Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2013

Greek Confirmation?

According to this article, record companies along with ERT are working together for Eurovision 2013.

http://www.escflashmalta.com/index.php/music-news/international-music-news/item/2070-greece-early-rumours-for-eurovision-2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.120.191 (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

It says "It seems that the collaboration between the record label (Universal Music) and ERT will continue", not a confirmation yet. Xelaxa (talk) 18:48, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Now we do have a confirmation on Esctoday: (http://www.esctoday.com/?p=38578) Xelaxa (talk) 16:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

seems that norway is withdrawing

nrk doesnt seem to be ready to admit it yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Where is the source what would confirm your words? Kirilloparma (talk) 01:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

it isnt public knowledge so far and until nrk is willing to reveal it there isnt any sources. i suggest that norway is put on the list of possible withdrawals.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

If there are no reliable sources, the information is not verifiable. Original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. Xelaxa (talk) 17:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

so, you will rather ban than listen.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, will the IP remain civil at all times to Wikipedians. Secondly, nobody mentioned anything about banning, so where on Earth did you get that idea from? Thirdly, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia as you will have noticed by now. Every piece of content you find on the millions of articles are voluntary contributions from a community of editors. Content needs to be cited using sources found on the internet to provide verifiability to the content, so that the general reader knows that we are providing factual evidence and not make-believe stories. You have already stated that NRK haven't published anything on the internet, and therefore without that proof we cannot verify that what is being told is true or not. If any editor added content based on original research then they'd be violating the core policies of Wikipedia and thus putting themselves under sanctions of bans etc. Do you really want to jeopardise an editor by demanding they publish your original research which would be in a violation of WP:NOT#OR? Now until there published evidence from a reliable source to confirm what you're telling us here, then Norway will not be placed as a withdrawal. Besides, we no longer have a section headed as "Possibles", as that is speculative header. Wesley♦^Mouse 18:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh and with two sources contradicting your theory ESCXtra and NRK informing the ever reliable ESCToday that a national selection is underway, then what you are reporting here is pure make-believe. A national broadcaster would not go to the financial troubles of a national selection only to withdraw from the contest. Now please, end this charade and get back to proper editing. Wesley♦^Mouse 18:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it too much Wes, this Norwegian user has been known to me for a long time, and has also posted threads speculating that Norway will withdraw in previous years. I have never seen the user respond constructively to requests to provide evidence for his/her claims, with the best example of this being the long running campaign to remove all reference to Oslo from the ESC 2010 article on a spurious basis - see Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2010, the FAQ, and the archives. While I do even now try and follow WP:AGF with him/her, there is a pattern which points to these threads being driven by a grudge against NRK. CT Cooper · talk 23:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

i dont hold a grudge against nrk but i dont want them to spread lies either. the fact remains however that they wont release any information this year so they might hold a national final but they most likely wont participate. as for eurovision song contest 2010 it was actually held in bærum and i know because i was there. i am always honest.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 02:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me IP user, but may I suggest that you have a read at WP:TPG and learn how to use talk pages properly for starters. You always seem to be adding your comments directly in line with other editors, rather than starting on a new line. Also you have never signed a comment yet. I've had to manually sign the last 3 messages on your behalf. Please in future end your comment with ~~~~ before posting it. Thank you.

Now in regards to what you are saying, you state NRK are spreading lies, yet there is nothing to back up your opinion here. So in all reality, it just looks like you're spreading lies, as you have never yet provided a source to confirm what you are saying. Now if there are no sources out there, then I strongly advise you to drop this barbaric episode, and concentrate on other areas. Wesley♦^Mouse 03:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

The IP may be "anti-NRK" here, but on the 2012 page we had speculative messages about them being confirmed. We have a source here saying (from NRK) that the final will be on 9 February, with "new" hosts. Spa-Franks (talk) 21:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Now we even know that EBU has determined Norway will participate in the second semi-final at the 2013 Contest.[1] Xelaxa (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Now that is interesting. How would we present this on the article? We now know Denmark are in semi 1, and Norway in semi 2. The rest we won't know until January. Do we footnote it? And its also interesting how the rules for the running order have been modernised too. I don't mind wording that into the article tomorrow, unless someone else fancies doing it before hand. Wesley♦^Mouse 02:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

It should either be footnoted or not mentioned until we are in position to split all the countries - the current duplication doesn't look right at all. In any case, it should also be explained why things are as they are rather than leaving readers to guess. CT Cooper · talk 22:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I added an explanation before the tables. Any opinions? Not A Superhero (talk) 18:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. CT Cooper · talk 19:31, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

New rules for the running order

There are a new rule for the running order. Can someone please add this information in a correct way: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=running_order_malmoe_2013_to_be_determined_by_producers /Hollac16 (talk) 15:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Added to the article. Not A Superhero (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese participation unknown due to economical crisis

Should we add Portugal to possible withdrawals?

Source - http://12points.tv/spain-calling/item/1218-silencio-in-portugal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

We no longer have a section for possible withdrawals/debuts/returns. Anything like that would get mentioned in the "Other countries" section. Although I vaguely recall a discussion 12 months ago regarding that website the you have sourced as being unreliable. SO I would be inclined to treat that as dubious anyway. Wesley♦^Mouse 14:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Greece are confirmed for Eurovision 2013

esctoday.com have confirmed Greece's participation.

http://www.esctoday.com/?p=38578 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Source has already been added to the article. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

San Marino

ESCToday are reporting San Marino are most likely to be in Malmo and details on their selection process to be announced shortly. Part of me thinks it would be safe to add to the participants table, yet the other part of me says to add to "other countries" for now. Any views on this? Also (and off topic, but nevertheless), it is looking very likely that a participation record will be broken in 2013. With only Montenegro, Poland, and Portugal still to announce, it is looking like 2013 could have 44 nations. Wesley♦^Mouse 13:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I think that as long as is possible add it to the participants table, to not officially but we'll see, maybe in a few days will be official information. Kirilloparma (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

If not San Marino will be added with this soruce, then Bosnia and Slovakia must be taken away from the list. Their sources also says only "it is most likley that XXX will be in Malmö in 2013." /Hollac16 (talk) 15:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Moldovan artist and song to be selected February/March

Esctoday have reported TRM have stated their national selection is likely to be in February or March.

http://www.esctoday.com/?p=38665 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Ukrainian National Final moved to December

According to Oikotimes, NTU have changed the date to December 2012.

https://oikotimesofficial.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/ukraine-2013-nf-date-changed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 22:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Belgian entry to be selected December 16th

According to escxtra.com Roberto's song is apparently being chosen next month.

Source - http://escxtra.com/2012/11/national-final-on-december-16th/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.12.221.40 (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

The original source is an audio file on RTBF's website, where Roberto himself says (in French) the national final will be held on December 16th: http://www.rtbf.be/info/medias/detail_roberto-bellarosa-le-gagnant-de-the-voice-choisi-pour-l-eurovision?id=7875573 Xelaxa (talk) 17:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Poland not returning to Eurovision 2013.

TVP have officially confirmed they won't be returning to the Eurovision Song Contest next year.

http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39143 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 11:47, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

This information has already been added to the article Kirilloparma (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Just a polite note; please don't put guillemet quotes around organization names. Quotes are not placed around organization names in English in any case, and this particular type of quote mark isn't used in English at all and is likely to cause confusion among readers. CT Cooper · talk 19:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Montenegro confirm Eurovision 2013 participation.

They have confirmed to esctoday.com

Source - http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39161 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Already added. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 18:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Portugal withdraws from the 2013 edition

Nov. 22: ESCToday has confirmed that Portugal will not be participating in the Eurovision Song Contest set to be held in Malmo, Sweden.

Source - http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39164 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velcrog (talk • contribs)

Done. Also please sign your posts by using the signature icon in the toolbar or by typing ~~~~. Thanks. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Portugal will NOT compete!

Portugal will not be in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013! http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39164 /Hollac16 (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Already done. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Why did you remove Portugal from the list? It was confirmed through ESCToday, that I won't be making an appearance in Malmö... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.164.245.90 (talk) 07:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

That's more like it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.164.245.90 (talk) 08:04, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Please be more careful and look at the articles History, non of my edits removed Portugal. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 12:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Alleged Slovak Withdrawal?

is it possible for Slovakia to withdraw?

http://eschungary.hu/eurovizio-2013/szlovak-nem-az-eurovizio-2013-ra/

Shadowtiger97 (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Slovakia has until the closing date (around December) to consider participating or not, but currently with reliable sources, Slovakia is 'most likely to be in Malmo'. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:58, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

escXtra is reporting that Slovakia remains to be undecided for Malmö. Article on escXtra Dfizzles (talk) 23:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

eurovision.tv havent confirmed that portugal is withdrawing.

therefore i suggest that it is added to possible withdrawals until they confirm it there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 11:04, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think, and looking through Eurovision.tv, that they did not announce that Poland withdraw from last year (unless the tags are wrong), so we might me waiting a long time. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

It is possible they would not tell about a withdrawal a corporate website. Xelaxa (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Considering ESCToday made the announcement, then I'd say Portugal have withdrawn. ESCToday pride themselves on a high standard of accuracy and verifiability. Eurovision.tv rarely announce withdrawals until they publish the official list in December. Wesley♦^Mouse 13:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

A question

When will it be most approateiate to add the section of the diagram with "english translation"? Sorry, if I'm hard to understand :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.212.224.149 (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Maybe when we have the first song. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Maltese National Final

Maltese National Final on January 2013!

http://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/malta-69-semi-finalists-announced/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by EuromaniaC (talk • contribs) 17:38, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

ESCToday claimes that five countries have NOT confirmed participation!

Today ESCToday publish a report (here [[2]]) says that five countries (FYR Macedonia, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain) have NOT confirmed its participation for 2013. So, should these countries be remowed until safer confirmation will be anonunced? /Hollac16 (talk) 22:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Slovakia has not made a decision yet, they'll do next week. Slovenia has applied but did not have paid the fee yet because they don't have the money for it. If they can't find the money before 15th December, Slovenia is out. Of the other I don't know anything. 81.241.141.249 (talk) 07:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, now Macedonia have confirmed [3], four to go. Where is it said that it is 15 December which is the deadline for countries to sign up for 2013? /Hollac16 (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2012 (UTC)