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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 7, 2014.

List of World War II aces from Czechia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy deleted. G8: target deleted (per A10); also created as part of a POV-pushing campaign. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

• List of World War II aces from Czechia → List of World War II aces from Czech Republic (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

non-existant country The Banner talk 22:46, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Kommentar. Actually, not so. See Name of the Czech Republic. The Whispering Wind (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
  • During the Second World War there was no Czechia or Czech Republic, only Czechoslovakia. The Banner talk 23:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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List of Chief Ministers of Sarawak/version 2

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. (Non-admin closure) — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 20:37, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

• List of Chief Ministers of Sarawak/version 2 → List of Chief Ministers of Sarawak (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Unlikely search term, and no links to it from other articles. It had some edit history to it, but that has since been merged into the main article. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 20:08, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• It's best to retain pages with merge history; see WP:MAD. You could request a histmerge, though. --BDD (talk) 00:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I already did the histmerge. There's no significant edit history left at this redirect. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 04:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6: non-controversial maintenance. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:12, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. --Lumi (talk) 10:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Playground (Lindsay Lohan song)

• Playground (Lindsay Lohan song) → Lindsay Lohan (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Delete, as this is not mentioned in the article. The song's mentioned in two other articles - Pharrell Williams production discography and Wild Child (film) - but leaving it to search results would be better as it would find both, and apart from the current target there's no article that this title clearly belongs to. Peter James (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I was thinking it would make sense to retarget to Wild Child (film)#Soundtrack, but the song wasn't actually on the soundtrack. I don't really know where the song comes from; it's not on Allmusic. --BDD (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete: there is no appropriate target right now. Probably WP:RED applies (didn't look for sources). — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete: nominator's reasoning makes sense.

Yugoslavian language

• Yugoslavian language → Serbo-Croatian (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Retarget or disambiguation w/ mentioning also Macedonian and Slovenian Lumi (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep: this was the official language of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Information is available both there and in target article. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

It was Serbo-Croato-Slovene, and in 1945-1990 Yugoslavia it was SC, Slovene and Macedonian. Not SC only. --Lumi (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

It was "Serbo-Croato-Slovene" in Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (1918–1929); when the Kingdom changed its name to Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the language was renamed into Yugoslavian (1929–1944). I don't think the topic of languages in Yugoslavia requires disambiguation, but if consensus is that it does, such page may be created; in this case hatnote should be left in Serbo-Croatian article. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 15:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree with you, we should mention also Slovene and Macedonian. We should make consenzus here for sure. --Lumi (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I added a hatnote to Serbo-Croatian and tagged redirect with {{R from historic name}}. I think this is it. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Now looks fine. Thanks. --Lumi (talk) 10:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

For the record: hatnote was removed. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 16:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that nationalistic Serbian shit User:No such user removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.77.241.250 (talk) 19:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

• Disambiguate. Both Serbo-Croatian and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia briefly mention different facts about "the" Yugoslavian language, but my gut instinct is that most searchers that hit this redirect are trying to understand what languages were spoken in the country most recently called Yugoslavia, not learn about Serbo-Croatian when it was officially called Yugoslavian (i.e. from 1929 to 1945, according to Kingdom of Yugoslavia). It would serve readers better to clarify the different meanings that may have been intended. Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia#Languages lists the three main languages, Serbo-Croatian, Slovene language and Macedonian language. A disambiguation page should at a minimum clarify that the term may refer to (1) one of the SFRY's three main languages (linking to Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia#Languages) or (2) the Kingdom of Yugoslavia's officially-named Yugoslavian language (linking to Kingdom of Yugoslavia), though it could also reasonably include three more links to the three main languages. Agyle (talk) 04:22, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
  • FWIW neither Slovene nor Macedonian were ever referred to as Yugoslavian, so saying that the term may refer to them would be misleading. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 05:21, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Yugoslavian currently redirects to Yugoslavia, and would be another issue. And while Slovene and Macedonian were never called Yugoslavian (the noun), they were referred to as Yugoslavian languages (Yugoslavian being an adjective, as well). Sometimes they still are, though "former Yugoslavian language" or "ex-Yugoslavian language" seem more common. Agyle (talk) 08:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I would agree if discussion was about Language of Yugoslavia, but titles "[Country name]ian language" normally refer to the language name, not the list of languages. As an example, Russian language is an article about the Russian language, and it does not have hatnotes about other official languages of Russia (compare Article 68 of Constitution of Russia to Article 42 of Constitution of Yugoslavia). Israeli language redirects to Hebrew, although Arabic is also official in Israel and Yiddish also exists. Disambiguation could be appropriate if Yugoslavian language would not exist, eg. like in case with American language or Canadian language (although Soviet language page does not even exist, so even for non-existing demonym-based titles this scheme does not apply consistently); but so Yugoslavian is rightful alias to Serbo-Croatian, this is not the case here IMO. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 09:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Serbian Cyrillic language

• Serbian Cyrillic language → Serbian Cyrillic alphabet (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

I'd like deletion, because it's not known as language, and probably unlikely search term. Lumi (talk) 11:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep: this is likely search term, because in various operating systems the language selectors include Serbian Latin and Serbian Cyrillic, so one can conclude that "Serbian Cyrillic" is yet another dialect of Serbo-Croatian language. Given that every dialect of Serbo-Croatian is called "language" these days, the search term appears reasonable. The target article helps with fixing this possible misconception. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, dialects are dialects, and languages are languages. Everybody know that dialects are Shtokavian, Eastern Herzegovinian etc., and they are not called language. Same for Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian, they are considered languages, not dialects. And Serbian Cyrillic is not language, nor dialect. Cyrillic is known as wiriting script (letters). Redirect should be deleted. --Lumi (talk) 13:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but your claim about Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is opinionated: their status is subject to long-running argument, and I would ask you to avoid engaging me into discussion about the one true position in this argument. A language is a dialect with an army and navy. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• This exists because of {{Lang-sr-Cyrl}} links to it, it can't be deleted trivially without adjusting that, and the language templates have some sort of a logic that caused the redirect to be created. I fail to see why this came to the chopping block, because it's entirely innocuous... --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• I figured it out - the user account which nominated this appears to be a sockpuppet of a known abuser. *sigh* --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Moldavien

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Moldovan language. The default for redirects is to keep. This is a long-standing redirect, over 5 years old and the view of the commentators is that it is a plausible typo. Such redirects are only deleted if they are in some way harmful. WP:RFD#HARMFUL states "Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.". Conversely, deleting could be harmful due to breaking long-standing external links. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 12:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

• Moldavien → Moldova (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

This is in a language which is not official in the country mentioned in the article. Thus it should be deleted TheChampionMan1234 11:24, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to Moldovan language: it is a likely typo in alternative name of the language – Moldavian. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect per Dmitrij D. Czarkoff. --Lumi (talk) 13:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect to Moldovan language per Dmitrij D. Czarkoff. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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Giappone

• Giappone → Japan (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

This is in a language which is not official in the country mentioned in the article. Thus it should be deleted. TheChampionMan1234 11:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete this is neither in Japanese, romanization of Japanese, or English, therefore is a name with little affinity for Japan. WP:NOT a translation dictionary. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Republic of Japan

• Republic of Japan → Japan (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Japan isn't even a republic. TheChampionMan1234 11:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Weak keep: not an unlikely search term though. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Keep - Maybe I'm an idiot, but the Japanese people elect a group of people who then govern the country. Isn't that exactly what a republic is? Ego White Tray (talk) 20:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Japan is a constitutional monarchy as is the UK who also "elect a group of people who then govern the country". :-) The Whispering Wind (talk) 23:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

And a constitutional monarchy is also known as a crowned republic. In every way that matters, Japan is a republic - the presence of a ceremonial Emperor with not governing powers doesn't change that. Ego White Tray (talk) 05:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Monarchy and republic are two (mutually exclusive) forms of government. The system where "people elect a group of people who then govern the country" is called democracy. "Constitutional monarchy" is strict subset of "monarchy" with no intersection with "republic". "Crowned republic" is a [very misleading] wording from the historical context of downfall of monarchies; it only serves descriptive purpose and does not make "constitutional monarchy" a subset of "republic". — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 08:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Giapan

• Giapan → Japan (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

This is in a language which is not official in the country mentioned in the article. Thus it should be deleted TheChampionMan1234 11:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete this is neither in Japanese, romanization of Japanese, or English, therefore is a name with little affinity for Japan. WP:NOT a translation dictionary. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Lenticel ^(talk) 01:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Jography

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. The default for redirects is to keep. This is a long-standing redirect, over 6 years old and the view of the commentators is that it is a plausible typo. Such redirects are only deleted if they are in some way harmful. WP:RFD#HARMFUL states "Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.". Conversely, deleting could be harmful due to breaking long-standing external links. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

• Jography → Geography (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] TheChampionMan1234 11:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Apparently there are several books claiming that this is very plausible spelling mistake. I also found a blog of this name, using the word in some different sense. I am not sure whether WP:RFD#DELETE criterion 8 or WP:RFD#KEEP criterion 2 apply here. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Keep - Typing "Jography" into the Google search bar brings up the correct spelling "Geography" immediately in the drop-down menu. This is a plausible spelling error, especially for children who are sounding out the word. Neelix (talk) 14:56, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Keep, phonetically similar so a plausible spelling mistake. Siuenti (talk) 10:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Screaming shits

• Screaming shits → Diarrhea (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

WP:RFD#DELETE #8 and an unlikely search term. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete: unlikely search term, and fairly new one. I am a bot worried withs stats though. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:20, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete: This does have an entry in both The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional and A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English, but I don't think the term is used often enough to warrant a redirect. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 08:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete - I really doubt some serious public will search for this using this term. --Lumi (talk) 10:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
• delete per above but plus points for giving me a laugh though.--Lenticel ^(talk) 01:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
• delete this doesn't seem to be a commonly used term and seems to be an unnecessary use of profanity on WP's part keeping it around. In short, it doesn't have WP:IMPORTANCE. Mathmitch7 (talk) 13:18, 10 June 2014 (UTC)