Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 21

March 21

Template:Infobox London Tramlink route

Template:Infobox London Tramlink route (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Commenters in the previous TfD asked for this to be made a wrapper. I have now done that, and Subst: each of the only five transclusions, with no loss of content. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete, obviously redundant to {{Infobox tram line}}. Alakzi (talk) 23:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
• Keep Who are the people in the previous TfD that asked for this to be made a wrapper? I see only one: PC-XT (talk · contribs) said "Keep in case someone wants to wrap it". Where was it suggested that replacing it with {{infobox bus line}} was a desirable action? Trams are not buses. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

  The use of {{Infobox tram line}} was suggested by Secondarywaltz. That template redirects to {{Infobox bus line}} (for the obvious reason that the parameters for both are the same. You have also missed another commenter, Fritjes, who wrote "I could see rewriting it as a frontend for something then reconsidering". In what way do you think keeping this unused, unnecessary and redundant template benefits the project? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

  Secondarywaltz did mention {{Infobox tram line}} but it is not at all clear whether they intended that it be merged/replaced/wrapped to that or not. Frietjes suggested a rewrite "as a frontend for something", but did not say that this template should become a wrapper for {{Infobox tram line}} - or any other specific template.

  I'd also like to bring up a point of order: you claim "unused", but it's only unused because you pre-empted the outcome of the TfD by substing every use before filing the TfD. This is an abuse of process. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:RXNO cat

Template:RXNO cat (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is just a replacement for text that is placed on a number of categories stating that the categories are part of a classification scheme from elsewhere. Beyond the fact that it's just text, I'm not sure why it's important to mention where the classification scheme came from: either it's a relevant classification scheme here or it's not. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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Template:AZBilliards

Template:AZBilliards (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Citation template used at one article. As it states, all it does is provide the publisher, location, and work parameters within cite web. I also get some warnings when I try to access the website which I'm not certain constitutes a reliable source. Ricky81682 (talk) 23:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

• delete after replacement. Frietjes (talk) 00:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
• Keep, and if it were deleted or userspaced there should be no prejudice against later re-deployment. This is a routine single-source citation template, intended to be used more broadly, of course, but WP:CUE has few active editors, so that might not be for some time. It does no harm as a template, but isn't seeing much use yet. This one in particular could see immediate broader use, replacing and consistently formatting other citations to this source, and there are many of them, especially in pool (pocket billiards) player bio articles. And, yes, the source is known to be reliable; it's one of the top four editorially controlled pool and billiards publications in the US, along with Billiards Digest, Inside Pool, and Pool & Billiard Magazine. The fact that it's online instead of on dead trees doesn't magically make it unreliable. (All of the other three also have online editions, BTW.) Questions of source reliability are a WT:RS matter, not a TfD matter. The URLs in the template, as with any template referring to an external online source, need to be checked regularly and, if necessary, updated to compensate for changes at the target site. That's a template maintenance issue for the template's talk page, not a TfD matter.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  03:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Template:WWW-MV

Template:WWW-MV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template's intended use was for references imported from German wikipedia with the parameters not changed into English. It's used on a single page. Parameters should be converted to the English ones and the template deleted. Ricky81682 (talk) 08:26, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

• Keep and convert to a wrapper for the English equivalent, as is standard practice. This is a major biographical source and the template will be useful as we translate more and more articles from German Wikipedia. There are now over 20 links and I am importing more from de.wiki. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I see Category:Citation Style 1 templates using German translations but I don't understand its purpose. Shouldn't we be moving those templates into the current Citation style 1 templates? I don't think the goal should be to keep templates in other languages here as it just adds complexity for no reason. I mean, I'd understand a clean-up project where templates like these are kept but with some back-end warning that they need to be merged/converted to the English ones but just having templates in another language seems unneeded. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Normally there's an English Wiki equivalent for such templates, so what happens is we create a wrapper i.e. the German language template is modified to a) translate commonly used data and b) point the German parameters at their English ones in the English template (the English template may have to be modified to accept extra parameters, but that's fine). The result is that the template looks like the English one even though its parameters are in German. The next step is someone creates a bot that substitutes the wrapper template in the article with the English template. A good example is Infobox Berg where I can import the German template, it instantly translates into English and displays like the English Infobox Mountain and then within minutes a bot substitutes it for the English version. Very neat!

In this case there is no English equivalent, so we'd have to create it first, then turn this template into a wrapper and then get a bot to substitute it. I could do the first, I'm less expert at wrappers and have no experience of writing bots. Help! --Bermicourt (talk) 09:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Template:FN and Template:FNZ

Template:FN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:FNZ (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These two were imported from German Wikipedia (see de:Vorlage:FN and de:Vorlage:FNZ) and are redundant to {{ref}} and {{note}}, as demonstrated here. Alakzi (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Questions:

1. {{ref}} and {{note}} appear to be deprecated, so are they the right replacements?

2. Why would deletion be better than the normal wrapper solution for these templates? --Bermicourt (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I would've personally used {{efn}} and {{notelist}}, but {{ref}} and {{note}} were the most alike in functionality. I don't know if it would be better. Alakzi (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

• Comment Template:Fnote3 is deprecated but still in use with almost 20k uses of {{ref}}. But {{FN}} is Template:Fnote1 which I went through and updated to Footnotes a few years ago. --  Gadget850 ^talk 23:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
• Löschen and update to Footnotes. Closer: Ping me and I will update. I still have my AWB regexes for this. --  Gadget850 ^talk 23:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • What should be used? Grouped <ref>s? Alakzi (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
    • See my update to Thuringia using {{efn}}/{{notelist}}. See {{efn}} if you are not familiar with it. --  Gadget850 ^talk 11:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
      • I am, but this usage is not documented at Help:Footnotes. Scratch that, I see it now. Alakzi (talk) 12:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
• Keep, but change to be a wrapper of the most relevant templates, to avoid manual conversion when translating articles. That is standard practice. If need be a bot can come along afterwards and replace them as with Template:Infobox mountain for example. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

These templates have been around for two years and are uses on only 32 pages. As demonstrated at Thuringia, updating to the current system is not an onerous task. If needed, I can do a help page. --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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Template:Upcoming Sports

Template:Upcoming Sports (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Other than replacing "future" with "upcoming", its functionality looks basically the same as Template:Future sport, which was deprecated and deleted per the result of Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Deprecating "Future" templates. Also, posting a tag stating that information may change rapidly "as time progresses" really had no informational consequence, since as basically stated on Wikipedia:General disclaimer the content of any article can be recently "changed, vandalized or altered". Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• Speedy delete DB-REPOST -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Amrita Keerti Puraskar

Template:Amrita Keerti Puraskar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Orphaned template. Ricky81682 (talk) 06:15, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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• We've not even got an article on this award, so delete per WP:NAVBOX. Alakzi (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2015 (UTC)