| blurb = At least eight people are killed in a '''[[2015 Kuwait City bombing|bomibng]]''' in Kuwait.
| blurb = At least eight people are killed in a '''[[2015 Kuwait City bombing|bombing]]''' in Kuwait.
| recent deaths = no
| recent deaths = no
| sources = [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/deadly-blast-hits-kuwait-mosque-friday-prayers-150626103633735.html Al Jazeera]
| sources = [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/deadly-blast-hits-kuwait-mosque-friday-prayers-150626103633735.html Al Jazeera]
| updated = no
| updated = yes
| nominator = [[Special:Contributions/120.62.27.54|120.62.27.54]] ([[User talk:120.62.27.54|talk]]) 12:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nominator = [[Special:Contributions/120.62.27.54|120.62.27.54]] ([[User talk:120.62.27.54|talk]]) 12:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = Kuwaity26
| note = Can't create the article but worth keeping an eye on.<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| note = Can't create the article but worth keeping an eye on.<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = A bombing in Kuwait is even more rare than a shooting in the usa or europe.
| nom cmt = A bombing in Kuwait is even more rare than a shooting in the usa or europe.
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Two hotels in Sousse, Tunisia came under attack from an unknown number of gunmen; at least 37 people have been killed and 36 injured. (Sky News), (BBC), (USA Today)
Islamic State kills 146 civilians in Kobanî, the second largest massacre since the start of conflict when the extremist group executed 700 members of the al-Sheitaat tribe in eastern Syria. (IBT), (VOA NEWS)
Nominated by [[User:120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)|120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)|talk]] ·[{{fullurl:User talk:120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5B2015+Imperial+Marhaba+attack%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=2015+Imperial+Marhaba+attack&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: The wider region maybe viewed as chronically unstable, but specifically to the country not so much. Yes there was a museum attack a few months ago but that's all the more reason for shit going down there and neither is as regular as Syria/Libya. Likely foreign deaths too 120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by [[User:98.248.181.22 (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)|98.248.181.22 (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:98.248.181.22 (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)|talk]] ·[{{fullurl:User talk:98.248.181.22 (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BBristol+Palin%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Bristol+Palin&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]
Nominator's comments: It's a top/trending story in Google News and has gotten a lot of media attention.
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Weak Support (with article improvements) but suggest DYK backup While it is science news, backed by a peer-reviewed paper in science, this feels like it would have much better fit with DKY as a new article. Regardless, the article needs sourcing improvements for front page inclusion if only just to spread out the existing refers a bit more. --MASEM (t) 01:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Nature article (which the news site is report) was published online on June 24. That might mean this could be mis-categorized by date, but it is definitely not too old. --MASEM (t) 03:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The source doesn't have "June" in it either. Without confirming date of discovery, I still don't see a reason to switch my vote. George Ho (talk) 03:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Reasonably significant scientific discovery. Regarding age - unless I'm misunderstanding what's being said, if we judged science articles based on the time of actual first discovery vs time of publication in mainstream press, we'd never post anything science. If you have dated articles showing this was actually ITN 2 years ago, by all means bring that out, otherwise that sounds purely speculative. - OldManNeptune⚓03:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They may have been collecting the fossils, but for scientific discoveries, we put weight on the publication of a peer-reviewed paper that (reasonably) affirms their findings, and that was just published a few days ago. --MASEM (t) 06:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Interestingly, it looks like one of the original authors has put his illustrations up on Commons - someone who knows the OTRS system should get in touch and verify the uploads so we can use this picture. Smurrayinchester09:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Impactful topic; the article has sourcing and writing issues. Lots of quotes and very little improvement; no, updates do not count. George Ho (talk) 21:20, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I did argue about how US-centric the domestic issues have been, but rules and other people disregard my arguments as unhelpful. Same for you, no offense. George Ho (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposing this because this is a US issue or does not relate to other countries; I oppose because it is a domestic issue with little significance. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh... well, Canada has universal health care. I don't know which countries have universal health care, but not it all matters. I don't think there will be Supreme Court cases relating to a universal health care, right? George Ho (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As happy as this decision makes me, it doesn't change anything. This ruling upheld the new status quo. Obamacare is here forever, but most of us already knew that. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:01, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose It's really big news here in the states at the moment. However, the decision actually changes nothing and in fact is not even a ruling on constitutional law. By contrast, the gay marriage case will almost certainly merit an ITN blurb whichever way it goes. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agree that this is purely domestic politics, and strictly speaking, nothing changed. The upcoming same-sex marriage ruling will be much more ITN worthy. - OldManNeptune⚓03:57, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Just one prominent leading role in The Avengers. Well, he portrayed Watson in few Sherlock TV movies, and he even portrayed Sherlock Holmes once. However, nothing else made him as prominent as he appeared to be. --George Ho (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support He was a well known character actor in television and movies. But his professional resume is not exactly stunning. In the end though, a quick mention in RD is cheap. It's the ITN blurbs where we really need to hold the line in standards. Ad Orientem (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Fails RD notability criteria. Another sad loss, but these character actors are generally unlikely to make ITN unless they have some awards or a great deal of notoriety. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Another much-loved but largely un-lauded actor with an impressive resume. I can see why he was nominated, but sadly, he doesn't meet the ITN criteria. RIP Steed. Challenger l (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - The successor to Mother Teresa she was, but there is nothing remotely significant about her. I read the biography; either it needs expansion, or she's not significant enough. George Ho (talk) 03:18, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Roman Church has lots of religious orders. We don't usually pay attention to their superiors unless there is something that really sets them apart. I'm not seeing it here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The successor to a position held by someone that is known the world over does not in fact - make them notable in this circumstance. The position itself is not what was notable about her predecessor. Challenger l (talk) 05:05, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Tsarnev is sent to the US Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana, where 61 other inmates are awaiting their lethal injections. (NBC News)
China's customs officers seize more than 100,000 t (98,000 long tons; 110,000 short tons) of meat, many of which expired, some more than 40 years ago. (China Daily)(NPR)
The Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) capture the military base Brigade 93 and enter the town of Ayn Issa, the first defense line of ISIL north of its de facto capital al-Raqqah.
ISIL claims it has started the destruction of the ancient complex of Palmyra. (euronews)
The deputy speaker of the Greek parliament, Alexis Mitropoulos, warns that the body may reject concessions the government had made to the country's creditors. (Reuters)
Speedy close without prejudice to renomination if anyone wants to write an article and a blurb, both of which are currently lacking. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Long-career television actor, albeit one without any significant awards. RD only for sure, if to be posted. MASEM (t) 15:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality only. Article is of minimal length, but has major referencing problems. Much of the "personal life" section (the one that is MOST in need of cites for BLP reasons) is uncited. If this is fixed, he is certainly well known enough for an RD slot. But we can't post an article in this state on the main page. --Jayron3215:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD. Nothing in WP:ITND requires the subject of an RD notice to have been at the top of their field or a celebrity giant. Mr. Van Patten was a well known actor who more than meets the requirements. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
While we don't require "top of the field", the relevant criteria here is "very important" to their field(DC2). That needs to be demonstrated. 331dot (talk) 20:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Well acquainted, but he had just three major roles, especially one in Eight Is Enough. Too bad copies of two shows may have been wiped out, and another is on DVD but no longer on TV syndication. He did make guest appearances in notable shows, though his guest roles don't make him prominent enough. George Ho (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A well-known actor, much-loved, but not very well-lauded. The article has some issues - but that aside, I am ambivalent about his meeting the RD criteria. Challenger l (talk) 05:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I pretty much feel like Challenger does. I would have expected this to get more support than it has, but it's probably good (and correct) that it hasn't. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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At least 20 people are killed after a female suicide bomber attacks a fish market in Nigeria's north-eastern city of Maiduguri. The militant Islamist group Boko Haram is suspected to be behind the attack. (BBC)
The number of deaths from MERS in South Korea rises to 27 with three new cases reported. The government is taking unprecedented precautions in terms of public sanitation and quarantine.(Yonhap)
Walmart, the largest store in the United States, announces that it will withdraw all merchandise featuring the Confederate flag from sale at its stores and online. (CNN)
[Closed] Pitcairn Islands allows same-sex marriage
UNILATERALLY OPPOSED:
A non-administrative closure, but I'm going to close this before there will be similar votes with similar comments. If you want to vote "support", which I might miss out, feel free to undo the closure. --George Ho (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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What a strange island, every ex tween girl in the colony was raped by the mayor and half the island cause that's de facto legal till 16 years ago but mere gay marriage wasn't. Now it's reversed but they might be too small to have gays. Also, the perps got slaps on the wrist. 205.197.242.150 (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (Particularly in light that SCOTUS is due to issue their ruling on SSM in the US, which will have a significant image if it is allowed.) --MASEM (t) 22:33, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: No question on RD, I believe, but I would offer the blurb as this was the unusual death of a multi-award winning composer. MASEM (t) 03:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD with improvements: I was just coming here to nominate the article. Needs a bit of sourcing work but notability is clear. As per my usual philosophy on this sort of thing, I don't think a blurb is necessary or advisable. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I'm satisfied with the article now. It's not the best biography page, but it is in postable condition and should go up ASAP per Medeis and Masem. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:06, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest waiting for now. Most reliable sources are currently hedging their bets as to whether or not Horner was the pilot - even though he almost certainly was, we should follow their lead here. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
His personal assistant confirmed his death. (The initial reports knew it was his plane and he was unaccounted for, but they've affirmed his body). --MASEM (t) 05:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
She would have been aware he was going piloting that afternoon in his plane, and his plane crashed with one body discovered (of which even without morgue analysis, they could have estimated age and gender), and she had not been able to contact him after the fact. Now, one could imagine a scenario in which this was all faked or staged, but that's a huge amount of speculation particularly given Horner's background. Given every other major source assumes he has died, that's sufficient confirmation for us. If it does turn out to be a hoax, that's a whole other story that might be ITN. --MASEM (t) 18:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can recall any number of times that deaths, which were already known, were nonetheless fought until there was official confirmation. Looks like that BLP bright line is being eroded in recent times. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 19:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Kommentar The article is better shape than when I posted this nom (there were some CNs floating around) which seem to be fixed. It could use a bit more polish but where things are unsourced are far less contentious claims than not. --MASEM (t) 04:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, but not blurb. He's well known in film music and his death was unexpected. I don't think he rises to the level of importance that is required for a blurb. Isa (talk) 05:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb I didn't recognize the name immediately (in fact I did a double take at first thinking it was Jack Horner), but after looking at his works, it seems the oversight is mine and he is indeed more than sufficiently notable, and the manner of death is a strong qualifier for a blurb. - OldManNeptune⚓05:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Marking ready, which it is. Admin can decide where for now, but a look at the RfC shows that people who'd have gotten blurbs before RD existed should still sometimes get blurbs. This guy did everything from Alien and CBS news to Star Trek and the Obama Inauguration, to Titanic and Avatar. μηδείς (talk) 05:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What he worked on was (usually) notable, but I don't think it makes him rise to the level of a blurb. A lot of people worked on those films. Also, can you try keeping your support vote in one place instead of duplicating it? It could create confusion. Isa (talk) 06:52, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you need to review this list of accolades] including two Oscar wins for "Titanic". Sorry, but I don't buy your argument one bit, and I suggest that the admin sitting in judgement discount it as having little to no weight. James Horner just died in a tragic plane crash, it's on the news all over the world, and you don't think that deserves a blurb on ITN? Sheesh. And to TRM below, of course he isn't Thatcher or Mandella. He gets a blurb because he died in a ghastly accident. That's WP:DUE. Jusdafax07:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD only not Mandela, Thatcher etc etc, not even top story on BBC World, and that image looks suspiciously like a copyright violation... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:04, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's a valid question. Your peevish response is uncalled for, in my view, and if you are, as an admin, using the term "lawyer around it" then I'll observe that your posting, then unposting are arguably disruptive, and a pretty clear violation of WP:POINT, by an admin, who is supposed to know better. Jusdafax07:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I asked a question. I am now being mischaracterized by an administrator of the encyclopedia as "got what I wanted" which is, frankly, abusive since that was not at all what I said. Now it's a threat to take me to ANI. Wow. Something is seriously broken here, as I see it. Jusdafax08:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have posted numerous items to ITN that I have supported. It has generally been accepted that admins are capable of determining if a clear consensus exists, even if they have participated, as I did in this case. If you have any further reason to discuss this, please take it elsewhere so as not to derail this ongoing ITN discussion. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD only - A mere name mentioning is enough for folks to click on. We've already posted Christopher Lee's obituary, so let's not post Horner's obituary blurb. --George Ho (talk) 07:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD only The importance of this person and the media coverage of his death are light years far from many others who have been given blurbs in the past but also some who have not because of the argument that blurbs are deserved only for extremely popular persons who have changed the world. I really do not think that we should regress so low to post this, as there has been at least a dozen of deaths of more popular persons in the last couple of weeks.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to comment that if Horner died from natural causes, I'd fully oppose a blurb; the reason I suggested it is that the death is unusual - 61 is not young and he was still composing, and he died while piloting his own plane. This would be equivalent to why we posted Robin Williams - the death came out of nowhere, not so much the reputation (as was arguably the case with Christopher Lee). --MASEM (t) 13:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I should note that the purpose of a blurb is to report facts of newsworthiness not to recognize importance as distinct from RD. The reason why one death should get a blurb and another get an RD link is whether or not we have more to say than "So and so died". If the news only reports the death itself, then it's RD candidate. If the news is covering other aspects of the death, as either newsworthy memorial services and tributes and retrospectives (the so called "Thatcher-Mandela standard") OR the news is covering the death itself as particularly newsworthy and noteworthy (the so-called "Robin Williams standard"), then blurbs are appropriate. I'd posit that we've screwed up two recent postings in either direction recently. For Christopher Lee's death, there wasn't anything more to say than "he died". Should have been an RD not a blurb. For this death here, the manner of death was unusual, unexpected, and the most important part of the story, so we SHOULD have posted this one as a blurbs. Blurbs are not reserved for those we think are important people. They are reserved for when we have something more to say about a death than merely "they died". For Lee's death, we didn't. For this death, we did. --Jayron3216:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We have yet to receive official confirmation. We have Variety's confirmation, but that's about it. If you believe that he is still alive, ask to pull his name out. George Ho (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
His agents are now confirming it was him in the plane: [7] These plane crashes, the remains often aren't exactly open-casket-ready. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb RD is fine. ITN is not an obituary service and only true giants in a given field get a death blurb. All kinds of notable people die daily and get notice in the press. This is what RD is for. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
4 Titanic $2,516,000,000 in 1997 (+ 343 million in 2012)
Gone with the Wind was just a different time, there was no TV, people used movie theaters to watch the news. They went every week I think. Today it'd be G or PG and didn't have naked breasts so kids, cons, and married men could watch. It's probably been re-released many times. Is that included?
Star Wars came out before cable and home video. It's been re-released too, is that included? It was a new level of special effects I think and along with Jaws started the blockbuster era. I think it's still PG, no nudity so kids who liked space could view.
Titanic however gained it's billions almost entirely from just like young females seeing it a hundred times just to cry when Jack dies and the music was a big part of that. James Horner also apparently wrote the music for Avatar, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Deep Impact, Zorro, Spiderman (2012), Jumanji, Casper, Star Trek 2 and 3 and a lot of other things like A Beautiful Mind. He's very prolific. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Post posting-as-RD) Support RD only. Normally I wouldn't bother commenting with hindsight but since the is a contingent here that feel it worth arguing still. I do not accept appeals to authority or any assertion of notability by association. If he was associated with a spectacularly successful film when argued on one basis then so what? If this was Ennio Morricone then yes I'd support a blurb subject to the article being at least halfway decent - he has been repeatedly noted for his skill as a composer even outside the field of film composition. I haven't seen the same for Horner. 3142 (talk) 07:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've only seen part of one spaghetti western on TV but yes that is some good composing. You can't argue with Ennio beating him on innovation (when I found out he's only partly original I always checked if I heard a whiff of reused Apollo 13 or Titanic) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Wait (I do know I saw this pass by on a newsfeed I watch). Like the previous India heat wave story, let's make sure this is a significant event; 140 ppl in a country as large as Pakistan is not a significant number but it gets to 1000 or more, then we should be talking inclusion. It may take a day or two for that to be determined. --MASEM (t) 14:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Masem. Severe weather with an attendant loss of life is pretty much going on all the time some where in the world. We need to have a high bar for these kinds of stories or ITN risks becoming a ticker service for the Weather Channel. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support we waited far too long on the Indian heatwave which went on to kill thousands, this has killed hundreds already, it's a natural disaster. As long as the article is updated properly, it should be posted. Proportions are irrevelant, frequency is irrelevant (or else why would we continually post gun crimes in the United States?) The Rambling Man (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It is a significant event which has the potential of turning into a bigger problem with a possibility of getting international attention. Why wait till that happen? Moreover, the coverage it got makes it a significant issue. —TripWiretalk18:52, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Article is small, but heat wave in an overpopulated sovereign state is very serious. Regardless of death toll, the country should be prepared for the hot summer, which has started. Pinging Masem & Ad Orientem. --George Ho (talk) 01:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Articles: <span class="anchor" id="2015 Kabul Parliament attack"><span class="anchor" id="RD: 2015 Kabul Parliament attack">[[2015 Kabul Parliament attack]] ([[Talk:2015 Kabul Parliament attack|talk]] · [{{fullurl:2015 Kabul Parliament attack|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl:Talk:2015 Kabul Parliament attack|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/note&preloadtitle=In+the+news+nomination§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=%3Cs%3E2015+Kabul+Parliament+attack%3C%2Fs%3E}} tag]) and War in Afghanistan (2015–present) (talk·history·tag) Blurb: In the ongoing war in Afghanistan, the Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament. (Post) Alternative blurb: The Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament, injuring 40 civilians. Alternative blurb II: The Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament, amid the 2015 phase of the war in Afghanistan Alternative blurb III: The Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament, killing a mother and a child and injuring forty civilians. News source(s):ReutersGuardianCNNBBC Credits:
Support as nominator - for me, this is on the front page of Reuters.com, CNN.com, and theguardian.com. This attack appears to have involved a car laden with explosives that went though multiple security checkpoints, raising questions as to the capacity of the security forces to fight the Taliban. NATO forces continue to maintain an advisory and counter-terrorism capacity in Afghanistan in 2015 and this attack raises legitimate questions for NATO powers as to the efficacy of their counter-insurgency strategy, that has arguably been ongoing since 2001. Given media attention to ISIL's invasion of Iraq after US withdrawal, this may have similar prominence in the media for NATO countries. -- Aronzak (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Any significant attack on a parliament is major news, even in an unstable country such as Afghanistan. The article is short for now, but well referenced. Fgf10 (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle – per Aronzak, but perhaps wait a bit 'til dust settles? (AP now sez two dead – in addition to the seven Taliban killed – and 31 wounded.) Sca (talk) 12:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Notable story of course, and of interest worldwide, but the article is super thin at present, and I've rated it as a stub. Jusdafax15:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Even when the news hasn't developed much, even when the target wasn't yet touched, and even when the article appears not big enough, the attack at an unstable country's parliament is a kicker... Well, not surprising, but innocents were hurt. That's all that matters. George Ho (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to weak oppose. Now that the article has been merged, I realize that, as part of the continuous War, it's not much of a big event as... say, Charleston church shooting. Maybe we can keep either Afghan War phase up to date. --George Ho (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Dead people in Afghanistan isn't news. I'm not saying that it is right, but it is reality. The parliament shot of the dust flying down was a five second clip even on "serious" Western televised coverage. More to the the point, I really don't like the article - the background section is the best developed there, and it is more a potted history of Afghanistan than a discussion of the subject of the article. 3142 (talk) 07:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As a comment on this - most of the violence has been in regional areas where the army is stretched - One Reuters report described this as a "spectacular attack" on the capital. -- Aronzak (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, because the information is surrounded by more information, and may be more likely to be improved further. But thanks for the ping, Jusdafax10:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't have an RS for this, but Eagle Four is a NATO funded TV show to increase enlistment in the Afghan police force and boost police morale - I don't have an RS for this, but personally, Afghan media reports that a single Afghan staff sergeant killed all six terrorists seems like it is intended to boost morale. -- Aronzak (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(ec and updated my comment) Yeah it's going stale. I still say the event itself is a bit of a watershed moment. Three paragraphs now, eh? Well. Jusdafax13:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly not a watershed moment as it's not in any major news outlets any longer, it was a damp squib, and it wasn't and never will be suitable for ITN. It was an epic fail, all round. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In the grand scheme of things this does not look like it was all that big of an event. I doubt it will rate more than a footnote in the sad history of this country's civil war. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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A Palestinian teenager is in police custody after he stabbed a policeman who was administrating Jerusalem's Damascus Gate border in the neck, critically injuring the policeman. The policeman then shot and injured the teenager and collapsed. (YNet)
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Prime Minister of Greece Alexis Tsipras makes a new offer for reforms which could signal a late deal in the country's debt talks. (ITV News)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The Guardian describes him as "the leading proponent of the Third Stream movement fusing jazz and classical music." NPR calls him "Extraordinarily active and influential as a composer, conductor and educator." He won a Pulitzer and a MacArthur genius grant. This seems to indicate he was important in his field. Everymorningtalk13:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Article could use some more sourcing, cleanup and organizational work (currently, Schuller's bio is all clumped into one section). SpencerT♦C13:58, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - A notable life. I have broken up the large text block with subheadings. This article gives a fair number of sources, and overall could use a bit more work, but it's pretty close to postable for RD. Jusdafax16:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose this won't bump anyone off the ticker, so no real problem if it goes up. But this is a very niche genre, Schuller himself coined the term third wave but it doesn't seem to have had any major effect on the culture outside the world of critics. μηδείς (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Understanding Medeis' comments about the "niche genre", I think he's done enough to merit inclusion here, especially as noted by those prestigious awards. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:04, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support conditional on article improvements. I think the claim to ITND is borderline, but it's been kinda slow in the news department lately, so what the Aytch E double hockey sticks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Article has been improved and should be good to go. Schuller was clearly notable in the field of jazz and classical music and was very highly regarded as a composer, as evidenced by a series of high-profile awards and honors as recently as this year. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: The Simon Špilak article is very short, but the target article 2015 Tour de Suisse is a monster and in my opinion well-written. This race is a UCI World Tour race, one of the most prestigious race on the cycling calendar. It finished on 21 June, so I completed the article on the same day. Very recent news. Mattsnow81(Talk)19:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on the article which is indeed a great piece of work. And we're still about a month away from the Tour de France finish, which is ITNR. --Tone22:16, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support While not quite at the importance of the Tour de France, the high quality of this article pushes me toward supporting its inclusion. SpencerT♦C03:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Great article, looks to be GA oder FA-worthy, but I think the Tour de Suisse simply isn't significant enough for ITN. We rarely post all three of the Grand Tours (I don't think the Giro was even nominated this year), and individual races/tournaments generally aren't posted in sports with similar "tour" formats (e.g. Formula One, golf). IgnorantArmies(talk)09:28, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Several people are doing excellent work on the cycling articles, pretty much every race of this season has GA quality. Other projects could really take a leaf out of their book! So it is with greatest regret that I still have to say that the Tour de Suisse is not noteworthy enough to be included in ITN, especially considering that we are posting a lot of sports here. But to @Mattsnow81: and the other contributors, great work! I'd be honored to review the article for GA once you nominate it. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think the good quality of the article merits posting, while not the most important event, this does seem to have enough coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
While I can live with the reasons given for a lot of the oppose votes here, may I suggest that the fact another race was not submitted is not a reason to voice opposition to the Tour de Suisse nomination? Thanks for saying the article is good though Mattsnow81(Talk)17:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Echoing the sentiment that the article is quite comprehensive. Unfortunately, the race is not as prestigious as the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia or Vuelta - road cycling's equivalent top level events. Fuebaey (talk) 13:52, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I'm no cyclist but right now we haven't updated ITN for something like three days, and the majority of the opposition is based on "it's not Giro, it's not Vuelta", and I'm not sure where they all were when those items were up for discussion. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My thoughts too. I don't want to force the article down everybody's throats, but in my opinion its quality is very OK, the race is maybe the most coveted stage race besides the Tour, the Giro and the Vuelta. Mattsnow81(Talk)21:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are two big build up races to the Tour, the Tour de Suisse and the Dauphine. Unfortunately, 2015 Critérium du Dauphiné is not up to scratch, making it a double-feature might have made me a supporter. But as it stands, I still say it's not notable enough. Especially considering that the Tour de Suisse has lost even more notability over the past years, since most Tour favorites choose the Dauphine for their Tour preperations. Zwerg Nase (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Prestigious or not, cycling tournament in Switzerland is grand enough. Well... grander than NBA Finals, which is US-centric (but grand). In fact, it has cyclists from all participating nations, including the UK and Slovenia. --George Ho (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The NBA is the peak of world basketball, the Tour de Suisse is so prestigious that many top riders don't even enter, as evidenced by it being won by an unknown Slovenian who hasn't even placed in the top 100 of the Tour de France, and only once broken the top 50 of any other Grand Tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozzio (talk • contribs) 11:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Why was this marked ready? The Tour de Suisse barely ranks in the top 10 of world cycling events by any measure, having a standard like this would mean we should start posting the Paris Masters and the Monaco Grand Prix. The arguments for posting based on the lack of an update have now been rendered invalid. There are currently four sporting events on ITN. ¡Bozzio!11:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dozens of ISIL militants are killed following a militia attack on the eastern city of Derna. ISIL has had a significant presence in Derna since the end of 2014. (Yahoo)
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Nominator's comments: Important soccer/football tournament, showcases players who will probably be some of the best in the world in a few short years 23 editor (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks for the nomination; I will state that in my observations youth tournaments usually do not do well here, as they aren't the top level of the sport. I'm not sure that speculation that the players might be famous in the future makes this important enough to post; the tournament itself needs to be important and shown as such with news sources; which seem limited. 331dot (talk) 21:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying there is no coverage(otherwise there could be no article) but it isn't high up in news/sports pages or otherwise top level news, at least the ones I see. 331dot (talk) 22:07, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: at WP:FOOTY, players who play in professional leagues or senior international teams qualify for notability for articles. Playing at this tournament doesn't cut it. Just another event in the circle of 24/7 football coverage. '''tAD''' (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect tAD, but both the Serbian and Brazilian leagues are fully professional, and some players from both teams play their football in places like Belgium and Great Britain. Some of the Serbian players have even played for the senior team. This was no amateur tournament, and the final game saw a crowd of more than 25,000 people. As for 24/7 football coverage, it's not like this would be a news post about Luis Suarezbiting someone, now would it? If coverage is substantial (which it is) and if the players are notable (which they are) then I don't see what the problem is. 23 editor (talk) 02:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as a standard youth tournament. The nominator is pointing at coverage but I am yet to be persuaded that this football/soccer event meets the sporting bar at ITN, which is usually reserved for senior sporting competitions. That some players play professionally and could potentially be the "next Messi" (an overused term) isn't much of an argument to post this. Fuebaey (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: As the article notes, this has been described as the worst incident of its kind in over a decade (see for instance the AP link above), and the death toll is substantial. Everymorningtalk16:40, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support (with possible article improvements?) since this seems like there is a criminal intent here (5 people being arrested here). I would love to see more on this in terms of article length as this doesn't even pass the DYK 1500 char level. --MASEM (t) 18:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral right now. This seems commonplace in India, that tainted alcohol results in deaths. The article is not adequate, I'd be interested to see how this pans out. Alternatively, as Masem alludes to, if you bump up the character count, DYK will happily take it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral for now as well; I too would be interested to see what happens- though if pressed I would probably lean oppose. The BBC article states "Toxic alcohol deaths are a regular occurrence in India" so this doesn't seem that unusual an event. The same article lists three other similar large-scale events in recent years. 331dot (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment we did post the pombe poisoning which killed almost as many, but it should be clear the arrests are based on criminal negligence & unlicensed production of hooch. In the pombe case the woman who made the beer was one of the first to die. μηδείς (talk) 20:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Huge humanitarian crisis going on in South Sudan. And civil war as well. Please suggest more blurbs if you find one more appropriate to describe the entire situation. --BabbaQ (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose' Issuing criticism is nothing special - if instead it was some binding resolution or sanctions, that might be different. --MASEM (t) 18:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even a UN resolution; just a statement from a UN official. A Security Council resolution would me more notable. 331dot (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The European Central Bank increased the cap on cash available to Greek banks through emergency liquidity assistance, as those banks continue to experience steady withdrawals. Greek citizens have withdrawn over 3 billion Euros in the last month. (Reuters)
Hawaii becomes the first U.S. state to raise the smoking age from 18 to 21, effective January 1, 2016, and will also outlaw sales, purchases, or uses of electronic cigarettes for those under 21. (Reuters)
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Wait - This is a proposal, meaning they will take public comment to see if there are objections (eg, if anyone can provide evidence they still exist as opposed to the hypothesis that the species is completely wiped out). They will then issue a ruling, and that's when we should post. --MASEM (t) 21:26, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Masem, but when this is posted it will need to be stated in the blurb who is doing the declaring. The article lead makes it clear that at present different organisations/experts have differing opinions on the matter. Thryduulf (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment add altblurb. Last sighting was in 1938. This isn't the final ruling - it's open to public comment for 60 days (but of course news outlets won't bother reporting it then). I'm ambivalent on this -- Aronzak (talk) 01:54, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the animal is at most a subspecies, and although cougars have been spotted regularly in the East it has been claimed without proof that they are immigrants. The species itself is officially of "least concern" regarding extinction. The issue is fraught with politics, as the 90-day request for comment from the lay public (and our article) makes abundantly clear. μηδείς (talk) 02:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Arguably, as a video game fan, nothing much happened this year to attract major news coverage, unlike the previous year in which was the first E3 where the new consoles were on full display for the first time. Bunch of important sequels were announced for sure, but that's not going to be making it a ITN item. --MASEM (t) 20:51, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose posting the closing of the show, where it seems very little of importance happened. The opening is more important than the closing, I think. If the opening wasn't even nominated I would wonder if it should remain ITNR. 331dot (talk) 21:33, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITN/R. Not sure where the idea "the opening is more important" comes from, the announcements and demos are cumulative and the end of the expo is when no new material is coming out. With an attendance of over 50,000, and many more followers at home, and demos of real products hitting the market, it's easily as important is any soccer pageant which except for being "popular", has precisely zero value beyond being a vehicle for multi-million dollar advertising deals and corrupt officials who take bribes to administer them. The article isn't great, but I don't see it much worse than the current stickied "FIFA womens world cup" which is a handful of prose and some tables. Yes, this absolutely should remain on ITN/R. I would also support various auto shows, aircraft expos and farm implements fairs if it was demonstrated that these shows were widely attended and considered important in their fields. After all, there is more to life than film festivals and cricket. --36.75.112.225 (talk) 00:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is more to life than importance as well, at least here; news coverage is also relevant, and seems limited in this case. Perhaps important was a poor choice of word for me to use initially but I think the opening is more newsworthy as that's when most news coverage of such an event comes out. Readers would also be interested to know when such a supposedly important event would begin; telling then when it is over is much less helpful; closings are not always newsworthy on their own(an exception being the Olympics which have a large ceremony) Since you seem familiar with ITNR I would remind you that the page states "Listing here is not an automatic guarantee that an item will be posted". 331dot (talk) 00:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Don't know how big it was in Europe or the US, but sure was a top story in Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, Thailand and Vietnam. Other than the involved countries, the story has been covered by Reuters and top news sites in India, UAE, Singapore. Also found sources from the UK and Germany. 117.192.169.11 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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