User talk:Neutralhomer

Copyright issues

Well ... I see with a bit of research that the first Va historical markers went up in 1927, so you are not getting public domain by virtue of age. You may be able to show that copyright was not renewed, or that Va government works are PD for some reason or other. I would not bet on either. You may have to lose that image and the city seal.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

When I went up to the marker earlier, I didn't see any copyright, just where it came from, "Department of Conservation and Historic Resources, 1988" (the date at the end, I guess when it was installed). So, that wouldn't be a copyright, I don't think. As for the seal, I really don't understand this user's almost hatred for seals of towns and cities on FA pages. I have brought up that they have been used on other pages (Minneapolis comes to mind) of FA class, but that doesn't seem to make his opinion change any. I am not sure what he wants. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps post at WP:MCQ on the historic markers. We do not have freedom of panorama in the United Statues, but there may be some angle. Fasach Nua is stubborn, but he is very good with copyright issues. The point he is making is that the seal is purely decorative, it does not add anything to the reader's understanding of Stephens City. The fact that other FAs on cities have it is interesting, he would probably say, standards on fair use were not always enforced as strictly as they are today.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I will do that about MCQ. For the seal, I think since we are showcasing, essentially, a town, we should include its city or town seal. Decorative or not, it is unique to that town and that town alone. No two seals are like (that I have seen) and all have their own story. In some cases, whole pages could probably be written on the seal of a town. In nearby Winchester, their seal actually tells a story of the many countries that town was technically in, plus an indian for the indian hertiage that was in the Winchester area (not sure about Stephens City, no one has actually looked) before the Colonies started moving out this way in the 1700s. So they can tell stories, they can mean something. They are just pictures or images to make the page look pretty. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd talk to Fasach Nua and run that by him, it is his oppose you have to overcome. As for the historical marker, what about {{PD-US-1978-89}} ? You'd have to show it was not registered within five years, though.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

How would I show that? Get documentation from the now-called "Department of Historic Resources"? I just want to make sure. Oh and I did ask at MCQ as well. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The tag contains a link that takes you to a search engine. To satisfy Fasach Nua on this one, you will probably have to rephotograph both sides and prove there is no copyright notice on the darn thing.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I can do that. The rephotographing might be delayed until August 1. That is when I get paid and when I can get batteries. I can't afford much right now than the essentials, so I can't budget batteries at the moment. As I said on the FAC, from this photo, you can see the sign and the line at the bottom (photo not taken by me) clearly (VERY clearly in fact) but it is from the same side I took my picture. When I get paid (and some batteries for the camera), I will definitely go back out, take a picture of the other side of the sign and the bottom of each and post to commons. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I put the tag you recommended above on the image. If you want to give it a look-see and update it (it is on Commons) as you see fit, feel free. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:13, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest making sure this will satisfy Fasach Nua.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:33, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Stand by while I notify him of this conversation. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Notified. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks like Fasach Nua‎ has only edited once today, so I expect we won't get a response until tomorrow. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

This should interest you.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Neat little site, didn't know that exsisted, thanks! Doesn't even list a copyright on the website either. We are definitely in the clear on copyrights there. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

As I said at the Kent, Ohio FAC regarding city seals, since you will likely see them in many places if you visited a city or town, I see adding them to an article as providing an element of that particular place. Critical element? Not really, but definitely informative. From my understanding of the purpose of city articles is that they are to give a reader a general but still thorough idea of what to expect in a certain settlement. You'll see a city seal in a variety of places, so an argument can be made, in my opinion, that including them in an article is informative rather than simply decorative. Honestly though, I think the whole issue needs to br brought up elsewhere. A set policy needs to be developed from the WP:CITIES to either include them all or not include them rather than having it get to FAC and debated for every article. If it's going to get removed at FAC every time, what's the purpose of even having a parameter for it on the infobox? The same could be said for college/university articles that also include seals and logos that are definitely copyrighted or trademarked. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I think they even go further, like I said above and tell a story. With the one of Winchester, Virginia, they have each country the town (now city) was a part of, plus an Indian for the indian population in the town's area (not sure about Stephens City, nothing written on it) before Winchester was settled, so they aren't just pretty pictures, they are a unique part of that town or city's history. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

FA attempt on Stephens City, Virginia

I see you're going for FA status. Good luck with that; I told you quite sincerely that it's a great little article, and I hope you make it. 98.71.218.226 (talk) 15:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

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Economy Section

Looked over the sandbox page; I'd advise that you check your spelling and capitalisation. You probably should also rewrite a couple of sentences to avoid beginning them with numerals; I'd advise that you add one or more words or expand the sentences otherwise, because changing just two sets of numerals to words would be badly out of style with the rest of the statistical statements. Nyttend (talk) 02:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd advise the removal of more capital letters; you're capitalising many common nouns, such as types of occupations. Other than that, no suggestions; as I've never tried for an FA, it's possible that there are issues that would come up with FAs that I wouldn't know about. You may want to ask Ruhrfisch, who has several FAs under his belt. Nyttend (talk) 03:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably best to go (1) without capitals, since they're common terms, or (2) note that they're fitting into specific Census Bureau categories by those names, just as we capitalise racial names in the first paragraph of the standard Demographics section. I tend to go with (1), but this would be something to ask Ruhrfisch. Nyttend (talk) 03:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I am about to call it a night - my initial reaction is not to capitalize the terms, since they are common. If there is any question that this might cause problems, I would add a note (in the ref perhaps). The other thing that I would do is look at recent FAs on US cities and see if they do anything similar, then follow that model. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

If you have any reliable sources at all that can be used as refs for the statements you made on my talk page (most businesses outside of the city limits, some people commute as far as DC) I would add that to the section, even if it is just one or two sentences. Do not have time to reread the section right now, so apologies if this is already there. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Well, that was unexpected! Thanks very much! - Vianello (Talk) 04:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Comedy allusions

Well, I'm glad some small good came of my intervention. Unfortunately, this will all end in tears, I just know it. (I'd actually conclude with "I just fucking know it", only it would mar my allusion to another familiar line from a book you've probably read.) -- llywrch (talk) 04:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh well. It's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Something you can enjoy looking forward to. -- llywrch (talk) 05:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

For awarding me my own day!

On the userbox, it links to the wrong archive page. I'll see if I can fix it but I'm not too familiar with Userbox coding. N419BH 04:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks again! N419BH 04:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Double thanks...

I'm just taking a break. This has gone too far with this little asshole. Sorry about the indelicacy, but four years, four rangeblocks and all the other stuff I've endured with this is just too much for now. I'm going on vacation anyway next week. This'll give me time to get my head screwed on. Thanks for the kind thoughts. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)