Talk:Oldest people

Oldest people by nation is now out of date

many of the living people on this list have moved up the list and now are older then the oldest lived of other nations oldet people. and the barabdos person is older then the oldest greece person. and so on. but becasue its ranking them by amount of time lived its become out od date by a few months. 99.164.52.118 (talk) 04:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Addendum

Maybe this was discussed already in the past, but I was wondering if we really need to have an Addendum for each list. I may be wrong, but as far as I remember, disputed cases are claims accepted as true, for which a subsequent research raised some doubts. Until there is evidence that a previously accepted claim is false, though, the claim should be accepted as true, that is, no Addendum is due. Thus, having an Addendum seems to me a way to 'partially remove' claims that GRG and the others still accept, and this may not be within Wikipedia policies. I would appreciate some discussion on this issue. Thanks for your comments. Fbarioli (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree that a disputed definition should be accepted as true. If the dispute results from research by a reputable body, the entry is no longer undisputed and therefore should not be presented as fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.1.212.22 (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

115 years old woman died in Greece

Do we need to add this here? I can help with translation. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Unreliable. Where are the documents? "A supercentenarian is considered verified if his or her age has been verified by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research." Brendan (talk, contribs) 08:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if you can give a translation we might be able to find something. Do you know if there are records from the Greek government or some other body? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, her name was Angeliki Vourna (Greek: Αγγελική Βουρνά), she was from Filia (Φίλια) village in Messenia. She had 38 grandchildren, great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren. This newspaper mentions she had 9 children of which 6 are still alive, amongst them her two daughters 75 and 80 years old with whom she lived together. The rest are some info about how her life was and how she used to work till the end and so on. I'm sorry but nothing like official records or alike... A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

So she would be 35 at the birth of her oldest daughter. This is possible but looks a little bit high for the first child. Do you want to help validating and debunking SC-claimes from Greece? Then you can send me an email (you can find my adress under No. 9): http://www.grg.org/correspondents.html --Statistician (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that would be interesting. However sources don't mention that her 80 year old daughter was her first child, only that she lived with them two.I will mail you. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 13:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Izumi Shigechiyo

I feel that Mr. Izumi should be removed from the authenticated list. Keeping him on this list is disingenuous, to say the least. Even Guinness, in their 2011 GBOWR, has significantly backed-off their previous position on this claim (although they stop just short of renouncing it). Adding Mr. Izumi to a disputed list, and including a note following the current authenticated list is fine. The time has come to make the change; it only adds to the overall credibility of the verified & authenticated list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottnokes (talk • contribs) 19:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn`t we delete him? "Shigechiyo Izumi(120 years,237 days,June 29,1865-February 21,1986) appeared as oldest living person in the 1979 edition of Guinness and oldest person ever every year from 1980 to 1996,and usually thereafter as oldest man ever.However,his Guinness authentication has been largely discounted by scholars (including the one who brought him to their attention) despite Japanese authorities continuing to assert his authenticity.In the 2011 edition his recognition was effectively retracted." http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/oldest.html

New list: http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/oldest.html#3 --Statistician (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

If he is to be deleted from the list there should be a note about him somewhere otherwise users will keep asking where he is if not just going ahead and adding him back in. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

We need to have a discussion on this. It seems clear that his claim has been dismissed by the authorities who once verified his claim. He should therefore be taken off the lists he currently heads. And that should be done sooner, not later.

I have a suggestion here - we could have a small list of now-dismissed claims, which would have Izumi, Joubert, etc. Canada Jack (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

No, Canada Jack, that is far too sensible for WP folks. They'd rather delete the entries - repeatedly! -- cheers, Michael C. Price ^talk 18:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree to delete him ASAP, if the reference Statistician gave above is considered reliable. We may add him as a dismissed claim for some time, until people get used to him not being on the list. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Same here. If there is no longer any official source that accepts his claim, we should remove his name and, yes, there should be a mention about him, or other dismissed claims. After all, he deserves that: he fooled us for about 30 years! ;-) Fbarioli (talk) 15:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

So why the removal hasn't been done already?Japf (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckles

after febuary 1st frank buckles will be mentioned in this artical after he turns 110 and is part of the men over 110 list that is on this artical. this man is the last surviving world war 1 vetern. 69.208.10.149 (talk) 16:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

today is frank Buckles birthday he is 110 years old as of today. somebody please add him to the list of men over the age of 110. 99.164.52.118 (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

what about Józef Kowalski? he turned 110 last year and is alive 24.93.141.190 (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:RS and WP:ELNO

I have deleted a footnote and replaced it with a citation request. Louis Epstein's Oldest Human Beings list cannot be used as a footnote. It is not a reliable source. It's hosted on a page that, at the very top, disclaims its own accuracy --- and then advertises books --- before the lists even start.

I have deleted an external link to the same list per WP:ELNO #2 and #5. As noted above, the page disclaims its own accuracy (ELNO #2, for those of you keeping score at home) and advertises books (ELNO #5) before the lists even start.

I have deleted an external link to a Yahoo! group, per WP:ELNO #10, which specifically bars Yahoo! groups as external links.

If an editor disagrees with any of these deletions, please respond here rather than starting the customary revert/edit-warring, or please start a thread at WP:RSN, for a reality check from uninvolved editors who deal with WP:RS issues frequently.

These deletions present my fellow WOP WikiProject members with an opportunity to display lessons learned from the encouragement we are receiving from ArbCom that the project needs guidance from uninvolved, experienced editors, in order to bring the project up to at least minimal compliance with the norms, policies and guidelines that authorize WikiProjects. David in DC (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Be free to destroy the articles in the way you think better. I once believed that wikipedia was a source of knowledge. Now, I have realised that's the playground of unoccupied and dumb teenagers.Japf (talk) 14:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)