Talk:Iffley Road rugby football ground: Difference between revisions
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Words fail me. Really. Have you never heard of Oxford University? Do international rugby union matches not count for something?[[User:GordyB|GordyB]] ([[User talk:GordyB|talk]]) 19:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC) |
Words fail me. Really. Have you never heard of Oxford University? Do international rugby union matches not count for something?[[User:GordyB|GordyB]] ([[User talk:GordyB|talk]]) 19:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:Yes, oddly enough I have; I studied there for 3 years, a few hundred metres from this ground. Have you heard of [[WP:COPYVIO]]? Many thanks to {{u|Sionk}} for noticing that, and dealing with the worst of it; I should have seen it straight away, as it's what brought me to the previous incarnation of this article in the first place. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 01:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
:Yes, oddly enough I have; I studied there for 3 years, a few hundred metres from this ground. Have you heard of [[WP:COPYVIO]]? Many thanks to {{u|Sionk}} for noticing that, and dealing with the worst of it; I should have seen it straight away, as it's what brought me to the previous incarnation of this article in the first place. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 01:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::I've heard of WP:COPYVIO but evidently you have not heard of [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Avoid_copyright_paranoia].[[User:GordyB|GordyB]] ([[User talk:GordyB|talk]]) 19:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::I don't think that the term [[stadium]] is necessarily inappropriate. My OED says "an athletic or sports ground with tiers of seats for the spectators" - there is tiered seating, it's along the eastern side, mostly under cover. There is no requirement that the tiered seating completely surround the ground - indeed, [[Kassam Stadium]], also in Oxford, has seating on three sides - there is no spectator facilities at all at its western end. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
::I don't think that the term [[stadium]] is necessarily inappropriate. My OED says "an athletic or sports ground with tiers of seats for the spectators" - there is tiered seating, it's along the eastern side, mostly under cover. There is no requirement that the tiered seating completely surround the ground - indeed, [[Kassam Stadium]], also in Oxford, has seating on three sides - there is no spectator facilities at all at its western end. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I think that's arguable, yes, though I think many people would expect a stadium to be something more like [[:File:Wembley Stadium interior.jpg|this]]; I also think it is incontrovertibly a playing-field, so I've replaced "stadium" with that word. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 11:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
:::I think that's arguable, yes, though I think many people would expect a stadium to be something more like [[:File:Wembley Stadium interior.jpg|this]]; I also think it is incontrovertibly a playing-field, so I've replaced "stadium" with that word. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 11:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
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This should never have been deleted. To say that this was done summarily and without reason is putting it mildly. Had the Wikiprojects Rugby Union and Rugby League been informed that this was up for deletion then it would have survived easily. The stadium was dismissed as a "non-notable football (sic) stadium" despite having hosted international rugby union matches, being the home of Oxford University's rugby union team (games vs Cambridge are televised) and hosting the one of only five semi-professional rugby league sides in the South of England.GordyB (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC) Oh and contains a listed building.GordyB (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- @GordyB: The article was deleted because it was put up for WP:PROD on 13 March 2014; the PROD expired on 20 March 2014 without it being contested, so it was deleted - here's the log entry. The WikiProjects were informed, through the Article Alerts system: here are the notifications for Union and League. Both were posted at 12:00 on 14 March 2014. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:24, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- THe thing being is that nobody looks at the automatic notifications. It's normal protocol to message the project if there is a doubt about notability.GordyB (talk) 21:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- If nobody looks at them, why do we have them? But somebody at WP Rugby Union and WP Rugby League must want the Article Alerts notifications, otherwise they wouldn't have signed up for them in the first place.
- Anyway, the person to complain to is the person who put it up for PROD, which was Justlettersandnumbers (talk · contribs). --Redrose64 (talk) 22:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Redrose64, for the ping, and for explaining to GordyB a bit about how things work. A few comments:
- rugby football is a kind of football
- despite what is written in the article, there is no stadium at this address; it's a football ground
- the article has no references whatsoever
- our criteria for notability in this wiki are fairly clear; I believe that the only one that might apply here is WP:GNG, and the topic as described certainly doesn't meet that
- so I've nominated it for deletion
- Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Redrose64, for the ping, and for explaining to GordyB a bit about how things work. A few comments:
- THe thing being is that nobody looks at the automatic notifications. It's normal protocol to message the project if there is a doubt about notability.GordyB (talk) 21:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Words fail me. Really. Have you never heard of Oxford University? Do international rugby union matches not count for something?GordyB (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, oddly enough I have; I studied there for 3 years, a few hundred metres from this ground. Have you heard of WP:COPYVIO? Many thanks to Sionk for noticing that, and dealing with the worst of it; I should have seen it straight away, as it's what brought me to the previous incarnation of this article in the first place. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
- I've heard of WP:COPYVIO but evidently you have not heard of [1].GordyB (talk) 19:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think that the term stadium is necessarily inappropriate. My OED says "an athletic or sports ground with tiers of seats for the spectators" - there is tiered seating, it's along the eastern side, mostly under cover. There is no requirement that the tiered seating completely surround the ground - indeed, Kassam Stadium, also in Oxford, has seating on three sides - there is no spectator facilities at all at its western end. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think that's arguable, yes, though I think many people would expect a stadium to be something more like this; I also think it is incontrovertibly a playing-field, so I've replaced "stadium" with that word. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Magazine article
On the "eminently non-notable football stadium" published in Rugby League World (available on-line here http://www.totalrl.com/2728296/ ).GordyB (talk) 20:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Oh and the BBC call the stadium "historic" in this article ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19637094 ).GordyB (talk) 20:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Sky prefer "iconic". ( http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/boots-n-all/news/8601763/kevin-whately-explains-why-oxford-rugby-league-can-be-successful )GordyB (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- They seem to be getting it confused with the staium where the 4-minute mile barrier was broken. Sionk (talk) 23:36, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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