Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts

Notability change notice

A proposed change to the MMA Fighter notability has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability#Changing Notability. Please review the discussion and feel free to comment if you think it is appropriate. Hasteur (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

World Mixed Martial Arts Association

A section has been added to Mixed martial arts under the Legality of professional competitions which reads like a press release and makes unsubstantiated claims: "World MMA Association is the only organization that manages and develops mixed martial arts in the world, establishes rules and procedures governing amateur MMA competitions. World MMA Association includes national MMA organizations, representing the sport and registered in accordance with national law."

A news search on the org. only brings up a couple articles from Azerbaijan talking about the first event promoted by the WMMAA in Baku. This strikes me more as an attempt at advertising than anything else. Thoughts?--Phospheros (talk) 20:07, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I removed the blatant copyright violation and turned an external link into an actual reference. I do agree that the opening text reads like an advertisement and I suspect it's probably a copyright violation as well but a cursory look did not reveal anything. The section needs more work. SQGibbon (talk) 22:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Should Womens MMA get a separate article?

Does anyone think that Women's Mixed Martial arts should get a separate article or not I think its notable.Dwanyewest (talk) 10:14, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't really "work here" lately, but I don't see the point. Genitals aside, the women play the same sport, by the same rules (aside froms shirts and jockstraps), in the same promotions (other than Invicta). Seems a bit pointless to distinguish the topics. Different for sports with separate leagues and collegiate systems. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:39, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

That's weird. The article was redlinked before I posted, and blue after. Guess it's a moot point. Won't argue for deletion. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:42, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Moved it slightly, just for capitalization. If there was a Women's Ultimate Fighting Championship, caps would work. Not for generic sports, like mixed martial arts, baseball or rugby. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:58, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

I also think Women's MMA should redirect to Women's Mixed Martial arts as I think its a common abbreviation for the subject. Dwanyewest (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Reversed Asian names.

Is there a policy (MMA or general) about whether we spell Asian fighters' names frontwards or backwards? We have Takanori Gomi, but Zhang Tiequan, and The Ultimate Fighter: China goes one way for the contestants and the other for the UFC guys and coaches. If there's no policy, can we agree to write in English, for this English encyclopedia? InedibleHulk (talk) 10:29, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

According to WP:JATITLE, we always should use the ocidental order (given name + family name) for modern people (born after 1868). However, this only applies to Japanese people. It may be also worth looking at WP:MOSCHINA. Poison Whiskey 14:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I will. Korean names also seem totally Westernized here, MMA and otherwise. Seems odd to hold Chinese to a different standard. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:10, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

The policy for ALL articles is to use the English common name as used by most reliable English-language sources that cover the subject. See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:EN. When an entity doesn't have an established common name in English, then it is favored the name used in other Latin-character based languages or where the majority of sources cover said entity. When those also do not have an established common name, then the specific guidelines for each language apply. In the case of Zhang, his name should be reversed since the majority of reliable English sources use Tiequan Zhang and I believe there is an established use of that name in them. When in doubt, remember that WP:AT is a policy, so it has precedence over all Manuals of Styles and most other guidelines. Jfgslo (talk) 23:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep, for titles. For the names in the TUF: China article, AT and COMMONNAME don't hold so much weight. At that article, another editor and I've decided to use whatever style UFC uses, since the secondaries are a bit of a mixed bag. Less consistent in text, but more consistently sourced.

I agree the policy strongly suggests we should have a Tiequan Zhang article instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:57, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

You are right, fighters in the TUF: China most likely don't have enough notability to have their own article yet, so here naming conventions (WP:EN) and MoS guidelines apply. Checking the history of Zhang, the article was created in 2010, before he was fighting in the UFC or even WEF, so there wasn't much coverage in English sources, so his article title was correct at the time, although I'm not sure about his inclusion in Wikipedia since I don't think he met notability at the time. Anyway, you can do the move yourself if you want to. Check WP:MV. If you are unable, you can request the move at WP:RMT. I think it would be an uncontroversial technical request. Jfgslo (talk) 02:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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