments? Or were you just in the mood to enforce the law in a strict manner? Oldspammer (talk) 10:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Read it, and I found the last bit constructive; I may reply if I dig up a source. That talkpage tends to go off the rails if too many people start speculating, though. - 2/0 (cont.) 10:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I looked through your user page and saw you're interested in climate change science. Is not a lot of the computer modeling / data for that hoaxed by guys paid by their employers? Isn't the entire thing a giant hoax hype / trick for the media / governments in order to pay carbon taxes to the likes of Club of Rome members and the Rothschilds? Oldspammer (talk) 08:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

You forgot the Knights Templar. As Umberto Eco observed in Foucault's Pendulum, the Templars have something to do with everything. MastCell ^Talk 18:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Meatpuppetry

As long as no one finds out you're a sock of me, then I'll be fine. He'll probably be editing the French wikipedia anyway. Have you seen the editwarring at ANI? Not great! Verbal chat 22:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Wait - you? I thought I was a sock of Orange Marlin (who should totally start editing again); my bad, will not happen again. Also - edit warring at AN/I? Classy. - 2/0 (cont.) 22:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, it's a classy joint (à la Bogart) . You can't be OM, I'm OM. Oh... (I miss him too). Goodnight! Verbal chat 22:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

He won't be back. Not under that name, anyway. (Email me if you need a less cryptic, but really no more informative answer). Guettarda (talk) 15:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I am sad about all the drama shortly before OM's retirement, and wish him all the best in any future endeavors, encyclopedic or otherwise. While part of me would love to hear that he is back editing productively and drama-free under a new username, I do not want to know that username (best to make a clean break, I think, than risk faulty memories and hasty editing), nor do I even want to know whether this is the case (edits should speak for themselves on their own quality, so it simply does not matter except for distracting me with speculation and second-guessing); thank you all the same, though. - 2/0 (cont.) 17:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually I have no idea if he is or isn't editing, and if I did know or suspected anything (which I don't), I wouldn't divulge it. I have the utmost respect for his privacy. All I know is what made him feel he had to quit, and I would be willing to shed just a little light on it to people I knew are his friends. Last I heard (which isn't all that recent), he's well. That's always a concern, I think, when people suddenly disappear. Guettarda (talk) 17:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I did not mean to imply that you would show less than the utmost care when dealing with another editor's personal information. Best regards, - 2/0 (cont.) 18:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ping

Hi, you've got mail. :) --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

What?!? How did you know that? Explain yourself before I ban you and your little dog too!

j/k, obviously :P

On a more amusing note, I just checked the contributions from my current IP address (public locale), and apparently I may be sharing a chair with a banned sockpuppeteer at a few days remove. I would go shoulder-surfing for fellow distracted-by-Wikipedia-ns, but (a) that would be rude and (b) state law only protects minors from exposure to inappropriate images - the rest of us have to look after our own eyeballs. - 2/0 (cont.) 17:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

And your little dog too? Are you saying that User:KillerChihuahua is Crohnie's sockpuppet?! :) Guettarda (talk) 17:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, the whole Puppy Cabal is up to something involving dirty socks, smelly old shoes, gnawing on the rocking chair, and rolling around in the grass ... - 2/0 (cont.) 19:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Rasmussen College

Feel free to undo the semiprotection if you think it's unnecessary. When I placed it, I imagined I was just locking out the IPs, but I see that Warrenpd is affected as well due to the newness of his account. EdJohnston (talk) 16:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I was actually considering thanking you for that - at least one of the IPs almost certainly is the same person as Warrenpd. They have an admitted CoI, but I would still hate to see them blocked. There is now a massive proposal on the talkpage so I am not sure that they really get it, but I am going to see if I can fix it up enough for inclusion anyway. Feel free to keep an eye out; be seeing you, - 2/0 (cont.) 16:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Data on a Caddie

According to Commodore_Datasette, a 30 minute audio casette, similar, lets say, to an 8 track, could hold 1mb using turbo tape and other fast loaders, whatever those are.

A caddy has, let's say, a 10 foot by 5 foot by 5 foot size, for total area of 250 cubic feet. However, you need a driver to move, so let's take out 50 cubic feet for that. An audio tape is 4 inches by 2.5 inches by .15 inches, or .001 cubic feet (give or take), so you could fit 200,000 audio tapes in your caddie (+ driver), which is 200,000 mbs, or 200 gbs.

Let's get our caddie really going - 80mph. Thus, it takes our caddie is going 116 f/s, which I'll round down to 100 f/s. It takes 10 feet for the whole cabin to move through a point. So, it takes .1 seconds for the caddie to move 200gbs, providing a theoretical "caddie loaded with audiotape" bandwidth of 2 tb per second - assuming you want to move data exactly one carlength, which is exactly how far I want to move data. Hipocrite (talk) 17:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I think your driver is a bit voluminous, but good enough for a Fermi problem. Also, thank you for reminding me that I fell asleep the other night before I actually finished estimating the volume of my books in barn-furlongs. On the order of 10²⁴; which also reminds me - 2/0 is not allowed at the next Friends of the Library sale until he finishes the books he bought at the last one. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Personal attack in my book

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That feels like a PA to me. TickleMeister (talk) 05:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Civility doesn't mean you can't point out the obvious, however that editor later revisited the comment to collapse th part you felt insulting. The edit underneath that one, by you, shows very disturbing behaviour and makes an unrelated comment about the editor. If you said that about me I'd be calling for you to be blocked. Verbal chat 06:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious that I'm "soapboxing fringe theories"? And you'd call for my blocking for pointing out that the editor making this absurd accusation has a history, both on WP and off it, of agitating against medical science and advocating AIDS denialism? Ye gods, have a nice day! TickleMeister (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Whatever the background of the situation your diff does not look like a personal attack to me. PA is used far too frequently when editors are trying to make observations on other editors' behaviour, something that in itself should not be banned in any way. Whether the observation is right or wrong it should not be construed as a personal attack. Polargeo (talk) 09:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Concur, there's nothing in that diff that is anywhere close to a PA. It is a clear description of the type of edits being made. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The return of GoRight?

A few months ago, you commented on the indefinite blocking of User:GoRight following this AN/I discussion. A newly created account, User:TheNeutralityDoctor, has been reported to WP:SPI as a possible sockpuppet of GoRight, based on behavioural evidence. Your views would be welcomed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GoRight. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

ChrisO, are you canvassing for support?[1][2][3][4][5][6] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 11:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

As long as ChrisO has not intentionally left anyone out of a certain group this is a neutral information message and is not canvassing. Polargeo (talk) 11:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

See-also [7] which answers another of AQFK's confusions. More interesting is why AQFK is bothered William M. Connolley (talk) 11:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

He did not notify User:Trusilver, User:samj, User:Mlpearc, User:NuclearWarfare, User:Diannaa, User:Enric_Naval, User:Ncmvocalist, User:Count_Iblis, User:ZuluPapa5, User_talk:JzG, User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris, User:Atmoz, User:JzG (Not sure why this link is red, his name is displayed as "Guy"), User:Alexh19740110, User:ATren, User:Beyond_My_Ken, User:Ncmvocalist, User:Dayewalker and User:Atama. All of them participated in the previous discussion.[8] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks then this is potentially selective and should be dealt with by equally informing the other participants with the same message. Polargeo (talk) 12:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

@AQFK: Oh, give me a break. How on Earth would this sort of message be inappropriate canvassing at all? "Canvassing is sending messages to Wikipedians with the intent to inform them about a community discussion.[1] Under certain conditions it is acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, but messages that are written to influence the outcome rather than to improve the quality of a discussion compromise the consensus building process and may be considered disruptive. What community discussion is being held at the SPI? None at all. NW (Talk) 12:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I think this is easily dealt with. No blatant canvassing occured but if AQFK wishes to inform other users with a similar neutral message then that solves their issues. Polargeo (talk) 12:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why the burden of cleaning up after ChrisO should fall on me. He's an experienced editor and should know better. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing to 'clean up' after. It's not a vote. If it's sockpuppetry, it's something that needs people to help clean up after. There's nothing inappropriate except, perhaps, annoying people who don't really care. And if any of the people Chris notified are annoyed that he did, they're all capable of telling him so themselves. Guettarda (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

@AQFK It does not appear that ChrisO is trying to stack votes. He has simply informed several people, in a very neutral way, who may be knowledgeable about the situation. If you wish to inform others then that is a quick solution. It will take you a lot less time than arguing about it here. Polargeo (talk) 13:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't a participant of that previous discussion, but based on the wording of ChrisO's notice, it appears as if he only contacted editors who proposed, supported or were willing to discuss an indefinite ban. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay. However, the ban has happened, a possible sock has turned up. ChrisO has informed those who took part in the banning action to review the sock (do they think this is the same user?). I agree this may be a little one sided but it is still not a clear violation of WP:CANVASS and is best dealt with by informing everyone who you think is interested. This is something I have often done myself in the past rather than argue about canvass. Polargeo (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I specifically confined myself to notifying the admins who participated and one non-admin (Tony Sidaway) who proposed the ban in the first place. -- ChrisO (talk) 14:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Be a little more careful next time as admins should not have a greater status than non-admins except in situations wikipedia has allowed this, such as use of admin tools (obviously). Even then these should be used per consensus (not just admin consensus) Polargeo (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

And as this is a situation where the use of admin tools is involved (the indefinite blocking of a user and the potential blocking of another user), contacting admins is appropriate. Contrary to what AQFK claims, I did in fact also ask JzG and Atama. There is nothing exceptional or unusual about this - it's simply a request for second opinions from admins with prior experience of dealing with sockpuppets and of dealing with this particular user. The only reason why we're even discussing this is because AQFK has, as usual, assumed bad faith. I can't be held responsible when another editor assumes bad faith and jumps to the wrong conclusions. -- ChrisO (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I am not holding you responsible. I don't think you have canvassed. I am just saying that any user may have an opinion on this not just admins. This is just a thought to take forward from here. Polargeo (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

ChrisO, let me make sure I understand you correctly. According to this edit,[9] you stated that "I specifically confined myself to notifying the admins who participated and one non-admin (Tony Sidaway) who proposed the ban in the first place." So, editors who defended GoRight were excluded from notification, and you selectively notified editors who proposed, supported or willing to entertain an indefinite topic ban? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

As the user who indefinitely blocked GoRight, discussed unblocking conditions at great length, acceded to another admin's unblocking offer, and then participated in the community ban discussion, I would say that notifying me of this was a reasonable action; the above discussion seems to hash out any other potential canvassing concerns reasonably well. I think that this is very likely our proxy-abusing friend, which together with other behavioral concerns is likely to result in a block independent of any potential links with GoRight. I am concerned that superficial idiosyncracies are trivial to mimic and require only a little slogging to identify. Otherwise I do not really have anything to add, as the CU is already endorsed. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Why wasn't everyone who was involved contacted? Was anyone who was sympathetic to GoRight notified and encouraged to participate? We have specific policies to discourage this: WP:Canvassing and WP:Votestacking. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

SPI isn't a vote. Hipocrite (talk) 19:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Further, why would people symapthetic to GoRight have an opinion different than others on this issue? It seems you're arguing that if you agree without GoRight about content you would tend to exculpate him from sockery. I'm shocked that you assume such bad faith from people you agree with. Hipocrite (talk) 19:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

AQFK: when has anything ever been done even handed here? Why are you so surprised that canvassing is perfectly acceptable when one of the "good guys" does it? ATren (talk) 20:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)