Talk:The American Dollar (band)

Ryulong, we are trying to edit the page, can you help us with this so the updates will not be deleted? We are the band themselves.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Americandollarband (talk • contribs)

The fact that you are the band means you should not be editing the page about you. Post something on your official website about your planned tour and then the people on Wikipedia can write about it. Wikipedia is not a free method for you to post news.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:04, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of interest / self promotion / notability

This page appears largely self-promotional (it's worth noting that the subjects of the page appear to have been editing it themselves) and I think it needs serious editing. I'm going to have a go at it myself, but have also added a COI flag to the top of the page in case anyone else feels like helping.

I think notability is also an issue here: the band have received relatively little press for their music, and appear notable solely for their habit of filing optimistic (possibly even vexatious) lawsuits against major music streaming companies. I'm going to add a section on those cases to more accurately reflect this. Smells like content (talk) 12:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Looks like the band have re-added all of the promotional language, so I've reverted their changes and flagged the page with other editors. If User:Americandollarband happens to see this: if you continue to re-add promotional content to this page, it'll be reported to the Conflict of Interest noticeboard, and you may end up blocked from editing it altogether. Smells like content (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

There now seems to be a sock User:Beachbum0809 adding back the promotional content.Theroadislong (talk) 21:37, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

A second likely sock puppet popped up from nowhere: Oldyeller123. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:54, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

User Cullen328, Theroadislong, and Smells Like Content appear to be the same person removing content and adding bias. 8 March 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldyeller123 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

You need to sign contributions to talk pages so we know who you are. I agree with User:Cullen328 and User:Theroadislong about the possibility of these being sock puppet accounts: they've only just been created, and haven't edited any other pages. In terms of accusations of myself, Cullen328 and Theroadislong being sockpuppets ourselves: we've all been editors for a long time, with entirely separate user profiles. It should be clear that we're different people. I also note that no substantive arguments are being made against the point that this page is heavily self-promotional, or that the band's editing of their own page violates conflict of interest. Is there a way to escalate this to more senior editors to ensure that we don't end up in an edit war, and to prevent ongoing sock-puppeting or vandalism? Smells like content (talk) 22:04, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I have no clue how to do that, but if you wish to make biased/inferior/incorrect edits, you should discuss them first on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldyeller123 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

You put four tildes after your name: details are available here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tips/How_to_sign_comments

In terms of the edits made to this page, I've outlined my reasons very clearly above in the talk page. I edited the article because it's been repeatedly edited by the band themselves (which goes against Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies) and the text contains numerous examples of un-encyclopaedic or self-promotional language. For example, the claim that "The band has achieved considerable success in mainstream culture both within the United States and internationally while working in traditionally eclectic genres" is both devoid of citations and arguably inaccurate: I think most people would understand "mainstream success" to refer to highly visible and internationally popular bands, of the level of (say) Radiohead. This is a band who've had a couple of albums out on small labels, self-released others and had a few tracks synced to TV. The only mainstream news coverage I could find refers to their ongoing lawsuits rather than their music. This kind of language reappears throughout the article, and merits being removed Smells like content (talk) 22:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

You need to explain the bias you see and propose edits that are not promotional and do not violate the neutral point of view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:45, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Wow, this page blew up after I reported the SPA. Could we revert to the last good edit from before the sockpuppets were blocked? That should be the starting point for any changes. (In the interest of full disclosure...yes, I am asking that the page be reverted to my last edit.) Chubbles (talk) 00:10, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Yep, agreed. I think that's where the page is at the moment (it's been temporarily protected), but it makes sense for your last pre-sockpuppet edit to be the starting point going forward. Given the band's approach so far, I assume they'll be back with another sockpuppet when the page becomes unprotected, so probably worth keeping an eye on things. Smells like content (talk) 09:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)