User talk:Aboutmovies

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thank you for your welcome message

I would like to thank you for your welcoming message as a new user to Wikipedia I need all the help with formatting and editing and categorizing and entering sources etc. thank you for your professionalism and dedication. --snejanac 10:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

• • I, too, say thank you for your welcome message, although I'm not really a new editor. I've been working on Wikiquotes for over a year. Since you are the first administrator on Wikipedia to contact me, perhaps you could look at the talk page for the article on President Barack Obama. I found a grammatical and factual error in a sentence tonight, while reading the article. Since it is locked, I offered a suggestion for text replacement on the talk page. I appreciate the greeting and hope to talk with you again. Carmaskid (talk) 07:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

It looks like you have your hands full. So my "thank you" will only cause a distraction. Thanks for taking time to pass on the informational note and the great advice. I need help I can get, and more time to digest the protocol. I have much more to add on Gigi Perreau ‘s page. Plus her daughter, Gina Marie Gallo Paris which made the movie “Fly me to the moon” and “Sammy’s Great Adventures’”. emil702 18:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks a million for adding images to so many NRHP stubs! --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

request for usurp

Hi, I am writing to you since you confirmed a welcome when I first signed on as ssp37097 on Wiki. I write to confirm that just a few minutes ago I created another account and requested a usurp of my old account. I am hoping that I did everything correctly. Would you please confirm? Thanks SSP (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield

Thank you for responding to my comments at Talk:Mark Hatfield. I think I may have found an answer to my question. Please see that Talk page for further details. --TommyBoy (talk) 02:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Thatcher, Oregon

Got pics? Valfontis (talk) 05:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Nope, but could probably make it out there soon. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Jus Reign

FYI... You assessed Jus Reign as class=start. I know the the difference between stub and start can be highly subjective. However, Reign's article contains no reliable references, thus cannot be labeled as a start. Bgwhite (talk) 20:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

FYI, sorry, but your interpenetration is simply wrong. Your view is a common mis-perception, but parse the actual criteria: "but the article should satisfy fundamental content policies such as notability and BLP, and provide sources to establish verifiability." The key word being should. As opposed to must. I understand you think it should be deleted, and I don't disagree, but the assessment doesn't factor into the equation (and for PROD purposes neither does no reliable sources found). So next time (and I am going to come off as a bit of an ass), before going in and reverting edits and leaving notes on a person who has over 100,000 edits which include roughly 25,000 assessments, I would suggest reading and completely understanding the guideline or policy you are discussing. Plus, if you feel an article is a certain, class, just add it when you are otherwise editing the talk page as you did. You were already there, and you seem confident you know what you are doing, so to quote a famous tag line - just do it. Otherwise, happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Care to comment?

About, you've commented here before: Template talk:Infobox law school. Care to chip in on the two questions I've raised?--S. Rich (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Corvallis, Oregon/Steve McQueen-Barbara Minty Connection

Hey there,

I have re-added Barbara Minty to the Corvallis, Oregon page as a notable resident. Research found on the Corvallis School District page, lists her as the class of 1971. I myself grew up in Corvallis and it was well known when I was growing up that a Corvallis resident went on to become a semi-successful model for Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, and Marie Claire who then married actor Steve McQueen. A couple resources are as follows:

http://www.csd509j.net/chs/history/alumni/alumni1.htm

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_295/barbara-minty/

Barbara Minty McQueen (Barbie McQueen) is VERY reclusive, and lives out in the middle of nowhere in Montana and in the last few years published a book on her marriage to the late actor.

I do archiving work for a fashion preservation page, and believe me it hasn't been easy to find a decent body of work on the internet to not only create a photographic album of her work (Vogue/Harper's Bazaar/Cosmopolitan covers and editorial work) for the fashion page site I am working on, but to interview her about that era of her life before her marriage and get some info out of her about how she ended up in Corvallis. Nothing sensational of course, just some memories. I have tried to contact Barbara a few times to not only interview her for the fashion website, but also because I wanted (and was hoping to be able) to flesh out her wikipedia page to make a clearer connection to her ties to Corvallis, and my emails haven't been returned. Former colleagues that worked with her in the fashion industry have said that she is a very private woman and keeps to herself and the memories of her late husband. Believe me, the website I am working on as far as archives go hasn't been easy because I literally am having to track down people who may not have the name recognition of Cindy Crawford/Lauren Hutton/Naomi Campbell, but within the circles of people they worked for are still revered and remembered, to ask for scans of women from their portfolios that would otherwise be lost to the interests of those who are curious about fashion history. It is frustrating because Conde Nast who owns Vogue literally asked all people involved on the site to remove any Conde Nast images, thus slimming down and removing altogether some people who's work is valued.

I just now as of this writing discovered that I could contact you directly here to leave this comment, after I re-added her. I was like WTF? So my plea on the Corvallis page is a little testy and I am asking forgiveness for my testy rudeness :) So, please let her remain as a resident as there is documented proof that she lived in my hometown.

No big deal. I see you added the info to her article about her being from Corvallis, thus the problem is solved. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Middleton, Oregon railroad photo

Hi, Aboutmovies. Just wondering .... There is no crossing in this recently uploaded photo, File:Railroad crossing at Middleton - Oregon.jpg. It's just a rail line. Did you mean to upload a different file? (I'm posting this message here, because you wrote on your Commons user page that you prefer to be contacted here.) SJ Morg (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I took the picture from the crossing, so yes, no crossing in the picture. Guess you'll have to imagine it in your mind as just to the right. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Oregon Reports

Hi there -- do you by chance have easy access to the Oregon Reports, specifically vol. 8? See User talk:Mtsmallwood#Request about Vallejo (ferry) -- seems like it could be a curious tidbit to add (or maybe not). -Pete (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I might, do you have the citation (8 Or. 101) or better yet a case name? Google Books has a lot of old "reporters" online, to which there are quite a few "Pacific Reports". The regional reporters would (actually still do) aggregate cases from several states, so many Oregon Reporter cases would be in there. Cite for it would likely be something like 28 P. 204. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know anything beyond what Mt told me on his talk page- might be worth asking him. I did some Googling on the terms I knew, but didn't come up with anything in Google Books. -Pete (talk) 08:59, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Why revert?

I in no way did a personal attack or called you names. You said "I am going to come off as a bit of an ass". I said, "Thank you for sounding like an Ass" as a reply that I agreed with your statement. You did sound like an ass by saying I've got so many edits so don't tell me what to do.

It is very condescending to say that I have so many entries so I know better and it is in no way a personal attack to tell you that. I've worked in a University setting for 20 years now. My secondary job is counseling students on abuse. Physical assaults by Profs on students. Verbal assaults. Unwarranted sexual advances. The worst is, "I'm a prof" you an idiot so I know better. Hey they are tenured profs, so there is nothing you can do. Saying I'm a lawyer and you are not so I know what is right is just the same as the profs and I abhor it. It is wrong behavior. Bgwhite (talk) 09:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Since your job is in part counseling, I believe one of the main responsibilities is to listen. As an an attorney (AKA counselor) it is my responsibility to listen (or read) to what clients and opposing counsel state. It is also incumbent upon me to ensure I hear the entire story and not cherry-pick the portions I want to focus on. I have to review and understand the entire argument. My argument was not "I've got so many edits so don't tell me what to do" but that must and should are two different words that when it comes to rules we treat differently. For comparison, review WP:BLP and note the use of must throughout, even in conjunction with should in the same sentence in the lede. But no matter what, you will disagree with me, and without you taking a class on legislation interpretation, you will never agree. We can quote dictionaries to the cows come home, as our very own Wiktionary says that one antonym for should is must. Or where it says "You should brush your teeth every day." Now you should, but there is nothing requiring one to do so (well maybe a parent). And I'm sure we could each find more. But when it comes to what laws (and for Wikipedia we just have guidelines/policies) should and must are very different. Now, in general, start class articles should have RS, but unlike the BLP policy, it is not must.

My "I have a bunch of edits" item was about your actions. As in see WP:DTTR in general. As in before you start reverting edits and leaving notes, you might want to ensure you are 100% correct, such as leaving a note about vandalism after an editor adds a bunch of random cuss words. Here, you feel should means must, yet I have had this conversation before and others have indeed backed me up (and as shown above Wiktionary does to, for whatever that is worth). Plus, the ratings criteria also employs the use of must, see the FA criteria. Again, that is another parsing tool taught when interpreting rules, as in if two terms are used, both are usually interpreted to mean different things.

Add the only relevant change to the start criteria was done by a single editor without discussion at the ratings template page, citing a discussion on another talk page where he raised the idea and nobody supported or commented on the change. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I keep seeing you pop up on my watchlist

		The Original Barnstar
		I was glad to see Columbia College (Oregon) get some work after I dumped it out as a stub. JORGENEV 06:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks!

All the best Qwin10 (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Parks in Portland

Got any more photos? Unfortunately, I can't help out too much (I took a few of other Portland landmarks today, however), but if I check Flickr again sometime, maybe new ones of the parks will pop up. I'll convince myself sometime to work on completing the columns in the tables in the list, but we still don't have a photo of every park. Jsayre64 (talk) 03:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

All the ones I've taken have been uploaded. When I come across parks and I have a camera I'll try to remember to snap a shot. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Help

Hi Aboutmovies, its Qwin10. I seem to have a problem. A user by the name of skol fir has sent me messages and deleted my edits claiming that they are vandalism. It appears that this user got upset because I found an error in one of his posts. I came to wikipedia because I believe in the project, but I really don't want to stay if my edits are not valued. Please help, thanks. Qwin10 (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Update, I have decided to leave wikipedia. This project is not worth the stress caused by some mean spirited users. Thanks again for the welcome. Take care. Qwin10 (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, if your first edit includes inserting "ding bonga ding glock" nobody is going to miss those edits. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The Right Stuff

Hello AM! I was hoping you would have some time for an interview for the our newsletter, The Right Stuff. Just a few questions about what makes WPOregon so successful. Thanks!

– Lionel (talk) 05:18, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

First Article

My first article is nearly complete, named Paul Shoup : I believe I have everything sorted out relating to copyrights: any suggestions on how to remove the hold on my page? I have a written release from the original writer, which I'm not sure has copyright anyway, as it's from a government document -and I had hired her to create the work. Regardless I have her release. What's the process to get this reviewed, and the page released from pending approval? Wjenning (talk) 06:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Read your page: see you are an Eagle Scout (so am I) and have a great interest in West Coast NRHP. I'd love your help in improving the article on Paul Shoup and Paul Shoup House - as these relate to my town and the house just made the NRHP. Wjenning (talk) 04:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian painter Bendik Riis

Suggested text for article Bendik Riis:

"Bendik Riis (1911-1988) was a Norwegian artist whose works are on display at Nasjonalmuseet.

Art created by Riis (while he was committed as a mental patients, against his own wishes) at Gaustad Sykehus, disappeared into the posssession of employees of the hospital, against the wishes of the artist according to Ketil Bjørnstad's biography about the artist.

Aftenposten said that the painting Castration (castration) from the 1950's is counted amnong his most important. "

Reference, Aftenposten, 2011-10-10, p. 7-kultur, by journalists Kjersti Nipen and Ingvild Berg

What do you think about the text?--155.55.60.112 (talk) 08:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest:

Bendik Riis (1911-1988) was a Norwegian artist whose works are on display at the National Museum of Art, Architecture and Design (Nasjonalmuseet). Works created by Riis while at the psychiatric Gaustad Hospital (Gaustad Sykehus) in Oslo, where he was committed against his will, disappeared into the possession of employees of the hospital. According to Ketil Bjørnstad's biography about the artist, these disappearances were also against Riss' will. The newspaper Aftenposten said that the painting Castration (castration) from the 1950s is counted among his most important.

This makes it clearer for English readers. I might suggest adding place of birth/death and any school or other biographical details as well. Otherwise, with this little info, no need for multiple paragraphs. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Copy edit request in article on Osama bin Laden

The article on Osama bin Laden had a request for copyediting in one section. I just added a possible revision to the talk page for the article. Could you take a look at it? I seem to have lost all the internal links by working in my text editor. How do I fix that?Carmaskid (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation

Hello Aboutmovies, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser here at the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign we're seeking out and interviewing active Wikipedians like yourself, in order to produce a broader and more representative range of "personal appeals" to run come November. If you'd like to participate in this project, please email me at amuszalskiwikimedia.org. Interviews are typically conducted by phone or Skype and take between 30-90 minutes. (Note: This invitation is open to any interested Wikipedian — If you're reading this, and would like to be interviewed as well, please contact me.) Thanks! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 04:46, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Question about WikiProject assessments

Hi. I've noticed you've rated a lot of biography articles for quality, so I thought you might be able to help me with a question I've wondered about for a while: When an article is rated on the quality scale for one WikiProject, such as WP:WikiProject Biography, should that rating automatically apply to all the WikiProjects the article is associated with? I know the importance rating differs from one WikiProject to another (I understand how a subject that rates as "top" priority in one WP can rate "low" in another), but it seems like the quality of the article itself is essentially the same regardless of the WikiProject. However, I've noticed most of the time, when an article is being rated, the assesser usually rates only one of the WikiProjects, so I was wondering if there was some policy discouraging rating all concerned WikiProjects "across the board" when assessing. I don't ever rate articles myself (although I will occasionally remove a "stub" or "start" rating I feel is obviously outdated so the article can be reassessed by someone more qualified than I), but I've wondered about this for a while, since I see some pages rated "B-class" in one WP while still rated "stub" or "start-class" in others. I guess basically what I'm wondering is: Once an article has been rated by someone qualified to assess it, is it ok if I update the quality rating for all the Wikiprojects associated with the article? Or is there some rule against doing that? Thanks in advance. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes and no. You are correct that essential the rating should be the same across projects. However, there are a couple problems. First, the project templates are "owned/maintained" by the projects, so ideally, only project members should be updating those templates. Not a huge issue, but some projects are more territorial than others. The other more significant problem is that assessments can actually vary slightly. I personally do not think they should, but here are a few examples of why they do: some projects use a modified version of the assessment scale. Specifically the military history people decided to increase the quality needed to get to B class (I personally think it was inane, and instead they could have spent more time just working on getting articles to GA, but whatever) so that a B class for Bio may not be for the military folks. Secondly, the other argument has been that an article that is say B class for WP Physics may only be a Start class for Bio, as what needs to be covered to complete an article could be different based on a projects focus. As in, say Bob was a physicist, and his article covers in-depth his hypothesis about dark matter, but doesn't even have basic info as to where/when he was born or where he went to school. The Physics folks might think the article is B class based on the coverage of the physics info, but for Bio it could only be start at best. Again, my personal thoughts would that the article would need to be start at best, as if any project thinks major parts are missing, then as a whole the article is incomplete.

Now on a practical level, rarely would someone care if another editor updated all assessments to match. I personally do so for each project I am a member of, so for instance if there was a law school dean in Oregon that I assessed, I would update for WP Oregon, WP Law, UP Uni, and WP Bio. Anyway, hopefully that answers your question. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That answers my question. Although I agree, it would make more sense for the same quality criteria to apply across all WikiProjects (to avoid confusion), I'm not looking to change the existing policies (and however they may differ). It was just something I've wondered about for a while, because I've noticed some WP assessers will rate all projects when they assess, but now that I think about it, when it's happened it's usually been "entertainment" and/or "awards" articles where the rating standard probably doesn't vary much (if at all).

I guess my follow-up question is this: Is it ok for me to remove a "stub" or "start" rating when it's obviously outdated? Again, I don't take it upon myself to rate articles (I prefer to spend my time writing articles, and simply don't have the time or inclination to check every reference/source to verify all key information, especially on articles with 30 or 40 or more sources), but when it comes to simply removing an obviously outdated rating, is that ok? For example, the Carroll O'Connor bio article, which was rated as "start" class over four years ago. I'm not saying it should be nominated as FA-class, but it's pretty obviously not "start" class anymore either - so is it ok to remove the "start" rating so the page can be reassesed? To me, an "unassessed" status is more accurate than a "start" rating from four years ago, but please correct me if I'm wrong. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Universities

Hi Aboutmovies, I saw your name listed in WP:Universities, so I thought I'd contact you. I recently nominated the article R.V. College of Engineering for GA, and it passed. Since the reviewer was not involved with WP:Universities, I thought I'd ask someone involved to have a look at it. Also, is it OK if I list the article on the main page of WP:Universities? Thank you, Lynch7 14:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

AfD of Wilson Hall (Oregon State University)

Hi. You tagged Wilson Hall (Oregon State University) for notability. I thought you might like to know that it's now at AfD here. andy (talk) 12:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Out of Date Article

Hello - the Lattice Semiconductor article is quite out of date. Who do I talk to about corrections?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.185.196.124 (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Sent you an email. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

wait, what?

Ouch, I'd expect it from Val, but from you?? Blood traitor! I'd turn you in for WP:NPA but I think you just have to turn in your Beavers' license. ;-) Anyway, we'll see what happens. I edited 'em when they were 1-11, I'll edit them again. But 11-1 is definitely more fun. The Webfoots may be looking at some sanctions anyway so we'll just hang around and see what happens. (P.S. Brett Nottingham's QB rating: 185.7. Luck: 167.5. Just sayin'). --Esprqii (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Just glad we can have some fun and move away from the COI/SOCK drama. As to Ducks and Beavers, I was a Duck fan good decade before I went to OSU. OSU just sort of happened. Now I can only hope the Beavs basketball has finally turned a corner and might get back to respectability. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll let you off with a warning then. I'd love to see the Beavs get back to hoops glory as well. It's been too long since the Ralph Miller/Gary Payton era. --Esprqii (talk) 23:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I am sure I will be using many of those links for help. Jpech95 (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I've made minor edits in the past, but never as a registered user. It did not take me long to discover that I like writing and editing pages on Wikipedia. I hope I can contribute in a meaningful way to this project.AJMacPherson (talk) 08:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Clear Creek Distillery

Hey, thanks for the help on the article. I was thinking of submitting to DYK on it with this draft. What do you think? Steven Walling • talk 21:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. An alt might be: ...that Stephen McCarthy used to make gun parts before starting fruit brandy maker Clear Creek Distillery? Aboutmovies (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

O. Paul Minneman page

We have spent some time cleaning up the headers (thank you for the note; we eliminated the links in the headers). We have also worked to clean up the tone. Let me know if there is more to do. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miklminn (talk • contribs) 01:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Ramblin' Rod

Just wanted to say thanks for uploading that photo of Rod. I was about to post one but you beat me to the punch. Thanks for saving me the trouble. I have yet to figure out how to upload images on Wikipedia. Cheers, man. Keep up the excellent work! Multnomahblues (talk) 12:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Ernst Busch Academy of Dramatic Arts

Hi, please add a mention of the Academy in the article Wolfgang Heinz to explain why you added it into this category. – Fayenatic (talk) 08:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah - thank you, – Fayenatic (talk) 08:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

:) Goldask2 (talk) 09:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I hope you won't take this the wrong way

I hope you won't take this the wrong way - I don't know you, and you are obviously a prolific contributor. However, the welcome message you left at User talk:Dannyvendramini is one reason the process isn't automated. That editor has exactly one edit - asking for help because he believes his wife has been libeled. The edit was hurtful, and the editor is not happy. Sending a "welcome" thanking him for his "contributions" isn't the right message. The editor may well be considering legal action, and the welcome message doesn't send the message that we care about his concerns. Again, I hope I haven't offended, but I think it is wise to take a glance at the contributions before sending a welcome message. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 02:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, but I simply have another philosophy. So many times the first message left on a user's talk page is a negative one, so anytime I see a redlinked user talk page I leave a message in order to try and have a better message, not to mention the useful links. Possibly in this case he used those links to seek the help he needed. As to any defamation issues and legal action, I fail to see the connection. This user was not the person who made the BLP violating statement, right? Therefor his contributions were useful and proper. As to libel, I really could not care less, as since I did not write the libeless statement, I have no exposure, and neither does Wikipedia. Certainly it can put a black eye on Wikipedia to those ignorant folks who do not understand defamation and US internet laws, but I would certainly hope it was explained to the editor that his sole recourse for any legal action that will not be laughed out of court is to sue the editor who wrote the statement. That is where the problem stems from, the editor who wrote the statement, and not anybody else, let's not lose sight of that. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Shawn Lindsay

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for North Pacific College

The DYK project (nominate) 13:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

TY!

well that was a pleasant message ^^ thankyou for the greeting and information, my only curiousity is what triggered that response? --Arkbg (talk) 07:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis

Hi Aboutmovies,

You wrote the following on my talk page:

"Please stop undo established editor's reversion of your page moves. We are not Facebook and any issues with Facebook are to be addressed via Facebook. Or, just leave it as is (as what the school needs to be named as per Wikipedia's naming conventions) and Facebook will eventual update their page. But that is Facebook's issue, not Wikipedia. On Wikipedia we follow our own rules and don't care much about what we call mirrors (which is what Facebook is doing in this instance). Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)"

Thanks much for the input. But please let me better explain the situation.

Although I did so prior to creating a Wikipedia user name, I wrote much of the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article. Also, I am the user who created the redirects that I recently attempted to change on a temporary basis.

As you can see, in addition to the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article, quite a few pages redirect to the the moved "Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law" article. Unbeknownst to me when I created those redirect pages, Facebook has a bug in that Facebook often can't distinguish between a main article and a redirect page. So Facebook often indexes redirect pages, and once it has done so, then refuses to index the main page because Facebook sees it as a duplicate. That is, although several of the redirect pages (that I created) are indexed in Facebook, the main article (Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law) has NOT been indexed. See http://www.facebook.com/319202238090899

I have written to Facebook repeatedly about this problem. All of my requests for help have gone unanswered, with one exception: On one occasion, a customer service rep wrote back and suggested "removing duplicates" from Wikipedia. Of course, that isn't so easily done. So instead, I followed the approach of removing the redirect and creating a "temporary" page for the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article, so that Facebook wouldn't see it (and pages redirected to it) as a duplicate of the main article. And since I closely monitor the main article and its related redirected pages, I had intended to revert the redirects as soon as the Facebook issue was resolved, or within a few weeks, whichever is sooner.

I completely AGREE with your position that the above is "Facebook's issue" and not a Wikipedia issue. Nonetheless, regardless of where the issue arises, it is the school (the subject of the article) that is suffering. And so I still hope to resolve a problem that I, in part, created.

The original objection (and reversion) occurred when I posted an article that merely read as follows: "This page has moved. Please see Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law." In hindsight, I see where that was not the best approach. However, I am now pursuing NEW approach that I believe 1) complies with Wikipedia guidelines, and 2) accomplishes the goal "eliminating duplicates" (on a temporary basis) from the standpoint of Facebook.

Although I maintain that my new alternative approach does not run afoul of any Wikipedia guidelines, I nonetheless concede that my new alternative approach still isn't ideal from a Wikipedia standpoint. But I ask for the editors' understanding in allowing me to pursue this new approach for a few weeks (no later than mid-February), which hopefully will be enough time to resolve the Facebook issue.

I very much appreciate your consideration and understanding.

Thanks!

Lexalt (talk) 03:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance

I apologize for bothering you but am seeking guidance about a page that was supported through an edit by you on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nicole_van_Dam - the underlying article is now up for deletion - I wanted you to know because I've worked so hard to keep it up to date, and would be sad to see it deleted. I'm willing to make changes to save it, and since this started (Dec 28) I've added more links and cites to bolster the page, but the situation seems to remain and I am not sure how best to resolve it other than by continuing to add more cites. Should I just sit and wait now? Any insights (critical or supportive) would be appreciated, as I would like to do this correctly. See Nicole van Dam, THANK YOU! for any advice you might have. Artmaestro (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)