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Claypool's instructions

Bink doesn't stay abreast with current news concerning Primus band(psychedelic viking music). His attitude lacks the ability to understand, at first sight. Blair3973 (talk) 00:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

There are two points of context you probably missed. The first one is that a new user told us that Claypool instructed his July 20 audience to come to Wikipedia and change the genre to something ridiculous.[1] The second point you probably don't know about is the subsequent sockpuppet investigation I started which resulted in three longstanding Claypool-connected accounts being blocked as sockpuppets: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dollallama/Archive. Between them the accounts had many years of good contribution records but they blew it on the issue of "funk metal" genre, and now they are all blocked because of Claypool's meddling. Note that Wikipedia is mainly based on WP:SECONDARY sources, which means that Claypool cannot dictate the genre of his music. So if you want to keep contributing to Wikipedia, don't try to implement Claypool's July 20 instructions. Binksternet (talk) 01:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Proxy

You have made wrong reverts, I didn't even knew that I was using a proxy. 216.177.129.53 was removing all edits of User:GorgeCustersSabre, I just inserted them back. Because you have rollback, can you revert your reverts of my edits back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.185.62 (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't have rollback, but I will look into this matter. Binksternet (talk) 12:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Recess (song)

Beatport is a music player. Is genre tag reliable? 115.164.89.9 (talk) 16:25, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

They are not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. I think their genre categorization should not be considered reliable. Binksternet (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

August 2015

Hello, I'm Rystheguy. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Marilyn Manson without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. The content you removed was properly referenced. Ry's the Guy ^{(talk|contribs)} 05:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Shot grouping

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Luke Bryan

You changed Luke Bryan back to Country music, but what about Florida Georgia Line? Their page says they are Bro-country. --98.183.184.171 (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Ghazlan-airplanes

I see you've just posted a warning on this user's talk page. This SPI may interest you: [2] AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Cover stub as advertizing?

Norland Wind

More importantly, this isn't PD stuff by our old friend "anon"; words Violet Jacob and the music Jim Reid - that's the meat of the subject, not the "background" ...and -the- canonical version of it is Cilla and Artie's. Anmccaff (talk) 07:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Appears to fail WP:NSONG so I nominated it for deletion. Binksternet (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Banshees

1) If a contributor doesn't strictly wp:STICKTOSOURCE, it is wp:OR. 2) Putting a source in the infoxbox is not necessary 3) This user is a blatant clone of Lachlan Foley. Carliertwo (talk) 21:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I withdraw the point 3. However, this didn't improve the article. Carliertwo (talk) 22:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The two of you ought to work together to expand the text rather than acting like it is a zero-sum game. Binksternet (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

5 Seconds of Summer (album)

Can you keep an eye once again. 115.164.209.205 (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

On it. Thanks for your dedication and perseverance, my Malaysian friend. Binksternet (talk) 23:31, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

NOW 50 deluxe

There's a reason there's a link to the Now 50 Deluxe Edition, leave it as is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.32.26 (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see your reason, and there's no source to support the track list. Out it goes. Binksternet (talk) 04:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Leave the deluxe edition track list alone. If you don't trust me then leave it alone! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.32.26 (talk) 18:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Please be respectful and explain why you decide to revert edits

Binksternet, I take objection to your edit note "Psychedelic Viking Music my ass." It is Wikipedia policy to treat editors with respect, something that you seem to feel like you're above. I posted on Funk Metal's talk page explaining the reasoning for my edits. The least you could do is explain why you performed your reversion like a civil human being. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BurritoSlayer (talk • contribs)

You might want to scroll up the page to Claypool's instructions where I inform another user that Claypool's meddling in Wikipedia has gotten people blocked. You're treading on thin ice trying to question sources such as the Australian magazine Hot Metal while you yourself are using as a source an audio recording of Claypool. Binksternet (talk) 19:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I noticed the controversy so I started doing some research. The question of Primus's musical genre has been hotly debated, and the most common characterization, by far, is that Primus is in its own musical genre. Many publications reference Primus as "funky" or "funk-influenced," but they are rarely characterized as simply "funk metal." I looked to see what sources the Funk Metal page had for including Primus, and each was flimsy. There were only two sources (which you simply re-added without checking) on the Funk Metal page that dealt with Primus: one was a broken AllMusic link, the other was a link to ram.org, the personal site of a computational biologist. I don't question the reliability of Hot Metal, I question using a second-hand version of that article from the personal site of a computational biologist.

As for the audio recording, first, in your own post on your talk page you acknowledge its authenticity. Indeed, it is even hosted on Wikimedia. Second, I did not add a category for "Psychedelic Viking Music." I simply added in the text of the article that Claypool himself considers it to be the thematic style of his band. Isn't an artist's opinion of his own music relevant to the "Musical style and influences" section of his band's page? BurritoSlayer (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

To continue, here's some articles that explain Primus's classification:

• Las Vegas Review Journal: "Genre-straddling"
• AV Club: "alt-rock culture as a funky, experimental antidote to the scourge of slackerdom"
• Daily Freeman: "alternative rock band"
• Times-Standard: "experimental-rock band"
• SoundSpike: "Experimental rock outfit"

There are plenty of other sources that show the same. 20:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

References

If Claypool had said his music was some kind of valid genre, or even a plausible hybrid genre, then it would be interesting to relay this to the readers. But "psychedelic viking" is a joke genre, not supposed to be taken seriously. If we were fleshing out how Claypool is quirky and humorous, then that might fit in the paragraph. Binksternet (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Primus's music is so out-there that "Psychedelic Viking Music" could be a plausible characterization of it. Just because it doesn't fit within standard taxonomies of music doesn't mean it's not a valid designation.

You also didn't respond to my other comments on how the Funk Metal article was poorly sourced, and how you did nothing to improve its sourcing while hastily reverting my edits. Do you have any justification for keeping the thin sourcing as is? BurritoSlayer (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I was busy adding sources. There are so many that it overwhelms, which is why I was immediately put off by your removal of "funk metal" from Primus and Primus from funk metal. Such a removal would never be considered by a person who was familiar with the literature.

I don't have anything constructive to say about the plausibility of "psychedelic viking music" as a genre. It's ridiculous; intentionally so. Binksternet (talk) 23:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Chicago 18

Got your message earlier...I only added the production credits and information from my Chicago 18 CD. I didn't think I'd done anything wrong, just only added important info..I apologize if I'd cause any interference... Joshuadejohnson (talk) 00:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I want to tell you that I reacted strongly because of all of the unreferenced production credits that have been added to music articles, the additions made by your Joshuadejohnson account and by IPs such as 108.239.234.87 from Merced and a whole bunch from Raleigh[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12] who are interested in the band Chicago and in Christian music by artists such as Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith, just like you are. I figured these IPs were you editing while logged out. That's why I placed a very strong warning on your page.

Regarding the credits you added, you must figure out how to add a reference, even something as simple as <ref>Credits as listed on the CD album booklet, 1994 Geffen catalog number GEFD-12345.</ref> All you need to do is to make sure that someone is able to go verify that the information has been published. Binksternet (talk) 01:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Joshuadejohnson, something that worries me are little edits such as this one where a name (or two) is added to a song credit. Can you tell me how somebody copying down the CD booklet credits would fail to include these names on the first go? If all the credits came straight from the CD booklet then it would be easy to get it right the first time. Binksternet (talk) 02:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Gilbert O'Sullivan

You said that you re-edited my changes on the Gilbert O'Sullivan page. Gilbert is IRISH, not british/english or anything else. Just ask the guy! He was born in Ireland and is IRISH. end of! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auric73 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Andrewbf Again?

Hello again! I suspect the return of Andrewbf - now IP 187.213.37.100, location Mexico. Major changes to house music pages, etc, similar pattern as before.

(Etheldavis (talk) 00:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC))

Yes, it's him. Binksternet (talk) 00:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, as always, Binksternet. I feel kind of sorry for him because, somehow, I think he means well - he just doesn't grasp the importance of reliable sources, consensus, etc, but his continual disruption is very wearing all the same.

(Etheldavis (talk) 01:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC))

Yes, I'm sympathetic as well, but language for him is a barrier to comprehending how much of a fine line it is for this or that genre to be applied to a song, album or artist. Yet he is determined to put his views into the encyclopedia, which is why he was blocked in the first place. Now that he is continually evading a block, he's beyond help. He would have to stop contributing in any form for six months and then try the WP:Standard offer to see how that goes. Binksternet (talk) 01:14, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Well, we'll probably see him again sometime, but thank you again for acting so promptly - as always.

(Etheldavis (talk) 01:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC))

Millbrae edit-- CAFL guy

Hi Binksternet, I edited the Millbrae page without any reliable sources because the information actually came from prior knowledge and personal experience; I know many people that live in Millbrae and call it that, and I have even seen a short performance by some American kids about it, making a fictional bank called the Bank of Millbrasia, in with the name written in both English and Chinese. So, therefore, I cannot provide any reliable sources. (Sorry to disappoint you, but you'll just have to believe me that a large percentage of Millbrae calls it that.) Thanks!! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAFL guy (talk • contribs) 08:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

(not Binksternet, but...) All the information in Wikipedia needs to be spurceable to reliable media (books, magazines, TV news, something).

Separately from that, As a lifelong SF Bay Area resident I don't think I have ever heard it called that. Sure it 's that common in town?...

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 08:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

George is right. All information on Wikipedia must be previously published in WP:Reliable sources. Even then, a very localized usage might not be appropriate because it gives WP:UNDUE weight to a minor or fringe viewpoint. These rules are strict policy. Binksternet (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Allenroyboy sock

Blocked him. Adding same text as added before. Doug Weller (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Sometimes this stuff is dead easy obvious. Binksternet (talk) 17:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Notable band?

Hi again, going through the usual uploads over at Commons and came across |this page. I don't know a lot about popular music, could you take a look? Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, the guy was trying to promote his non-notable band. I blanked his user page; we'll see what happens next. Binksternet (talk) 03:23, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Electronic music

The phonautograph did not use electricity. The phonograph did not (at first) use electricity. The telharmonium did not use electronics. The futurists, while they had knowledge of electric instruments like the telharmonium, had no idea about electronics. Luigi Russolo used acoustic instruments for his performances. The section is titled "origins" because it explores the factors that precede electronic music. Of course, the Denis d'or was a curio, but it is discussed in Electronic musical instrument, and most importantly one small imperfection is not a good reason to revert the entirety of someone's changes.

At first, I was surprised to see that the article was in such an unreadable, uninformative, and unfocused state. Now it makes more sense.

I was originally prepared to bring the article to featured quality, and make it understandable for people who haven't spent their entire lives in the industry like yourself. Unfortunately, I didn't forsee it would involve warring with people who prefer maintaining poor quality over imperfect improvement. So, in all honesty, you can have the article exactly the way you like it. I'm no longer interested. --Teggles (talk) 05:57, 22 August 2015 (UTC)