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::Exactly.[http://www.fitzroyfc.com.au/lions.html "This merger of the club operations of Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears at the AFL level, formed the Brisbane Lions"] sums it up.. calling it a merger when minutiae isn't required is reasonable. Seems more reasonable than denying any Fitzroy involvement in the Lions' formation.
::Exactly.[http://www.fitzroyfc.com.au/lions.html "This merger of the club operations of Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears at the AFL level, formed the Brisbane Lions"] sums it up.. calling it a merger when minutiae isn't required is reasonable. Seems more reasonable than denying any Fitzroy involvement in the Lions' formation.


The fact the Bears took over Fitzroy's AFL operations in 1996, as the result of an agreement signed between Fitzroy and the Bears during that year, doesn't somehow make it a merger either.
The fact the Bears took over/absorbed/merged Fitzroy's AFL operations in 1996, as the result of an agreement signed between Fitzroy and the Bears during that year, doesn't somehow mean the clubs merged, does it.


Fitzroy were involved as far as the administrator at the time, before we came out of administration, allowing Brisbane to take control of our AFL operations by way of that agreement. But Fitzroy never ceased operation in our own right. The agreement was not a merger.
Fitzroy were involved as far as the administrator at the time, before we came out of administration, allowing Brisbane to take control of our AFL operations by way of that agreement. But Fitzroy never ceased operation in our own right. Hence no merger between the clubs.


[[Special:Contributions/121.210.232.42|121.210.232.42]] ([[User talk:121.210.232.42|talk]]) 04:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/121.210.232.42|121.210.232.42]] ([[User talk:121.210.232.42|talk]]) 04:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


Since the Fitzroy Football Club still exists, and is not in any way part of the Brisbane Lions Football Club, clearly it is factually incorrect to say they "merged". This isn't an argument about details within any 'merger'. There was no merger. The continued existence and operation of Fitzroy FC proves that beyond any possibility of doubt.
Since the Fitzroy Football Club still exists, and is not in any way part of the Brisbane Lions Football Club, clearly it is factually incorrect to say they "merged". The continued existence and operation of Fitzroy FC proves that beyond any possibility of doubt.


If Fitzroy had merged, we wouldn't still exist as an independent club, would we?
If Fitzroy had merged with Brisbane to form one club, we wouldn't still exist as an independent club, would we?


I honestly don't see how you're missing this fundamental point.
I honestly don't see how you're missing this fundamental point.


Whether or not X number of pages on Google claim there was a merger is entirely irrelevant to this. It wouldn't matter in the slightest even if you had thousands of such pages claiming Fitzroy doesn't exist outside of the Brisbane Lions. The club clearly does continue to operate, and is not at all a part of Brisbane.
Whether or not X number of pages on Google claim such a merger somehow took place is entirely irrelevant. It wouldn't matter in the slightest even if you had thousands of such pages claiming Fitzroy ceased to exist outside of the Brisbane Lions. The club clearly does continue to operate, and has never been a part of Brisbane.


[[Special:Contributions/121.210.232.42|121.210.232.42]] ([[User talk:121.210.232.42|talk]]) 17:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/121.210.232.42|121.210.232.42]] ([[User talk:121.210.232.42|talk]]) 17:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Clear errors of fact corrected about Fitzroy in this article

It's a matter of public record that the Fitzroy Football Club still plays in its own right, albeit not in the AFL - now in the VAFA - and is not a part of the Brisbane Lions. Hence any claim that Fitzroy no longer competes as a club and somehow merged with Brisbane is not true and shouldn't be posted as such in Wikipedia articles like this one.

What is true is that Brisbane took over the AFL operations. As detailed by Fitzroy on the club's website (http://www.fitzroyfc.com.au), and within Wikipedia itself for a long time now in the entry about the Fitzroy Football Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzroy_Football_Club). And both the club website and that Wikipedia entry clearly show that Fitzroy still exist and compete as a club on the field.

Since Fitzroy obviously still exist as a club, both on and off the field, it is simply false to claim that 1996 was the club's last season, and false, for instance, to say that Boyd was the club's last captain. So I've corrected these points.

121.210.232.42 (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Fitzroy Football Club article says there was a "merger of its AFL playing operations". You don't seem to object to that wording or else you'd have changed it. There's nothing factually incorrect in saying they "merged". The exact details of the merge are irrelevant on an article about a player. In fact, 420 articles on the official AFL website refer to it as a merger.[1]. Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly."This merger of the club operations of Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears at the AFL level, formed the Brisbane Lions" sums it up.. calling it a merger when minutiae isn't required is reasonable. Seems more reasonable than denying any Fitzroy involvement in the Lions' formation.

The fact the Bears took over/absorbed/merged Fitzroy's AFL operations in 1996, as the result of an agreement signed between Fitzroy and the Bears during that year, doesn't somehow mean the clubs merged, does it.

Fitzroy were involved as far as the administrator at the time, before we came out of administration, allowing Brisbane to take control of our AFL operations by way of that agreement. But Fitzroy never ceased operation in our own right. Hence no merger between the clubs.

121.210.232.42 (talk) 04:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since the Fitzroy Football Club still exists, and is not in any way part of the Brisbane Lions Football Club, clearly it is factually incorrect to say they "merged". The continued existence and operation of Fitzroy FC proves that beyond any possibility of doubt.

If Fitzroy had merged with Brisbane to form one club, we wouldn't still exist as an independent club, would we?

I honestly don't see how you're missing this fundamental point.

Whether or not X number of pages on Google claim such a merger somehow took place is entirely irrelevant. It wouldn't matter in the slightest even if you had thousands of such pages claiming Fitzroy ceased to exist outside of the Brisbane Lions. The club clearly does continue to operate, and has never been a part of Brisbane.

121.210.232.42 (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]